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Post by delirious on Mar 30, 2011 8:12:21 GMT
I see others noticed the lack of the actual prime minister in that scene - replaced by the regular guy! Maybe, just maybe there are two versions of the episode and Alibi got the international version whilst Citytv will show the domestic version  It should be on mid-July in Canada. |
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Post by susie on Mar 30, 2011 9:24:40 GMT
I couldn't help but think that was sort of a metaphor for their romantic relationship. At this point it sort of is just a pile of bones, a relic from the past, but luckily there is still something there to be found. Love your metaphor idea Hannikan, it absolutely works for their relationship. To give others hope though, I think there are still signs of life in it, however. When they were holding hands to demonstrate how the wound could have been inflicted, they both definitely felt something of the old flame |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Mar 30, 2011 18:58:54 GMT
i'm glad Harper got cut. i thought it was ridiculous he was going to be in it in the first place. i didn't want him to ruin one of my favourite shows, even if it was just a cameo. maybe his committee agreed with me and got him removed.
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Post by Lucy on Mar 30, 2011 19:01:01 GMT
He will be in the Canadian version of the episode but not on the DVD
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Post by hannikan on Mar 30, 2011 19:19:31 GMT
I think it's funny from what I saw of the part with PM. It's funny that he plays this lowly constable (talking hockey with Crabtree) and then the PM comes up and he doesn't recognize him. And Crabtree's reaction is funny. They must have filmed two versions of the little part. I guess they thought that outside of Canada people wouldn't get the joke. I wonder if a sitting PM has ever appeared in a TV show before. I'm pretty sure no U.S. sitting president has. They've gone on talk shows (thought usually it's while they're still campaigning or after they're out of office) but not played a character on a show.
I also thought it was funny when Brackenreid was getting in Meyers' face and also the sheepish looks on Murdoch and Brackenreid's faces when Meyers was on the phone with the PM. I liked the part at the end when Murdoch asked Meyers what the govt would do with the money and Meyers said it was classified, then admitted he didn't know because dealing with it wasn't part of his job. And then Murdoch asked what exactly his job was and Meyers said *that* is classified.
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Post by hannikan on Mar 30, 2011 19:20:39 GMT
I couldn't help but think that was sort of a metaphor for their romantic relationship. At this point it sort of is just a pile of bones, a relic from the past, but luckily there is still something there to be found. Love your metaphor idea Hannikan, it absolutely works for their relationship. To give others hope though, I think there are still signs of life in it, however. When they were holding hands to demonstrate how the wound could have been inflicted, they both definitely felt something of the old flame Oh I agree there is plenty of life in it, that's what I meant in the last part. |
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Post by cpfan on Mar 30, 2011 19:41:58 GMT
I loved this episode. Williams mimic in some scenes was just priceless. Especially when George went on and on and didn't stop talking and finally left. I just love the humor in this show.
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Post by susie on Mar 30, 2011 20:50:47 GMT
I wonder if a sitting PM has ever appeared in a TV show before. Tony Blair was in a sketch show with the comedian Catherine Tate for Comic Relief (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfkjvagVsRI)a few years ago when he was still PM, but that was for charity and he was playing himself. I agree, it is really unusual for one to actually be an actor playing a character. I think, good for him, and was a little disappointed when I realised he wasn't in it. |
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Post by delirious on Mar 31, 2011 10:01:05 GMT
This was apparently Harper's third non-talk-show. Two appearances on This Hour Has 22 Minutes and once on Corner Gas playing himself. He's the MP for one of the other ridings in the city and i just think how ugly it would get if i saw him at a grocery store one day. Not a fan of his but glad his role was petty and somewhat self-insulting. Anyone who can pull off governmental contempt of parliament and still have the support of a majority of the population is a very convincing actor. Maybe he could appear in Flashpoint as a bank robber - they are filming season 4 right now. Or a pimp on rookie blue. Maybe he could appear as a wounded officer in The Hot Zone (formerly Combat Hospital). Anything where he doesn't play the hero or the innocent victim.
I'm a little lost on the Julia + William relationship as i enjoyed the movies half a decade ago and only got into the show a couple of months ago. I've seen season 1 and so far season 4 but that dance with the handshake and stabbing was rather passionate.
In the alibi version George is talking about a player acquired by the Ottawa Capitals from the Rat Portage Thistles. In the Citytv version George is talking about a player that the Ottawa Hockey Club (aka Senators, Silver Seven, Generals, etc) should acquire. If you are not into old Ottawa hockey you might not know those are rival teams. In both instances George is speaking of Hod Stuart, who was acquired by the Ottawa Hockey Club from the Rat Portage Thistles for the 1899 season. Hod Stuart never played for the Ottawa Capitals. It also places the episode somewhere in 1898 as the 1899 hockey season started on 7 January 1899. Sadly, Ottawa did not win the Stanley Cup that season. It is probably an unintentional goof to have George mix up the teams like that. But it does finally place the show for me as i probably missed many clues as to the passage of time for having missed 2 seasons.
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Post by susie on Mar 31, 2011 10:23:41 GMT
Wow, very impressed with your historical hockey knowledge. Sadly it was lost on me, being in the UK and knowing nothing about ice hockey. In the Canadian version, which I saw as the clip when Harper was being interviewed, I got that they were talking about hockey, and the interviewer mentioned that he knows something about hockey, is writing a book, so I thought it may have been another in joke.
Can you please answer a question I had from this episode? Mrs Shanly says she had assumed her husband was in Quebec City as parliament was sitting. But later, Murdoch/others refer to Ottawa as the home of parliament/government. Did it move during this time? Or did I just hear/understand that wrong?
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Post by delirious on Mar 31, 2011 18:18:48 GMT
I'll see your query about parliament in Quebec and raise you the prime minister being a local phone call from Toronto and in close enough proximity to arrive at Station 4 that very day.
Simplified history, excluding everything prior to the 19th century:
1791-1840 there was Lower Canada and Upper Canada. They were united into the Province of Canada effective 10 February 1841. What we now know as southern Quebec, southern Ontario wrapping around the great lakes but not so far north as to include the Hudson Bay watershed, and Labrador were known as the Province of Canada, the Ottawa river being the Canada East / Canada West divider.
Capital cities of the Province of Canada
1841–1843 : Kingston, Canada West
1843–1849 : Montreal, Canada East
1849–1852 : Toronto, Canada West
1852–1856 : Quebec City, Canada East
1856–1858 : Toronto, Canada West
1859–1866 : Quebec City, Canada East
1866–1867 : Ottawa, Canada West
Capital cities of the Dominion of Canada
1867-present : Ottawa, Ontario
Locations of the Parliament of Canada
1841-1843 : Kingston
1843-1849 : Montreal
1849-1850 : Toronto
1851-1854 : Quebec City
1859-1860 : Toronto
1860-1865 : Quebec
1866-present : Ottawa
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Post by susie on Mar 31, 2011 20:05:59 GMT
Thank you so much  So what they said does makes sense, which is nice to know Afraid I have no answer to your question - its altogether pretty unlikely that a PM could be summoned to make a visit anywhere at a moments notice and without any visible escort/bodyguard  ;D |
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Post by delirious on Mar 31, 2011 20:55:54 GMT
The prime minister's office would be in Ottawa. So how is it a local phone call in Toronto to reach him and then for him to arrive almost immediately. By train or horse it would be many hours travel between the two cities. Did i miss mention of the prime minister already being in Toronto for something?
In one take you can see that Wilfrid Laurier does enter with a few other men who are only just slightly in the corner of the frame. Plus he is walking into a police station so presumably most security he might be travelling with would remain with his carriage outside.
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Post by delirious on Jul 23, 2011 12:13:59 GMT
So if anyone wants it i do have the Citytv broadcast available to download but i am not sure of the rules for posting a link right here so for now i am not.
Having now seen the episode a few times i have concerns greater than the location of parliament. In October 1864 John A Macdonald was not the prime minister. In October 1864 John A Macdonald was the Minister of Militia and Defence and Deputy Premier of The Province Of Canada. He was not the man in the highest office in the land. He had been Premier Of the Province Of Canada from 24 May 1862 to 30 May 1864 26 November 1857 to 2 August 1858. So that business of him signing a letter from the highest office in the land and the first murdered man being the Minister Of Militia and Defence in October 1864 at the time of his murder are just slightly completely inaccurate.
I am actually rather disappointed as normally the liberties taken with history are nowhere near this massive as to move confederation of Canada by a few years and have a prime minister instead of a premier of Canada in 1864. The one bit that was placed correctly is the St Alban's Raid in mid-October 1864. If you knew no better for having watched the episode you would think that confederation of Canada happened in the days between 19 October 1864 when the St Alban's Raid happened and 21 October 1864 when John A Macdonald signed the letter and the Minister of Militia and Defence was murdered. Paul Aitken, please try to get things a little more correct when you pile in a collection of prominent historical events that are of great significance to the origin of the country.
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Post by paitken99 on Jul 23, 2011 18:02:09 GMT
I've made it a policy not to contribute to message boards but I've been singled out by name and I feel I must respond to Delerious' assertion that I've mislead viewers on matters of history. At no point in the script for Confederate Treasure did I assert that Confederation occurred in October 1864. What I did suggest was that fear of the Union army moving north was one of the motivating factors for Canadian Confederation - which it was. I was also very careful NOT to refer to the pre-confederation MacDonald as Prime Minister. The lines (as scripted) refer to him as either MacDonald or in one case "the highest authority in the land. To refer to him as Premier would have been confusing.
But Delerious is correct that MacDonald held the dual post of Premier and Minister of Militia and Defense. Both the ministers (Defense and Treasury) referred to in Confederate Treasure were fictionalized. This was necessary for the plot. My apologies to the historical purists.
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It should be on mid-July in Canada.
So what they said does makes sense, which is nice to know 
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