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Post by hannikan on Apr 24, 2012 23:23:24 GMT
This boy appears younger, like maybe 8 or so. We never saw the woman's face in Dinosaur Fever actually. We don't know who it was. William saw her face in the dream though. It could be William himself as a boy (we've actually seen that before in Let Loose the Dogs). But he's not a junior, his dad's name is Harry. It could be a child from a previous relationship before the show started. Someone he knew earlier, like Ettie Weston perhaps.
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Post by catymurdoch on Apr 25, 2012 1:05:33 GMT
May be it is Murdoch''s son but it looks a bit strange that all of a sudden, he would have a son without even had a serious relationship with a woman except for his fiancee , who died a year before season 1. We never saw William talking about another serious relationship in his life a part from Sara and Julia! Quite intriguing this news about the William Murdoch Jr!! In Dinosaur fever, we didnt see the woman's face but she was walking like Julia as they were both moving away. Her posture was identical to Julia and I think it was Helen Joy walking.The scene was there to let us think it was Julia and by the look on Murdoch's face, I think it was quite obvious that he saw Julias's face. I dont think William had any children in the past unless we dont know anything about it. I mean, It could b quite cool because he would have his already made family then, a biological son and then he wouldnt have to adopt eventually if he ends up with Julia . I also think that may b, Julia does not even know for sure if she can conceive or not!!She may become pregnant when she is with Darcy!!!! Who knows! What will then happen to the child if they are to divorce? Will the child stay with Darcy or Julia?? I think that the writers will give William the family he deserves. We may see it or not!!! The child could be biological or adopted? Looks like the show has chosen that little boy because he looks like he could be the biological son of William Murdoch and then a Jr. He has brown hair, brown eyes and cute. will b interesting to see but yes , it could b dream again of the son that he really wants. At the end , he probably will get a daughter then, lol  |
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Post by hannikan on Apr 25, 2012 3:11:05 GMT
Yeah, it would be a child we didn't know about obviously. It could just be a child that William adopts that isn't William's biological child, too. But given that he has his name it would suggest William as his biological father. But the mother would have to be out of the picture in order for William to become the child's guardian. She would either have to die or ask William to take care of him. I assume she'd be showing up unexpectedly. Yeah, it can't be Liza's (his fiancee who died) but it could be from a woman he didn't have a very long relationship for some reason. We'll just have to see. I actually didn't think it looked like Julia's posture and height at the end of Dinosaur Fever. She seemed shorter than Julia. But I still thought it could be her.
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Post by catymurdoch on Apr 25, 2012 14:48:14 GMT
The dream that Wiliam had in dinosaur fever was just as he was talking to Julia and I rewatched it and she is so sweet talking to him about his future. She also put her hand on his hand just before he started dreaming and I think it was put there as a connection. The fact that she did that must have made him start his dream together with what she was talking about. In Dinosaur fever, William and Julia were in great connection and we had the green muse afterwards where they even connected even more physically. So its Julia and no other women, and I am sticking to it. lol  As for the little boy, it would b a shock to him to all of a sudden have a son turning at his doorstep. May b , the boy can do an Alwin similar scene when he turns up at the station 4 behind the desk and wondering where that voice is coming from and would ask to speak to the detective and say , my name is William Murdoch Jr. Hahahaha, that would b so hilarious. Perhaps his mum is dead and he was told to go straight to Station4 and speak to the detective called Murdoch. I think I would like to see that and then William would have to find someone to care for him when he is at work and would ask Julia to have him when their work clash and they could swap when one is working. Hehehehe. Wonder what Darcy would think about that! But then, he cant say much because it's legal and Julia can still do what she wants if she wants to entertain the child of Murdoch. Would also b nice to see Julia interacting with that boy because she knows William so well, that she would see some similarities between the both of them and she may bond even quicker. I have read the actor's profile for that little boy and if its true, he has a lot of abilities. He is athletic and can also speak french. He seems to have it all to play the role of William Murdoch Jr. I am looking forward to see what the writers did regarding to that boy and how he is gonna enter the show! |
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Post by hannikan on May 4, 2012 7:08:24 GMT
Alibi has finally changed the info on the MM page to include more about the S5 episodes: uktv.co.uk/alibi/homepage/sid/8089 Definitely some spoilers!! Interesting info on Dr. Grace... |
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Post by petunia on May 4, 2012 15:20:28 GMT
Well, I just finished watching Staircase to Heaven and I am officialy declaring S5: "the lost series." The remaining three episodes would have to be fantastic to redeam S5. All I can say is that I am very happy that there will be a S6. I would have been extremely disapointing if MM would have ended at the end of S5. Why do I not like S5. I do not even know where to start...
1. The "real life" guest characters (Bell, London), did not come across as real as Doyle or Wells were in S1 and S3. Their presence in the episode seemed "forced"; as though the writers were just following the MM formula of previous seasons when real life characters were brought in.
2. The two parter: what a let down. Murdoch was so out of character in those episodes I do not even know where to start: holding hands with Anna walking down the street!!! That is not William. William was more like himselft in the Murdoch Identity (S3) when he had lost him memory than he was in the two parter. This two parter seemed to me like a "let's give something to those William/Anna fans".
3. The Yukon episode. Again what a major let down. My biggest personal disapointment in S5 as a matter of fact. About a year ago, I posted that it would be a great idea to have William start the season down and out in the Yukon. I was so happy to see that the writers had had the same idea. Jack London was a charicature of himself and so was William. The lines were bad : "mining the miners..." come on, once was cheesy, twice was simply bad TV.
4. While there were some better episodes(Back and to the left, the Electric car), they were simply better because the other episodes were so bad. So far this season, we have seen nothing equal to the great episodes of previous seasons: (Let loose the dog in S1, Snakes and Ladder in S2....)
5. The William and Julia romance gone from the show.... Writers, writers, writers what were you thinking? Here is a reality check. If you are looking for analogues to MM in other TV shows, think Castle, Bones, even the X-Files. These shows have figured out the winning formula. Weekly mysteries coupled with a slow moving romance between the two main leads. What would Bones be like without Temperance, boring.. What would Castle be like without Castle: cancelled!!!. Look how badly the X-files did when Mulder left the show. MM worked when you used this formula from S1 to S3 (you started stumbling in S4 in my opinion). I you want to see how well this formula works, go check out the number of posts in advance of the Castle Season finale. I think they are up to 50 pages. Staircase to Heaven only generated a dozen posts on the official MM UKTV message board. As a matter of fact look at all the posts generated on the UKTV board so far this season. A lot fewer than in previous seasons. That is very telling...
5. Emily Grace: one dimensional character who is supposed to make us forget Julia is gone: big failure there also.
Anyway... I could go on forever, but I will stop here. Again, I say, take your new writers, lock them in a room for several days and force them to watch S1 to S3 time and time again. Maybe then, they would get a feel of what MM is realy like.
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Post by hannikan on May 4, 2012 20:59:39 GMT
I have a feeling I know what Julia's "new role" will be in S6. It could bring back some of the old dynamic while still being different. It could also mean that Emily will still be around in the morgue. I hope not because I don't think she's a well done character. I think there could still be some good stuff in the next 3 episodes though. I am looking forward to the hockey episode partly because Cedric Smith (Alec King on RTA) will be in it. Murdoch in Toyland sounds intriguing and Julia will be back for it. 20th Century Murdoch may be fun, too, based on what I have read about it. I have been disappointed overall with S5, too. I liked Bell but I agree about Jack London's role being disappointing. That episode overall was a let down. I liked BATTL, WKTEC, SOTWS 1&2 and IC best and I think they were really good but the rest were either bad (STH) or lackluster.
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Post by petunia on May 4, 2012 22:48:23 GMT
I have to take back all the insults I mentally sent to CityTV last fall when they decided not to renew MM. My guess is they had already seen what we are seeing now and made the correct financial decision. All the changes that occured in S5 make the show boring. I would not have renewed either.
As for CBC... well Mr. and Mrs. CBC executives, if I were you, I would go to the people who make MM and tell them to forget about the experiments they tried to do this season and to go back to what they were doing from S1 to S4. Otherwise, you just bought yourself a dud.
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Post by murdochic on May 6, 2012 13:52:03 GMT
I have a feeling I know what Julia's "new role" will be in S6. It could bring back some of the old dynamic while still being different. It could also mean that Emily will still be around in the morgue. I hope not because I don't think she's a well done character. I think there could still be some good stuff in the next 3 episodes though. I am looking forward to the hockey episode partly because Cedric Smith (Alec King on RTA) will be in it. Murdoch in Toyland sounds intriguing and Julia will be back for it. 20th Century Murdoch may be fun, too, based on what I have read about it. I have been disappointed overall with S5, too. I liked Bell but I agree about Jack London's role being disappointing. That episode overall was a let down. I liked BATTL, WKTEC, SOTWS 1&2 and IC best and I think they were really good but the rest were either bad (STH) or lackluster. I am barely holding on to S5. I don't look forward to any of the episodes and spend my time huffing in frustration while watching. I haven't felt like posting online for the last few weeks either, because i'm that underwhelmed by it all that I have had nothing to say. S5 has been rubbish, and I just hope the next three episodes go someway to redeeming it. The lack of Julia this series has been disgusting, and has totally added to my frustration with the whole thing. Can they please get rid of Dr Grace, Julia needs to get back in the morgue. Don't even get we started on how much I disliked the two parter. Talk about an annoying and disappointing episode(s). Anna better be gone for good, I find her unbearable to watch now. I think I can guess which other role you think Julia could play in S6 coughprofilercough. That I could see happening, but even then they'd have limited reasons for her being in episodes. I want her back as the pathologist, it's what she does best. All I can say is that satisfying ending they promised to S5 better be all they promised, and it better include some W/J. I think I can guess how they could give us an ending for them that would work while things are still unresolved in the present. That will probably give you hint of what I am thinking Anyway, fingers crossed for the last part of this series to save it. Because otherwise I am completely writting it off and hoping S6 goes back to the MM it used to be. I agree with Petunia that it's all been boring and their experiments with changing the format hasn't worked, infact it almost ruined the show. They need to stop messing about with what wasn't broken, get back the old dynamics in S6 and bring back W/J. Because without them this show is a snoozefest, that can't be denied. |
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Post by hannikan on May 6, 2012 22:25:41 GMT
I hope Dr. Grace is gone after S5, too. I don't find her enjoyable to watch. There is something that will happen in Murdoch Night in Canada that will hopefully allow for her exit, but I'm not holding my breath since it doesn't seem that Julia will be working in the morgue again in S6. I think you're right about Julia's new role because she supposedly has been studying psychology on her hiatus from practicing medicine. Probably with Dr. Roberts since he'll be in the next episode, too. It could still be that she and William work together closely. It's possible that it will work. I'm willing to be open to it. I have a feeling Anna will probably be in another episode or two in S6. I like her and I'm not worried that she will replace Julia in William's life.
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Post by catymurdoch on May 7, 2012 14:02:46 GMT
I have a feeling I know what Julia's "new role" will be in S6. It could bring back some of the old dynamic while still being different. It could also mean that Emily will still be around in the morgue. I hope not because I don't think she's a well done character. I think there could still be some good stuff in the next 3 episodes though. I am looking forward to the hockey episode partly because Cedric Smith (Alec King on RTA) will be in it. Murdoch in Toyland sounds intriguing and Julia will be back for it. 20th Century Murdoch may be fun, too, based on what I have read about it. I have been disappointed overall with S5, too. I liked Bell but I agree about Jack London's role being disappointing. That episode overall was a let down. I liked BATTL, WKTEC, SOTWS 1&2 and IC best and I think they were really good but the rest were either bad (STH) or lackluster. I am barely holding on to S5. I don't look forward to any of the episodes and spend my time huffing in frustration while watching. I haven't felt like posting online for the last few weeks either, because i'm that underwhelmed by it all that I have had nothing to say. S5 has been rubbish, and I just hope the next three episodes go someway to redeeming it. The lack of Julia this series has been disgusting, and has totally added to my frustration with the whole thing. Can they please get rid of Dr Grace, Julia needs to get back in the morgue. Don't even get we started on how much I disliked the two parter. Talk about an annoying and disappointing episode(s). Anna better be gone for good, I find her unbearable to watch now. I think I can guess which other role you think Julia could play in S6 coughprofilercough. That I could see happening, but even then they'd have limited reasons for her being in episodes. I want her back as the pathologist, it's what she does best. All I can say is that satisfying ending they promised to S5 better be all they promised, and it better include some W/J. I think I can guess how they could give us an ending for them that would work while things are still unresolved in the present. That will probably give you hint of what I am thinking Anyway, fingers crossed for the last part of this series to save it. Because otherwise I am completely writting it off and hoping S6 goes back to the MM it used to be. I agree with Petunia that it's all been boring and their experiments with changing the format hasn't worked, infact it almost ruined the show. They need to stop messing about with what wasn't broken, get back the old dynamics in S6 and bring back W/J. Because without them this show is a snoozefest, that can't be denied. Agree with you Murdochic The format season 5 is really weird.Its probably because Helen Joy was not available but I agree, I think it did ruin the show. I just hope Julia will be in every episode next year. It will be a shame if they keep ruining a great show. I do understand the actors want to quit at some point but they still should commit as much as possible to the success of the show that decided to start. Yannick is commited according to what I saw and hear on the internet but the character of Julia is mostly important to it too. Please Helen, stay until the end and make us all happy. The julia character with the Murdoch character is crucial to the success of MM. Without that interaction between the 2 characters, it's not the same and the vibe is gone, for me anyway. I dont want it to be a repeat of Stargate sg1 and the x-files when some of the lead characters left the show for 2 seasons and came back and offered the fans the "too little, too late" thingie. I hope for a great end of season 5 and a smashing season 6. Bring on the great storylines with some great character interactions and hopefully , resolving the ship in a few great scenes. |
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Post by murdochic on May 7, 2012 21:27:00 GMT
I am barely holding on to S5. I don't look forward to any of the episodes and spend my time huffing in frustration while watching. I haven't felt like posting online for the last few weeks either, because i'm that underwhelmed by it all that I have had nothing to say. S5 has been rubbish, and I just hope the next three episodes go someway to redeeming it. The lack of Julia this series has been disgusting, and has totally added to my frustration with the whole thing. Can they please get rid of Dr Grace, Julia needs to get back in the morgue. Don't even get we started on how much I disliked the two parter. Talk about an annoying and disappointing episode(s). Anna better be gone for good, I find her unbearable to watch now. I think I can guess which other role you think Julia could play in S6 coughprofilercough. That I could see happening, but even then they'd have limited reasons for her being in episodes. I want her back as the pathologist, it's what she does best. All I can say is that satisfying ending they promised to S5 better be all they promised, and it better include some W/J. I think I can guess how they could give us an ending for them that would work while things are still unresolved in the present. That will probably give you hint of what I am thinking Anyway, fingers crossed for the last part of this series to save it. Because otherwise I am completely writting it off and hoping S6 goes back to the MM it used to be. I agree with Petunia that it's all been boring and their experiments with changing the format hasn't worked, infact it almost ruined the show. They need to stop messing about with what wasn't broken, get back the old dynamics in S6 and bring back W/J. Because without them this show is a snoozefest, that can't be denied. Agree with you Murdochic The format season 5 is really weird.Its probably because Helen Joy was not available but I agree, I think it did ruin the show. I just hope Julia will be in every episode next year. It will be a shame if they keep ruining a great show. I do understand the actors want to quit at some point but they still should commit as much as possible to the success of the show that decided to start. Yannick is commited according to what I saw and hear on the internet but the character of Julia is mostly important to it too. Please Helen, stay until the end and make us all happy. The julia character with the Murdoch character is crucial to the success of MM. Without that interaction between the 2 characters, it's not the same and the vibe is gone, for me anyway. I dont want it to be a repeat of Stargate sg1 and the x-files when some of the lead characters left the show for 2 seasons and came back and offered the fans the "too little, too late" thingie. I hope for a great end of season 5 and a smashing season 6. Bring on the great storylines with some great character interactions and hopefully , resolving the ship in a few great scenes. Julia better be in all of S6 or I can't promise I'll watch all of it. I found this series so tedious that I just won't waste my time on another like it. Surely they can get Helene for S6, she is contracted afterall, they should just demand she be there for filming. Hopefully the new channel have done just that. Because they must know S5 hasn't worked. |
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Post by murdochic on May 7, 2012 21:42:22 GMT
I hope Dr. Grace is gone after S5, too. I don't find her enjoyable to watch. There is something that will happen in Murdoch Night in Canada that will hopefully allow for her exit, but I'm not holding my breath since it doesn't seem that Julia will be working in the morgue again in S6. I think you're right about Julia's new role because she supposedly has been studying psychology on her hiatus from practicing medicine. Probably with Dr. Roberts since he'll be in the next episode, too. It could still be that she and William work together closely. It's possible that it will work. I'm willing to be open to it. I have a feeling Anna will probably be in another episode or two in S6. I like her and I'm not worried that she will replace Julia in William's life. If Julia becomes a profiler she'd be employed by the police department and she would definitely work closely with William as the lead detective at the station. So she would be a major presence again. The issue is they'd have a problem thinking of a reason why she would need to profile in every storyline, which means she could get skipped in episodes. And I can't deal with that again. That is my only possible objection to that being her new role. Dr Grace is just not Julia and never will be, so seeing her every episode instead would annoy me yet again. S6 is likely the last of MM, so I hope they do it properly because this supposed last series has been disgusting in quality and the writers/producers should be ashamed of themselves that they actually thought that is was suitable to end what was a really good show. As for Darcy, just kill him off between S5 and S6. It wouldn't be differcult to say he'd died in an accident during the hiatus. That way we get rid of that problem, W/J can be resurrected and we don't have to see her grieve onscreen, at least not much. IMO this is the only way to redeem the show and make S6 workable and watchable. They need more W/J and more Julia. Also, how do you know she won't be back in the morgue for S6? I can't see spoilers being leaked this early. As for Anna, it's not down to W/J I don't like her. I just find her unbearable to watch, and she wants William to be someone else, she doesn't love him for exactly who he is. Anyway there's no reason for Anna to come back now. Her bridges are burned in Toronto. If she comes back she, William and Julia would all be killed by the Blackhand. William would be sacked for faking a death, and Anna and Julia could get charged for their parts in a fraud. That exit was the next best thing to killing her, IMO it's killed any chance of seeing her again. Thank god. |
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Post by murdochic on May 7, 2012 21:44:34 GMT
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Post by hannikan on May 7, 2012 22:06:44 GMT
Of course I don't know for sure. I just have heard from others who have inside knowledge (ie: have seen all the filmed episodes in special advance screenings before they aired on TV) that Julia will have "a new role in S6." That to me suggests she will not be back in the morgue, at least not at the beginning of S6. Given the write up about the last 3 episodes of S5, I think we can safely say that a profiler or psychiatrist working for the police will be her new role. I agree with you that it's possible that she will not appear in every episode, which could get to be like S5. But at least when she does appear, she should be working closely with William, unlike in S5. Helene is probably contracted not to appear in every episode anyway. She is probably contracted to be in at least ____ number of episodes per season. And her contract has probably been renegotiated each year or every 2 years. So the contract she had when the show started is probably not exactly like the one she is working under now.
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