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Post by Lucy on Sept 3, 2009 10:37:52 GMT
Original air date - 20th March 2008
Detective Murdoch investigates the murder of Rod Grimsby, who was forced to drink varnish. What they also find at the crime scene is the man's son Harcourt Grimsby, a ventriloquist who does most of his talking through his puppet, Mycroft. The dead man was having an affair with his neighbor's wife so they have an obvious suspect, but Murdoch thinks the solution is far more complex. He is joined in his investigation by Arthur Conan Doyle, the creator of Sherlock Holmes, who has returned to Toronto with the intent of writing a new novel based on Murdoch's techniques. He also has another, far more personal reason for returning.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on May 2, 2013 23:43:13 GMT
Fav quote: Can't decide between “Yes, well, the entertainment industry isn’t exactly known for it’s originality, now is it?” (oh snap!) and "Hey Willie, watch this!" *spins head around* "Woo, woo, woo!" xD
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Post by snacky on Nov 24, 2014 9:26:00 GMT
I noticed a strange uncomfortable "mirror" for William. Harcourt's youth is similar to William's: his mother died young, his father was a drunkard. (And lets not forget William's stuffed bear named Bear!) William asks Harcourt why he stayed with his father if he was a vile drunkard. Harcourt replies that it's a son's duty to take care of his father. William flinches a bit. Because William not only failed to take care of his (drunken) father - he skipped out on his sister, too. Hardly the model of responsibility he is now.  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 24, 2014 9:46:45 GMT
An interesting prescient quote from Belly Speaker:
Doyle: Ah, if it's not the great detective, staring blankly into the face of death without skipping a beat.
William: Sir, I am not Sherlock Holmes.
Earlier, Arthur Conan Doyle suggests he will base his "next great detective" on William. Julia also refers to William as "the great detective Murdoch" at the end of Return of Sherlock Holmes.
So "the great detective" is Sherlock Holmes. Not sure what this means, but there it is.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 24, 2014 9:55:25 GMT
I noticed a strange uncomfortable "mirror" for William. Harcourt's youth is similar to William's: his mother died young, his father was a drunkard. (And lets not forget William's stuffed bear named Bear!) William asks Harcourt why he stayed with his father if he was a vile drunkard. Harcourt replies that it's a son's duty to take care of his father. William flinches a bit. Because William not only failed to take care of his (drunken) father - he skipped out on his sister, too. Hardly the model of responsibility he is now. I don't know that I'd fault William for failing to take care of his father-his father abandoned them after mom's death it sounds like. It also sounds like sister was taken care of in a convent school and later decided to take the vows herself. In other words, she wasn't exactly in the big, bad world on her own. I always thought she kinda abandoned him when she joined an order that broke off all contact. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 24, 2014 10:28:14 GMT
I noticed a strange uncomfortable "mirror" for William. Harcourt's youth is similar to William's: his mother died young, his father was a drunkard. (And lets not forget William's stuffed bear named Bear!) William asks Harcourt why he stayed with his father if he was a vile drunkard. Harcourt replies that it's a son's duty to take care of his father. William flinches a bit. Because William not only failed to take care of his (drunken) father - he skipped out on his sister, too. Hardly the model of responsibility he is now. I don't know that I'd fault William for failing to take care of his father-his father abandoned them after mom's death it sounds like. It also sounds like sister was taken care of in a convent school and later decided to take the vows herself. In other words, she wasn't exactly in the big, bad world on her own. I always thought she kinda abandoned him when she joined an order that broke off all contact. I'm not faulting William since I don't know what happened. I'm just thinking he flinched - so in that particularly episode YB was acting guilty about it. So at the minute I'm registering William as feeling guilty about taking off in my "head canon". But since what happened remains to be seen and there are some missing years in here, I'm feeling open and flexible about it. Of course I also like angsty/guilty William!  I get a weird feeling this ep cut out a lot of shippiness. (It was the American syndication) |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 24, 2014 18:43:25 GMT
I don't know that I'd fault William for failing to take care of his father-his father abandoned them after mom's death it sounds like. It also sounds like sister was taken care of in a convent school and later decided to take the vows herself. In other words, she wasn't exactly in the big, bad world on her own. I always thought she kinda abandoned him when she joined an order that broke off all contact. I'm not faulting William since I don't know what happened. I'm just thinking he flinched - so in that particularly episode YB was acting guilty about it. So at the minute I'm registering William as feeling guilty about taking off in my "head canon". But since what happened remains to be seen and there are some missing years in here, I'm feeling open and flexible about it. Of course I also like angsty/guilty William! I get a weird feeling this ep cut out a lot of shippiness. (It was the American syndication) I don't think we can fault William for abandoning his father, he was only 8 years old when his mother died. It was more like their father abondoned them as he decended further into a drunken stupor so they were taken away. When William was old enough to take care of his father he'd lost contact with him. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 24, 2014 22:24:51 GMT
Of course I also like angsty/guilty William! was more like their father abondoned them Maybe he was flinching over abandoning Susannah then - she laid a huge guilt trip on him in Voices. But YB eould have to get that from the books or the show bible since this was season 1. |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 24, 2014 22:35:21 GMT
was more like their father abondoned them Maybe he was flinching over abandoning Susannah then - she laid a huge guilt trip on him in Voices. But YB eould have to get that from the books or the show bible since this was season 1. He hardly abandoned Susannah either given she chose to be a nun. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2014 0:29:28 GMT
Maybe he was flinching over abandoning Susannah then - she laid a huge guilt trip on him in Voices. He hardly abandoned Susannah she chose to be a nun. Susannah made it seem like she made this choice after or even as a result of William leaving. William seemed to be buying the guilt trip, too. It made me wonder if he actually fled school for some reason. |
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Post by ziggy on Dec 5, 2014 19:21:44 GMT
I liked this episode a lot. The puppet was so noisy and annoying, he got on everybody’s nerves. He sure had an attitude, especially with Doyle, calling him a walrus and getting under his skin. He made me laugh.
I knew the guy was the killer from the moment they found him in the closet but I thought something was amiss with the eyes. They were different from the child’s in the photo but I didn’t know the child was dead. Something didn’t fit until the birth certificates indicated there were two babies. It all made sense then. A complicated and weird episode but I liked it.
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Post by Hodge on Dec 5, 2014 21:07:48 GMT
I liked this episode a lot. The puppet was so noisy and annoying, he got on everybody’s nerves. He sure had an attitude, especially with Doyle, calling him a walrus and getting under his skin. He made me laugh. I knew the guy was the killer from the moment they found him in the closet but I thought something was amiss with the eyes. They were different from the child’s in the photo but I didn’t know the child was dead. Something didn’t fit until the birth certificates indicated there were two babies. It all made sense then. A complicated and weird episode but I liked it. I saw from the start that the eyes were opposite, couldn't believe that William didn't, not like him to miss the small details. |
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Post by ziggy on Dec 6, 2014 1:40:42 GMT
I liked this episode a lot. The puppet was so noisy and annoying, he got on everybody’s nerves, lol. He sure had an attitude, especially with Doyle, calling him a walrus and getting under his skin. He made me laugh. I knew the guy was the killer from the moment they found him in the closet but I thought something was amiss with the eyes. They were different from the child’s in the photo but I didn’t know that child was dead. Something didn’t fit until the birth certificates indicated there were two babies. It all made sense then. A complicated and weird episode but I liked it. I saw from the start that the eyes were opposite, couldn't believe that William didn't, not like him to miss the small details. Yeah, he didn’t figure it out until after he let the guy go. I guess he missed it for our benefit . And I think Doyle had a lot to do with distracting him too. However, I didn’t think Mycroft would go on and kill again, especially after he got rid of the puppet. His issue was with his family and now they were all dead. Hopefully, he will be at peace with himself until the constab got hold of him. I wonder why it took him so long to think of killing his father. p.s. you had a name change? DeskSgt.Hodge? You miss him that much, eh? So do I. |
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Post by Hodge on Dec 6, 2014 2:09:35 GMT
p.s. you had a name change? DeskSgt.Hodge? You miss him that much, eh? So do I. In honour of Hodge, it won't be the same without him.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 6, 2014 2:51:41 GMT
I liked this episode a lot. The puppet was so noisy and annoying, he got on everybody’s nerves. He sure had an attitude, especially with Doyle, calling him a walrus and getting under his skin. He made me laugh. I knew the guy was the killer from the moment they found him in the closet but I thought something was amiss with the eyes. They were different from the child’s in the photo but I didn’t know the child was dead. Something didn’t fit until the birth certificates indicated there were two babies. It all made sense then. A complicated and weird episode but I liked it. I saw from the start that the eyes were opposite, couldn't believe that William didn't, not like him to miss the small details. That's because he was too weirded out by that damn doll. Or at least I was.  |
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