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Post by kaybee on Mar 25, 2011 14:30:05 GMT
Thanks Camilla, for all the ones you've uploaded prior to this.
I have to say, tho', that I thought it was great (and fair!) because it's a show I can't possibly watch here in the U.S., but I do buy the DVD's (even as Region 2 DVD's, which I have to watch on my computer). (I have to buy them, simply because I watch them over and over! As I've said before, I'm addicted!!)
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Post by camilla on Mar 25, 2011 16:07:34 GMT
Lucky you that you can buy the DVD..here in Italy we have seen only the first 2 seasons and not DVD..
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Post by hannikan on Mar 25, 2011 20:11:42 GMT
They only have the first two seasons in PBS but we can buy from Canada and it will still play. I'm going to justify buying them by saying that I can use episodes in the classroom from time to time. I teach history.  |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Mar 25, 2011 21:24:53 GMT
i download them through demonoid.me. they're always put up really fast and they download super quick too. BTW this is for torrents not streaming only.
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Post by shangas on Dec 5, 2011 0:00:35 GMT
This episode is one of my favourites. It's just so interesting and different.
Mental illnesses such as autism and multiple-personality-syndrome were so understudied during this time that it's interesting to see how "Victorians" would've tackled things like this.
And that model is amazing. I can't imagine how hard it was to build it for the episode!
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 16, 2014 3:17:49 GMT
I absolutely love this episode. True deduction tempered by the perception to get information out of Lydia. What really annoys me is the writers treat Lydia as William's first exposure to and "idiot savant". Phillip Delaney, from Let Loose the Dogs, was the same. These characters fall within the Autism spectrum, IMO, so it begs the question: is William so effective getting through to both of them because he marginally falls within the same spectrum?
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Post by snacky on Nov 16, 2014 5:01:16 GMT
After all of our discussions about the shortcomings in the "mystery" element of the recent episodes of Season 8, the fine craftsmanship of the mysteries in Season 4 really stands out to me. In Dead End Street, William gathered his clues in so many indirect ways! Then toward the end the new clue about the cat scratches brought all the casual remarks and observed evidence to bear. And there was still time for character development and subtle humor as well! What happened to that formula? Also, George was the one who noted that there was a person missing among the model parade watchers. Again George proves that he is extremely observant, though Inspector B treats him like an idiot and William treats him like mere apprentice (who is best at digging). George is actually proving himself all the time - it's just that it doesn't register with anyone because George is George in their minds. Thought of another one - in Staircase to Heaven George makes the crucial observation about the shoes, and he also gets on the right side to capture the criminal...  |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 16, 2014 5:08:12 GMT
After all of our discussions about the shortcomings in the "mystery" element of the recent episodes of Season 8, the fine craftsmanship of the mysteries in Season 4 really stands out to me. In Dead End Street, William gathered his clues in so many indirect ways! Then toward the end the new clue about the cat scratches brought all the casual remarks and observed evidence to bear. And there was still time for character development and subtle humor as well! What happened to that formula? Also, George was the one who noted that there was a person missing among the model parade watchers. Again George proves that he is extremely observant, though Inspector B treats him like an idiot and William treats him like mere apprentice (who is best at digging). George is actually proving himself all the time - it's just that it doesn't register with anyone because George is George in their minds. Thought of another one - in Staircase to Heaven George makes the crucial observation about the shoes, and he also gets on the right side to capture the criminal... Well observed my friend. Maybe I should be adding those instances where George makes a key observation to my super geeky spreadsheet. Fact: George digs his first hole in this episode!! |
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Post by snacky on Nov 16, 2014 5:12:46 GMT
After all of our discussions about the shortcomings in the "mystery" element of the recent episodes of Season 8, the fine craftsmanship of the mysteries in Season 4 really stands out to me. In Dead End Street, William gathered his clues in so many indirect ways! Then toward the end the new clue about the cat scratches brought all the casual remarks and observed evidence to bear. And there was still time for character development and subtle humor as well! What happened to that formula? Also, George was the one who noted that there was a person missing among the model parade watchers. Again George proves that he is extremely observant, though Inspector B treats him like an idiot and William treats him like mere apprentice (who is best at digging). George is actually proving himself all the time - it's just that it doesn't register with anyone because George is George in their minds. Thought of another one - in Staircase to Heaven George makes the crucial observation about the shoes, and he also gets on the right side to capture the criminal... Well observed my friend. Maybe I should be adding those instances where George makes a key observation to my super geeky spreadsheet. Fact: George digs his first hole in this episode!! Yes to a George Key Observations Spreadsheet! I don't believe this is George's first hole! In Season 4? I'm sure I've pointed out George's digging to Eclair before, and we've been watching in order...  In other news, George has to run to a stop watch in Let Loose the Dogs - just saw that one on TV last week. |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 16, 2014 5:17:35 GMT
Well observed my friend. Maybe I should be adding those instances where George makes a key observation to my super geeky spreadsheet. Fact: George digs his first hole in this episode!! Yes to a George Key Observations Spreadsheet! I don't believe this is George's first hole! In Season 4? I'm sure I've pointed out George's digging to Eclair before, and we've been watching in order... In other news, George has to run to a stop watch in Let Loose the Dogs - just saw that one on TV last week. I noted the 5 runs George had to run on my spreadsheet, but that is not hole digging by any stretch of the imagination. I have been keeping very careful track of these things. This was the first hole he dug and the second was in Confederate Treasure. Maybe William gets tired of George`s wild ideas and starts setting him to hole digging to shut him up!? |
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Post by snacky on Nov 16, 2014 5:23:45 GMT
Maybe William gets tired of George`s wild ideas and starts setting him to hole digging to shut him up!? LOL! But still so hard to believe. No graves to dig up in all that time?  |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 16, 2014 5:26:43 GMT
Maybe William gets tired of George`s wild ideas and starts setting him to hole digging to shut him up!? LOL! But still so hard to believe. No graves to dig up in all that time? Not a one! I'm as gobsmacked as you are  ! |
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Post by snacky on Nov 16, 2014 5:46:47 GMT
I absolutely love this episode. True deduction tempered by the perception to get information out of Lydia. What really annoys me is the writers treat Lydia as William's first exposure to and "idiot savant". Phillip Delaney, from Let Loose the Dogs, was the same. These characters fall within the Autism spectrum, IMO, so it begs the question: is William so effective getting through to both of them because he marginally falls within the same spectrum? I don't think "autism" is a diagnosis yet - William might just classify these cases in his mind as "similar types of mental impairment". Phillip did not have the extreme savant gifts Lydia had, though. IMHO, William did have an easier time working with both Lydia and Phillip because he somewhat identified with them. Eclair and I discussed this. I also thought that even though YB hadn't really played William as being an "Asperger's Type" since the first season, the writers were probably trying to bring back that notion with this episode (perhaps in response to forum discussion?). If YB did play William with any touch of Asperger's or emerging from that condition, he did it with a lot more sophistication than first season. |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 16, 2014 5:57:29 GMT
I absolutely love this episode. True deduction tempered by the perception to get information out of Lydia. What really annoys me is the writers treat Lydia as William's first exposure to and "idiot savant". Phillip Delaney, from Let Loose the Dogs, was the same. These characters fall within the Autism spectrum, IMO, so it begs the question: is William so effective getting through to both of them because he marginally falls within the same spectrum? I don't think "autism" is a diagnosis yet - William might just classify these cases in his mind as "similar types of mental impairment". Phillip did not have the extreme savant gifts Lydia had, though. IMHO, William did have an easier time working with both Lydia and Phillip because he somewhat identified with them. Eclair and I discussed this. I also thought that even though YB hadn't really played William as being an "Asperger's Type" since the first season, the writers were probably trying to bring back that notion with this episode (perhaps in response to forum discussion?). If YB did play William with any touch of Asperger's or emerging from that condition, he did it with a lot more sophistication than first season. The term 'Autism' was first used in 1911 by a Swiss psychiatrist named Eugene Bleuler, but it seems he used it more to refer to a subgroup of schizophrenics at that time. I love how the writers have been able to maintain William's laser focus on getting what he wants, in sometimes rather ruthless ways, but he can be so sensitive in handling the very vulnerable. IMO it adds to his greatness as a detective and leads to inquiry about his backstory. I'm not sure if William has Asperger's or not. He is so borderline that it doesn't really matter. His lack of social awareness could very easily be the result of his upbringing. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 16, 2014 6:06:18 GMT
The term 'Autism' was first used in 1911 by a Swiss psychiatrist named Eugene Bleuler, but it seems he used it more to refer to a subgroup of schizophrenics at that time. I love how the writers have been able to maintain William's laser focus on getting what he wants, in sometimes rather ruthless ways, but he can be so sensitive in handling the very vulnerable. IMO it adds to his greatness as a detective and leads to inquiry about his backstory. I'm not sure if William has Asperger's or not. He is so borderline that it doesn't really matter. His lack of social awareness could very easily be the result of his upbringing. I think the level of introversion required for his visions would involve some sort of neurological distortion. (I don't want to call it a malfunction since it's so obviously a benefit for him). Then there is the heavy compartmentalization and some question about whether his reserved character crosses the line into an emotional problem. He also likes to build models, likes to keep everything in order, and has many obsessional habits. But if these things do place him on the "Asperger's Spectrum", he is also capable of growing out of it. |
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