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Post by hannikan on Mar 2, 2011 14:34:15 GMT
Julia is listed in episodes starting with # 7... uktv.co.uk/alibi/stepbystep/aid/642156This was a great episode. I really loved the music. I noticed it was directed by Yannick Bisson, too. I loved when they were looking around the corner and Julia put her head on his shoulder and smiled. I also liked the stuff with Crabtree and Higgins and Brackenreid back home. |
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Post by camilla on Mar 2, 2011 14:53:10 GMT
The two guys have great chemistry and is a real pleasure see them act together!
I really don't understand,Helene Joy is in the credits but she isn't in all the episodes..ok for the first two,but the others?
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Post by flip18 on Mar 2, 2011 14:57:14 GMT
Would imagine that Julia is going to be a fair number of the episodes so it makes sense to leave her name in the credits, take it as a good sign  Also it would probably cost them money they don't wan't to spend to re-do the credits without her name just for the episodes she's not in! |
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Post by camilla on Mar 2, 2011 15:55:51 GMT
You are right flip,but I had hoped that after 3th episode we saw Julia in all episode until the end..  |
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Post by Lucy on Mar 2, 2011 18:50:59 GMT
I just remembered the part when Higgins said about the place being full of cameras and crime being non-existent! aha... I thought that was so funny, the cameras don't stop crime they just move it to somewhere else
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Post by hannikan on Mar 2, 2011 20:30:57 GMT
Yeah I love it when someone says if whatever object the episode focuses on were to be used on a mass scale (like it is today) there would be no crime. It was also funny when either Crabtree or Higgins said that some day there might be security/surveillance cameras watching our every move. Of course some feel that it is that way now. I also liked the reference to Photoshopping images. Like when the reporter said to Brackenreid that with use of what Crabtree did manipulating the photo it would cause photos to no longer be admissible as evidence in court. That has become true due to the widespread ability to change images with programs like Photoshop. There was image altering like Crabtree did though even in those days.
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Post by wildhorseannie on Apr 30, 2014 6:19:34 GMT
Oh my goodness! I just watched this episode for the first time...as a true George-lover this episode was amazing! George is just as good a detective as Murdoch (and looks better doing it, in my opinion  ). In fact, this was the third time George was able to solve a crime without Murdoch's help - the previous times being in "Convalescence" and "The Murdoch Identity." This episode also reinforced the Henry-sidekick role which I love. I know I will probably be in the very unpopular minority after saying this, but I would be ok if the show was renamed "Crabtree Capers" (or something much more clever), and left out Murdoch altogether! ... Or at least if Julia left the series. |
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Post by snacky on May 1, 2014 2:12:37 GMT
Oh my goodness! I just watched this episode for the first time...as a true George-lover this episode was amazing! George is just as good a detective as Murdoch (and looks better doing it, in my opinion ). In fact, this was the third time George was able to solve a crime without Murdoch's help - the previous times being in "Convalescence" and "The Murdoch Identity." This episode also reinforced the Henry-sidekick role which I love. I know I will probably be in the very unpopular minority after saying this, but I would be ok if the show was renamed "Crabtree Capers" (or something much more clever), and left out Murdoch altogether! ... Or at least if Julia left the series. Interested in why your in the anti-Julia camp. She certainly has some annoying quirks (as does William), but I think that makes her better as a love interest and draws a lot more shipping commitment from fans. It's harder for me to ship Emily since her character is not nearly as well established. One thing I love about George is how he does have a secret confidence in himself that he represses around social superiors. To me that really underscores the weakness of social status hierarchies: you might never find out about talent because the people at the bottom have a vested interest in pleasing their superiors, which often results in sucking up and outright lying to them, and an ongoing effort not to appear threatening. Revealing intelligence and talent is "uppity". Anyway, that scene where George implies he's a better at photography than William is one of my favorite George moments. I also like Buffalo Shuffle because of how it just crushes William's hopes and dreams after months of suffering with the other coroner. How sadly proper for him not to say anything! How sad he obviously didn't communicate his feelings in his letters. How terrible that he did not get on the first train to Buffalo after Julia left. Did he actually have second thoughts about proposing? I love that heaping bowl full of angst. More, please! I don't think I'd watch a show called Crabtree Capers: he needs straight man William to be shown off to best effect.  William also needs George to keep himself from getting blindsided by hubris. |
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Post by wildhorseannie on May 1, 2014 3:54:22 GMT
I actually never truly liked Julia, even from the first episode. She has a certain arrogance that is extremely off-putting. I think this contributed to her never getting together with William; she was too proud to ever try to make things work with him. As for William, he has to carry some blame as well, because, as you mentioned, he had ample opportunity to express himself and yet never did. I haven't met Emily yet, so I can't make a judgement on her character, but I do know that I preferred both Enid and Anna to Julia. I'm also not sure that George's quiet confidence is entirely due to social hierarchy standards. I think having a simple, quiet confidence in yourself while living a life of service to others is a highly desirable character trait. In fact, my favorite thing about George is simply the way he treats every person as a valuable individual, regardless of class or social status. (Except maybe Henry! ). |
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Post by snacky on May 1, 2014 6:43:40 GMT
I actually never truly liked Julia, even from the first episode. She has a certain arrogance that is extremely off-putting. I think this contributed to her never getting together with William; she was too proud to ever try to make things work with him. As for William, he has to carry some blame as well, because, as you mentioned, he had ample opportunity to express himself and yet never did. I haven't met Emily yet, so I can't make a judgement on her character, but I do know that I preferred both Enid and Anna to Julia. I'm also not sure that George's quiet confidence is entirely due to social hierarchy standards. I think having a simple, quiet confidence in yourself while living a life of service to others is a highly desirable character trait. In fact, my favorite thing about George is simply the way he treats every person as a valuable individual, regardless of class or social status. (Except maybe Henry! ). I thought the key to Julia's attitude was in "Dinosaur Fever": women were making their first steps into professions that had always been male preserves. The easiest way for men to deflect female competition was to disrespect and belittle them. Women needed to figure out how to command respect. In Dinosaur Fever, William said he understood that. This comes up again in The Black Hand, where Julia is put aside in favor of a male coroner: but then she gets the case back when the male coroner turns out to be more interested in carrousing - i.e., unprofessional. Also, at the time men were expected to make the initial moves in courting, no matter how "neurally diverse" they were. I think it was killing Julia to be a spinster and in close proximity to an eligible bachelor, but she had to wait on him to invite her out on a date. Enid was pretty, but there is no way she would have tolerated the years of dithering that Julia did: she was pressing hard for a commitment. She needed a father for Alwyn yesterday. Julia's interests and abilities are closer to William's. I really like Anna, and I think it's likely she gets some snuggle time in with William in later episodes. While she has the adventurousness to attract William, she probably doesn't have enough of an education for their relationship to go very far. William would probably find that frustrating. I'm a bit chary of spoilers since it seems you are only on Season 4, but you've probably seen enough to know that William didn't pursue a longterm relationship with Anna even while Julia was "off the table". Instead he tried to keep Julia in proximity, forcing Julia to establish some distance for decorum's sake. In sum, I think Julia's someone he can hang out with - and I can buy that, even if *I* wouldn't be attracted to Julia. Also, without getting too spoilery, George's satisfaction with his life of "quiet service" is going to be seriously challenged. Being a good man isn't going to be enough. |
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Post by wildhorseannie on May 2, 2014 3:28:47 GMT
Well, I can't reply to alot since I haven't seen anything past episode 3 of Season 4. But I still stand by the idea that Julia is far too arrogant to be likable. I understand that she was living in a difficult time for female professionals, but rather than simply work hard to prove herself (although she does work hard), her self-confidence comes across as outright arrogance. I would think William wouldn't be able to stand it, except that he also possess his own degree of arrogance...not as distasteful or apparent as Julia's, but just as present.
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Post by snacky on May 2, 2014 4:26:35 GMT
Julia is far too arrogant to be likable. I understand that she was living in a difficult time for female professionals, but rather than simply work hard to prove herself (although she does work hard), her self-confidence comes across as outright arrogance. I would think William wouldn't be able to stand it, except that he also possess his own degree of arrogance...not as distasteful or apparent as Julia's, but just as present. Haha, you anticipated my response. I was about to agree Julia could be arrogant...but so can William. XD So they are a good match for each other. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 6, 2014 6:19:37 GMT
Re-watching this episode tonight and catching a lot more of the "little moments" - like how much pleasure William gets from seeing the evidence of Julia in her office, and how much he enjoys impressing her with his detective tricks. In fact, for him, that's probably one of the foundations of their relationship - the little ego-boost he gets from impressing her that way.
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Post by wildhorseannie on Jun 6, 2014 18:21:04 GMT
I love when Emily first starts working with Julia, and Julia explains to her that she likes to "give little clues" to the detectives when completing her reports. It's clear how much Julia likes working with William and helping out on the cases. |
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Post by snacky on Jun 7, 2014 3:26:53 GMT
I love when Emily first starts working with Julia, and Julia explains to her that she likes to "give little clues" to the detectives when completing her reports. It's clear how much Julia likes working with William and helping out on the cases. It's also clear how much William utterly relies on that, to the point where he couldn't even work with someone doing "business as usual" like Dr. Francis. What's amazing to me is that even after Julia has broken his heart and gotten engaged to another man, William is still desperate to get her back in the morgue where he can work with her every day. |
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). In fact, this was the third time George was able to solve a crime without Murdoch's help - the previous times being in "Convalescence" and "The Murdoch Identity." This episode also reinforced the Henry-sidekick role which I love. I know I will probably be in the very unpopular minority after saying this, but I would be ok if the show was renamed "Crabtree Capers" (or something much more clever), and left out Murdoch altogether! ... Or at least if Julia left the series.
