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Post by cpfan on Mar 23, 2011 19:49:31 GMT
I loved this episode. It felt a lot like the episodes of season 1 and I have to admit I missed that. Williams reasoning and experiments, the interaction between William/George and of course the William/Julia moments. Though I'm still not sure that I want them to get married at the end of the season. In my experience this often indicates the end of a show and honestly, I don't want that to happen for a long time.
Did any of you recognize the actor of Felix Roachs? I believe it's Jonathan Wilson, the guy who played Howie Fines in Sue Thomas.
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Post by camilla on Mar 23, 2011 20:05:39 GMT
Happy to help you Murdoch friends!
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Post by hannikan on Mar 23, 2011 20:48:46 GMT
I wanted to add my thoughts about the conversation W and J have at the end of the episode.
Murdoch: I suppose she lives in a world of her own.
Julia: Such a lonely place.
M: Why do you say that?
J: Because she can't communicate her feelings.
M: You believe that makes her unhappy?
J: Well, it would make me unhappy.
M: I don't think Lydia views her life the way that we do. I think there's a solace and certainty in order that sustains her.
J: And that's enough?
M: Sometimes it has to be.
I think he was saying that he understood Lydia a little in that he feels like he cannot communicate his feelings now that Julia is engaged to Darcy. So he has to take comfort in his work and the intellectual pursuits that have always sustained him when he has been alone (now and after Liza and his mother died). And while it really isn't what he wants he has to be satisfied with it because he has no ability to change the situation, just like Lydia has no ability to change her situation. I think it's also a little funny that Julia didn't understand some of this herself since she has admitted that she lives in her head, too. She also has trouble or is slow to express her emotions sometimes. W and J are both very cautious about their emotions usually (understandably so based on their pasts) and that stalls their relationship a lot. They also both have a great ability to empathize with others and imagine themselves in another person's condition, too. They both understand some of the misunderstood of the time because of their own traumatic experiences.
Although lately (since the end of S3) Julia has become very impatient about William expressing himself. She drops these bombs on him (her abortion, infertility, moving) and then expects him to process it in a matter of seconds with a clear answer and a definitive plan. I think that is expecting too much of even the best verbal communicator. Plus, she wanted him to read between the lines when she said no one was offering her anything in Toronto. What did she mean by that (beside the job opportunity)? She never gave an indication previously that she wanted to get married and she did indicate that she didn't want children (even though it seems she's changed her mind she hasn't clearly said that). When she said she was infertile it was a bit ambiguous. We had all assumed she didn't want children but now it seemed that she didn't have any because she couldn't. But she certainly wasn't clearly saying to William that she wanted kids in the future. So I laughed at Julia when she responded to William's saying that Lydia "possessed great intellect with the inability to communicate effectively with others" by saying that she knew "someone who fit that description." I think we know two people who fit that description!
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Post by kaybee on Mar 23, 2011 22:03:29 GMT
I agree with you Hannikan - both about two people who fit that description, and that William feels the best he can hope for is finding solace in order and purpose of life.
After rewatching the episode, I liked it even more - certainly my favorite episode so far this season. The production of the model, and putting Murdoch in the street while giant George tries to get his attention - this episode was just so well done!
I do think that Darcy will come to realize that Julia and William have an intense bond, and may very well ask Julia to answer him honestly, if her feelings for William are in the past, or whether she might not be happier with William. (The scene at the fair, where Darcy asked what they were talking about, and Julia still looked first to William, should give him pause if he sees them together more frequently).
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Post by hannikan on Mar 23, 2011 22:22:14 GMT
I do think that Darcy will come to realize that Julia and William have an intense bond, and may very well ask Julia to answer him honestly, if her feelings for William are in the past, or whether she might not be happier with William. (The scene at the fair, where Darcy asked what they were talking about, and Julia still looked first to William, should give him pause if he sees them together more frequently). I noticed that, too. Julia seems to gravitate toward William physically like a plant toward the sun. She can't help it, poor thing.  I didn't see any indication in his facial expression that Darcy noticed but I think he should have. I am sure he will start to react at some point in the next few episodes though. I can see him asking her to choose, too. I am still curious if we will find out what drew Darcy and Julia together. I mean he's a nice guy, good looking and cares for children but I wonder if there was something more specific that Julia thinks he has and William does not. |
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Post by akarana on Mar 24, 2011 7:58:15 GMT
I am still curious if we will find out what drew Darcy and Julia together. I mean he's a nice guy, good looking and cares for children but I wonder if there was something more specific that Julia thinks he has and William does not. I think what Darcy gives Julia, or what he has and William doesn't, is affection. He calls her darling no matter who is around, he kisses her before he leaves, he worries about her happiness and was willing to give up his entire life in Buffalo simply so she could be happier in Toronto. And she didn't even have to ask him. (Of course he didn't know what can of worms he was opening up or he might have taken her back to Bufallo as fast as possible). I think no matter how modern or self reliant Julia is, she still wants to be woed and swept off her feet. She probably knows that she lives inside ehr own head too, but looks at all the other dates she had or the men who were interested in her. They charmed her from all we saw and William he just... she loves him, but remember their first date? The first official one I mean? They were finally alone at a park and all that he was thinking about was the case and then he even told her so. Sure with the help of absinth that changed, but still it's not every woman's dream to go on a first date with the guy you have a serious crush on and then he says "Sorry, I know you'd like to talk to me, but I'm thinking about work. Can't we discuss that instead?!" I also agree with Hannikan. Before this episode however I always thought Julia was just terrified by the thought that William could want kids and would be unhappy with her when she couldn't have any and that's why she left. From what she said this episode though, it looks like she had been unhappy for a while and the sterile thing was just one of the reasons. The bigger one might have been William's inability to express his feelings (left aside the fact that she's just as bad). |
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Post by gwynhyfer on Mar 24, 2011 14:29:30 GMT
Think the boy in the first series is most likey to have been more Aspergers Syndrome (very high functioning end of the autistic spectrum) and their form of communication seems quite stilted and gramatically very proper (a bit like William so Julia wasn't far of the mark when she said she knew someone like that!) and they have a tendency to take everything literally but the women in this episode is more classically autistic. My son is autistic and developed speech when he was about 8 but his use of language as a communication skill is very limited and he needs support. Some people with autism don't develop speech at all. Having said all this I missed the episode (How could I ?!!! ) so I am really looking forward to trying to see if I can download it or I will have to wait for the repeat.....
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Post by gwynhyfer on Mar 24, 2011 14:37:53 GMT
I know Darcy is a nice guy (it would be much easier to hate him if he had actively 'stolen' Julia from William) but tbh I think Julia has gone to him on the rebound. It is easy to see why she might do this. It is clear that Julia and William love each other but they are both as bad as each other when it comes to being open and honest. Julia may be open about the crushing honesty of such episodes as her abortion, etc, but, like another poster has said, she doesn't allow William a chance to assimilate the information or even talk it all through. She delivers the news and virtually bolts away - assuming, of course, he doesn't have pressing detecting to do!! If they don't end up together it will be really sad, for the characters but more so for all the fans! :-)
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Post by hannikan on Mar 24, 2011 22:53:46 GMT
Yeah, that's true that he does show affection by calling her darling and being very amiable. I still find his offering to more to Toronto a little suspicious and think it was not merely to accommodate her. But they never kiss on the mouth. There's not any passion there like there was with Julia and William. J & W had to hide their affection because they worked together but it was always simmering under the surface. I guess to me it is off-putting if public pronouncements of affection happen too quickly or too publicly if I don't know that it is genuine. I'd rather see someone wait to show affection until they are sure of the other person's feelings. I feel like he may be suspicious of Julia and William based on her behavior around him yet Darcy's still calling her darling and acting like everything's great. I guess I think it might be a bit put on/fake. Their interaction seems forced to me. I haven't ever been sure either of their feelings for each other are genuine. Even though I would have been frustrated by William's caution and slowness to make decisions, I think Julia is as much to blame for the place they are at in their relationship. It takes two to tango! |
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Post by Lucy on Mar 24, 2011 23:08:53 GMT
I wonder if Darcy knowa whether Julia is sterile? I don't recall hearing anything about him knowing. Maybe she has kept it from him because of what she 'thinks' Murdoch feels
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Post by hannikan on Mar 25, 2011 1:40:39 GMT
I wonder if Darcy knows whether Julia is sterile? I don't recall hearing anything about him knowing. Maybe she has kept it from him because of what she 'thinks' Murdoch feels I really wonder about that, too. It could be that he does not yet and when he finds out he will not accept it. On the other hand that could be why they came together, because he was open to adopting. I guess we'll have to see. |
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Post by kaybee on Mar 25, 2011 1:52:48 GMT
I have the feeling this will be the last Murdoch episode some of us will get to see for some time...apparently YouTube received complaints about copyright infringement, and has now taken down the episodes so tirelessly uploaded by Camilla (and Complete Movies4U, and all the others who uploaded full episodes). I might not have known for another week, but I went back to watch episode 5, and it was no longer there! We'll have to rely on detailed reviews, I guess.
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Post by hannikan on Mar 25, 2011 2:11:45 GMT
Yeah Camilla was saying that you would have to watch them fast. It's super frustrating that there isn't another place online to watch it.
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Post by camilla on Mar 25, 2011 8:28:57 GMT
Sorry guys...but someone on MM groups on Facebook has mentioned my YouTube account and I have had problems,someone has signalize me to YouTube..I know is not correct post the episodes online,but all can easily find them with Emule,UTorrent,Streaming...I only want help the fans that can't see the show and they can't see it in their countries.I don't buy anything.very sorry guys  |
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Post by hannikan on Mar 25, 2011 13:21:40 GMT
Not your fault, camilla. Thank you for doing it while you could. I guess this will prompt me to buy the DVDs sooner.  |
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I didn't see any indication in his facial expression that Darcy noticed but I think he should have. I am sure he will start to react at some point in the next few episodes though. I can see him asking her to choose, too. I am still curious if we will find out what drew Darcy and Julia together. I mean he's a nice guy, good looking and cares for children but I wonder if there was something more specific that Julia thinks he has and William does not. 
