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Post by Lucy on Sept 3, 2009 10:51:36 GMT
Original air date - 24th Fabruary 2009
Harry Houdini visits Toronto when Joe Decker, a bank guard, is killed in the bank next door while Harry is performing. Dr. Ogden, Det. Murdoch and Insp. Brackenreid were in the audience. For Dr. Ogden the biggest surprise of the night is her sister, Ruby, appears as Houdini's assistant. Working with Houdini, Murdoch is able to show how the robbery is based on illusion.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 17, 2014 16:07:46 GMT
So, having just rewatched this, Julia and Ruby seem to have a volatile relationship. Anyone want to hazard a guess as to why this was? I know I've sort of speculated before, but it was somewhere else, and didn't get that much play. Insights? Thoughts?
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Post by snacky on Nov 17, 2014 16:48:35 GMT
So, having just rewatched this, Julia and Ruby seem to have a volatile relationship. Anyone want to hazard a guess as to why this was? I know I've sort of speculated before, but it was somewhere else, and didn't get that much play. Insights? Thoughts? When Ruby invited William to dinner, it was hard to tell whether the problem was that she competed with Julia and stole her boyfriends or whether she was really manipulative and stooped to low methods to get what she wanted. Either would be pretty annoying for Julia. Also she made Julia self-conscious about her looks and probably made her feel a bit threatened about being a spinster even though Ruby was quite a "notorious" single woman herself. As an eldest sister, I don't get along with my two younger sisters, but that's because they've never acknowledged any crappy thing they've done to me, and I can't maintain my point of view about it because they team up. But Ruby doesn't have a sister to form this "power bloc" with, so it's hard to see what's keeping Julia from using her position as oldest and wisest to stand up to Ruby more. Perhaps their father constantly told Julia to let Ruby have her way on any tantrum, etc. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 17, 2014 17:11:54 GMT
So, having just rewatched this, Julia and Ruby seem to have a volatile relationship. Anyone want to hazard a guess as to why this was? I know I've sort of speculated before, but it was somewhere else, and didn't get that much play. Insights? Thoughts? When Ruby invited William to dinner, it was hard to tell whether the problem was that she competed with Julia and stole her boyfriends or whether she was really manipulative and stooped to low methods to get what she wanted. Either would be pretty annoying for Julia. Also she made Julia self-conscious about her looks and probably made her feel a bit threatened about being a spinster even though Ruby was quite a "notorious" single woman herself. As an eldest sister, I don't get along with my two younger sisters, but that's because they've never acknowledged any crappy thing they've done to me, and I can't maintain my point of view about it because they team up. But Ruby doesn't have a sister to form this "power bloc" with, so it's hard to see what's keeping Julia from using her position as oldest and wisest to stand up to Ruby more. Perhaps their father constantly told Julia to let Ruby have her way on any tantrum, etc. That's an interesting observation-I can't comment because I have an alcoholic brother who disappoints my father regularly-I'm the favored child. So, no sister to team up with or upon. But, your theory is sound. I wondered if it's because a younger, more vivacious Ruby stole Julia's love interests? But maybe it's deeper than that? |
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Post by snacky on Nov 17, 2014 17:15:09 GMT
I wondered if it's because a younger, more vivacious Ruby stole Julia's love interests? But maybe it's deeper than that? I would guess it's different, not necessarily deeper. I doubt Julia would have forgiven Ruby if she had stolen someone Julia truly loved. And despite their troubles, Julia and Ruby seem to love and look out for each other. |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 17, 2014 17:17:12 GMT
When Ruby invited William to dinner, it was hard to tell whether the problem was that she competed with Julia and stole her boyfriends or whether she was really manipulative and stooped to low methods to get what she wanted. Either would be pretty annoying for Julia. Also she made Julia self-conscious about her looks and probably made her feel a bit threatened about being a spinster even though Ruby was quite a "notorious" single woman herself. As an eldest sister, I don't get along with my two younger sisters, but that's because they've never acknowledged any crappy thing they've done to me, and I can't maintain my point of view about it because they team up. But Ruby doesn't have a sister to form this "power bloc" with, so it's hard to see what's keeping Julia from using her position as oldest and wisest to stand up to Ruby more. Perhaps their father constantly told Julia to let Ruby have her way on any tantrum, etc. That's an interesting observation-I can't comment because I have an alcoholic brother who disappoints my father regularly-I'm the favored child. So, no sister to team up with or upon. But, your theory is sound. I wondered if it's because a younger, more vivacious Ruby stole Julia's love interests? But maybe it's deeper than that? I got the impression that Ruby always got what she wanted, perhaps from their father and also from Julia giving in, maybe encouraged by their father. I definitely got the impression that Ruby routinely stole Julia's boyfriends. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 17, 2014 17:22:52 GMT
I wondered if it's because a younger, more vivacious Ruby stole Julia's love interests? But maybe it's deeper than that? I would guess it's different, not necessarily deeper. I doubt Julia would have forgiven Ruby if she had stolen someone Julia truly loved. And despite their troubles, Julia and Ruby seem to love and look out for each other. So perhaps nothing major then, but rather a collective resentment built up over the years? That holds some water. Still, I always would like to have known what Julia's deal with her father was. I'd also like to know more about George's story as well. We already know more about Brax, but of course I'd love some of his story fleshed out. But then. there's little for William as well, but I'm guessing that will change? Maybe? I know the show has a shipwreck episode planned, but how in detail is it going to go? Or, is there just going to be a mention? See, I can talk about non-shipper stuff!  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 17, 2014 17:36:02 GMT
So perhaps nothing major then, but rather a collective resentment built up over the years? That holds some water. Still, I always would like to have known what Julia's deal with her father was. I'd also like to know more about George's story as well. We already know more about Brax, but of course I'd love some of his story fleshed out. Again just speaking from my own experience: nothing ever changes if you can't make any headway in basic communication. But it seems to me that Julia and Ruby do have that communication - they just have some surface tension to work through. I am a fan of the interpretation that Julia realized that Ruby has excellent taste in fashion and took up dressing like her in Buffalo. She may have even asked for tips. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 17, 2014 19:55:41 GMT
Ruby is definitely a spoiled brat but I'm not sure she could have stolen too many boyfriends from Julia if she's something like a decade younger. I'm under the impression that she was only about 21 when she was introduced. But maybe I'm just projecting the actresses actual age to the character and/or getting confused with fic I've written?
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 17, 2014 20:05:00 GMT
I would guess it's different, not necessarily deeper. I doubt Julia would have forgiven Ruby if she had stolen someone Julia truly loved. And despite their troubles, Julia and Ruby seem to love and look out for each other. So perhaps nothing major then, but rather a collective resentment built up over the years? That holds some water. Still, I always would like to have known what Julia's deal with her father was. I'd also like to know more about George's story as well. We already know more about Brax, but of course I'd love some of his story fleshed out. But then. there's little for William as well, but I'm guessing that will change? Maybe? I know the show has a shipwreck episode planned, but how in detail is it going to go? Or, is there just going to be a mention? See, I can talk about non-shipper stuff! I'm still curious to learn how Julia's mother died. I gather it was either an accident, disease or childbirth. That's pretty much it actually, unless she was murdered but I don't see this being the case or it would have been mentioned a long time ago. In one fic I wrote, she died due to childbirth...but now I'm kinda thinking maybe she had a disease and Dr. Ogden couldn't save her? And maybe irrationally Julia blames him a bit for her death so they always had a strained relationship because of that. And why did they bother introducing George's biological mother only to never show or even mention her again? Same thing goes for Jasper... |
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Post by snacky on Jan 12, 2015 9:42:25 GMT
Inspector Brackenreid - you sly dog!
Apparently Inspector B thought William was never going to make a move on Dr. Ogden. William seemed doomed to a life trapped in Victorian propriety and sexual fantasies. Gruff personality and office "professionalism" aside, Inspector B blatantly PLOTTED to marry William off to Julia!
First Inspector B provided the tickets to the Dinosaur Ball, and then he urged William to take Julia to the Houdini show. So technically William has been out with Julia a few times before he asks her out for dinner at the end of the Houdini ep (at Ruby's urging), and only THEN do they have what also seems to be their first date - The Green Muse picnic.
Isn't this the plot of an Adam Sandler movie where the girl keeps forgetting she's had her first date?
Also, it doesn't seem to me that Inspector B shoved George and Emily together this way...
Historically this actually makes since because the next professional middle class step for William should have been to get married, become the head of a household (to join full adulthood), join the club, etc. William was lagging on his rites of passage.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 12, 2015 11:09:12 GMT
Inspector Brackenreid - you sly dog! Apparently Inspector B thought William was never going to make a move on Dr. Ogden. William seemed doomed to a life trapped in Victorian propriety and sexual fantasies. Gruff personality and office "professionalism" aside, Inspector B blatantly PLOTTED to marry William off to Julia! First Inspector B provided the tickets to the Dinosaur Ball, and then he urged William to take Julia to the Houdini show. So technically William has been out with Julia a few times before he asks her out for dinner at the end of the Houdini ep (at Ruby's urging), and only THEN do they have what also seems to be their first date - The Green Muse picnic. Isn't this the plot of an Adam Sandler movie where the girl keeps forgetting she's had her first date? Also, it doesn't seem to me that Inspector B shoved George and Emily together this way... Historically this actually makes since because the next professional middle class step for William should have been to get married, become the head of a household (to join full adulthood), join the club, etc. William was lagging on his rites of passage. William is a typical genius in that he's socially clueless. He did ask Julia out to dinner at the end of Houdini, but apparently he didn't make enough of a move/claim after that dinner, because at the start of the next episode (TGM) Julia's been on a date with someone else, and cue huffy!William who didn't care for that. But it prompted him to ask her out again (picnic) where apparently, he made a compelling case for exclusivity.  And yes, Brax realized that William was going to need his help if he was ever going to get married. Problem was, William never looked at anyone other than Julia (except briefly for Anna.) Brax had a Herculean task-which is why he wasn't about to let William postpone his wedding again once he finally got to the altar. And yes, when it comes to adult rites of passage, William is seriously behind. |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 12, 2015 17:19:14 GMT
But it prompted him to ask her out again (picnic) where apparently, he made a compelling case for exclusivity. And yes, Brax realized that William was going to need his help if he was ever going to get married. Problem was, William never looked at anyone other than Julia (except briefly for Anna.) Brax had a Herculean task-which is why he wasn't about to let William postpone his wedding again once he finally got to the altar. You have such a way with words. If the inspector had allowed W&J to run away from their wedding he would have been in big doo-doo when Margaret got him home.  |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jan 25, 2015 4:00:32 GMT
But it prompted him to ask her out again (picnic) where apparently, he made a compelling case for exclusivity. And yes, Brax realized that William was going to need his help if he was ever going to get married. Problem was, William never looked at anyone other than Julia (except briefly for Anna.) Brax had a Herculean task-which is why he wasn't about to let William postpone his wedding again once he finally got to the altar. You have such a way with words. If the inspector had allowed W&J to run away from their wedding he would have been in big doo-doo when Margaret got him home. So the usual. #PointlessCommentIsPointless |
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Post by snacky on Jan 25, 2015 4:30:44 GMT
You have such a way with words. If the inspector had allowed W&J to run away from their wedding he would have been in big doo-doo when Margaret got him home. So the usual. #PointlessCommentIsPointless Just noticed Inspector B urging George to go see Emily before she leaves the city in the Cloud of Doom ep. George goes and seizes a Hollywood-style epic kiss. Seriously - what boss in the history of history has every been such a softy matchmaker as Inspector B? It's a hobby of his up there with painting and the theater! |
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