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Post by petunia on May 8, 2012 0:18:39 GMT
Well if S6 is a continuation of S5, then I am done with this show. I have had to force myself to watch most of S5 anyway. While I do miss Julia, I think that there is more than that wrong with the show now. Staircase to heaven is a good example... There were effectively two stories in one episode. With only 45 minutes, it does not give a lot of time to develop either, and in my opinion, both stories were boring. When I saw that both Jennings and Mitchell were writing for this episode, I assumed that they would cooperate on the story. However, from what we saw, it seemed like Jennings wrote the NDE and Mitchell wrote the Brakenreid/George story. Could they have not cooperated into one good story instead instead of two bad ones? Both have proven to be more than able to write good stories. What kind of decision making is that???
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Post by hannikan on May 8, 2012 3:21:59 GMT
Mm, that's a possibility petunia. They may have split the script I suppose. They've done split plot episodes before though (Convalescence, Murdoch Identity, Buffalo Shuffle). I don't think that in and of itself is always a problem, though I think it's an extra challenge for the writers. I agree that it isn't only Julia's absence that is a problem with S5. I enjoyed some of the episodes without her. But having her gone for so long and when she returns not being integrated into the stationhouse, is a big problem. I do wonder if in S6 they will pair Emily in the morgue with George doing the nitty gritty, while William goes out in the field and then consults with Julia about the psychology of the case. Since I see little chemistry between George and Emily, I don't think that will work well. And William still needs to be the focus of the episodes. If he splits the solving of cases more in half with George, that probably won't feel right either.
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Post by catymurdoch on May 8, 2012 10:40:35 GMT
I can just see Julia as a profiler. She could be really good at defining the culprit's behaviour and She can always answer psychological questions that William is asking specially towards the end of season 4 like in blood lust and others too from earlier seasons. And each time she does it, she makes a joke and becomes quite flirty too, making William raise his eyebrows. I would really like to see all those smiles and flirtiness that we saw before hand . Now William is quite miserable and Julia is very miserable. Not fair, We want closure by the end of season 6.  |
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Post by murdochic on May 8, 2012 21:32:48 GMT
After Murdoch In Toyland I am so much more hopeful for how this series will end and how S6 will be. It got to back to it's basics in this episode and my god was it all the better for it. An episode that would easily have fitted into S1-3. W/J are resurrected to some degree, their love was acknowledged by the show and characters. So now they can't go back to what we've had from ep 3-10 this series, that boring W/J vacuum. And it's wasn't just the romance that had improved, the whole thing felt more exciting, better written and more focused. If they write like this in the last two episodes and S6 then the show can be saved.
They seriously need to get rid of Darcy now. His existence is helping to ruin the show, then they need Julia back interacting with everyone in whatever role, just something professional and frequent. This episode felt so much better to have all the gang in scenes together once again, and to have the W/J spark back. It livened up the show a lot. My favourite episode of S5 so far without a doubt. Infact it may stay my favourite unless the finale outshines it. I am actually smiling after watching an episode for the first time in weeks, possibly since S4. I want to rewatch Murdoch in Toyland, now that isn't something I've said through the whole series. Great to see James Gillies back, a nice throwback to the shows better times.
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Post by barbarama on May 9, 2012 4:38:30 GMT
I completely agree with what you just said murdochic  This episode is definitely my favorite of season 5 even if I liked others, this one is high above the rest of them and reminded me why I got so addicted to the show in the first place with the previous seasons. The fact that every character is in the show brings the dynamic and the sparks back. I really hope that the quality I saw tonight is there to stay (even if I am not sure Julia is in next week episode), it makes me hopeful for the last episode and season 6 as well |
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Post by hannikan on May 9, 2012 5:22:05 GMT
Yeah, she's not as far as I can tell. She will be in the finale though. Hopefully, not just in William's dreams!
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Post by murdochic on May 9, 2012 13:05:17 GMT
We know Julia is in the finale in person because that's how he finds out she's been studying psychology. The Alibi synopsis sounds like she'll take an active part in the case. And I expect William to have a vision of a future for them together. Then S6 will resolve how that happens.
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Post by hannikan on May 9, 2012 19:29:00 GMT
Yeah, she's definitely in the finale. That's right; it does mention he runs into her again and she tells him about studying psych. Originally that sounded like it would happen in Murdoch in Toyland. That's why I thought her near death experience would be off screen. It definitely wasn't! |
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Post by murdochic on May 9, 2012 20:17:25 GMT
Yeah, she's definitely in the finale. That's right; it does mention he runs into her again and she tells him about studying psych. Originally that sounded like it would happen in Murdoch in Toyland. That's why I thought her near death experience would be off screen. It definitely wasn't! It also said he's really happy to see her. So I expect more of the scenes we got yesterday. Their happiness at being around eachother. And hopefully the psychology helps Julia see she's made a mistake with Darcy, and to help sort out the issues W/J have had in the past. |
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Post by hannikan on May 9, 2012 20:51:09 GMT
Yeah, I hope so, too. They should do couple's counseling if it had existed back then! Then they could work through all their baggage. I think Julia knew she made a mistake with Darcy when he prevented her from taking a stand on birth control and pushed her out of his public life by telling her he didn't want to be seen with her. She had a look then that knew that she had picked the wrong man. Even though we also know she already still had feelings for William, that was the final nail in the coffin of the Darcy/Julia relationship.
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Post by petunia on May 10, 2012 0:16:53 GMT
I just finished watching Murdoch in Toyland and I must agree with all the previous posts; this episode has been by a wide margin the best one so far in S5. I must admit though that I was a bit worried when I read some of the spoilers regarding William letting his emotion show in this epi. I was worried that we would see the return of the William of the two parter where he was so out of character. I was wrong. While William was definitively less "buttoned up" then he normally is, this time it was done correctly; not overdone like in the two parter.
The scary dolls, the return of an old enemy, Julia's return. It was all excellent. Hopefully this can be carried for the last 2 episodes.
As for S6: Easy recipe
1. Get rid of Emily Grace. Making us believe that a woman could be a doctor(Julia) in 1895 was a stretch. Making us believe that TWO could be is asking too much of us fans. Grace was written so we would forget about Julia... Wrong!!! Get rid of her.
2. Bring back Julia in the morgue. Add profiling to her skills.
3. If you are going to keep those new writers then make them do some homework.
4. Don't care if you bring Anna back. It makes a handful of British fans happy. Just do not make William be all lovie dovie with her one epi, and then back in love with Julia 2 epis later like you did this year.
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Post by hannikan on May 10, 2012 0:55:11 GMT
I agree about #1 especially. There were female doctors in this period but esp. female coroners working for the police? No, there really were not and would not have been. While Julia could have been an anomaly, having Emily be a second right when they need a replacement is way too big of a stretch. And there was no discussion among the characters of how unusual that would be either. They should have all been surprised that Julia was replaced by another woman but they acted like this was routine. It's just like the stuff with Rosa Hamilton was completely implausible in Murdoch at the Opera. I would definitely rather see Julia back in the morgue with profiling as an addition to her job description. I doubt that will happen but I would prefer it. I agree that William's feelings for Anna were hard to believe because he seemed to get over them so quickly. I think William was supposed to be fond of and attracted to Anna from the time he met her and he was trying to move on from Julia when Anna came back in S5. If she does come back in S6 though, which she probably will, I don't want to see him being lovie dovie with Anna again. Julia was off limits for William in S5 so for me that was okay. I hope if Anna tries to get him back in S6 his answer will be no.
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Post by murdochic on May 10, 2012 17:28:33 GMT
I don't think they should bring Anna back ever again, not after what happened in this series. Three times with the William actually prefers Julia round-about was boring enough. Four times is just a complete joke. Not to mention resurrecting the Black Hand storyline for a third time and having to find a way for her to escape a third time is ridiculous. The writers burned Anna's bridges this in the two-parter, they showed William will never love her as he should, he'll never be the man she wants, and she is meant to be dead. Her, William and Julia would not only be in danger with the Black Hand because of that should the truth come out, they would also be in trouble with the police for faking a death without their knowledge and permission. That is fraud. The storyline was resolved this series, Anna is free and has a new life traveling, leave it there. Anything more is tedious, repetative and unbelievable. Surely no-one actually believes W/A have any chance of a future anymore, that was brushed aside as well. It has no reason to be resurrected. It's not like W/A were even left open as a couple, they parted on good terms and as friends. There's no more to to be said or done there, not when the writers have had all the main character acknowledge the love and bond of W/J yet again.
I'm not bothered about Dr Grace being unbelievable, I just want Julia back in the morgue. Because she's a better pathologist than Emily, she works better with the team and she needs a reason to be onscreen. Murdoch in Toyland showed how amazing the show is when they stick to their winning formula. That is what they need in S6, not more experiments, more Anna or more Dr Grace. Get rid of what spoilt this series that is those two, Julia's lack of screentime and Darcy's existence. Plus not taking notice of how the show should be written.
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Post by barbarama on May 10, 2012 17:59:13 GMT
Well if you go on twitter with the CBC Murdoch page or on Facebook with MM appreciation society page, there are pictures of the cast and Georgina Reilly is definitely there so Dr. Grace is here to stay. I don't really mind that as long as her character shows more empathy or vulnerability (something that I haven't seen much in season 5) and as long as Julia is back full time helping with investigations and also getting her relationship to William back together than I will be happy ;D I don't think it is a bad idea to introduce new character(s), it shakes things up, as long as it is not at the expense of a concept that is already working and except for few episodes that I liked without Julia ("Who killed the electric carriage" and "Invention Convention") I can see the difference when it is an episode she is part of |
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Post by murdochic on May 10, 2012 19:50:59 GMT
I have only liked two complete episodes in S5, Murdoch in Toyland and Murdoch at the Opera. I haven't enjoyed any of the others at all or on the most part. That's minus the Julia stuff in episode two, because at least in those scenes the show felt normal. Everything else has been nothing but a disappointment for me on varying degrees, and not just because of the lack of Julia. The whole thing has felt off. The writing has been substandard.
Fine, if Emily must stay I'll live with it. I don't dislike her I just feel she is a stand-in at the morgue. If she's staying they are going to have to make her presence seem real, and not just as a substitute. They haven't done that in S5. And they need to drop any idea of George/Emily, they have no chemistry and it's a lame rip-off of W/J. Which isn't needed now they have resurrected their love. Have both G/E get individual guest love interests, don't just throw them together for the sake of it because they think the copper/pathologist combo works. It only worked with W/J because they actually had chemistry. The writers seem to feel like they can substitute all the good parts of the show for inferior replacements and it will be as great. It isn't, and I hope S5 has made them realise that. S5 have been a bit of a failure and they must see that.
If Julia can't be pathologist then she better be hired by the police department as a profiler. They need her back on the team in whatever role, and in every or almost every episode. Her dynamic is what has been missing in most of the storylines, and not just with William. I like her chemistry with George and Brackenreid. I even like her chemistry with Emily, those two are actually good in scenes together. So if Emily has to stay around then have her and Julia work closely together in S6 as profiler and pathologist, they could work well together and make Emily seem more a part of the team. Then they need more W/J scenes in the next series, this last episode showed how much their storyline livens things up. Take them on another slow burn during again, that's okay. Just so long as they're colleagues once more, the attraction is present in their scenes, and in late S6 their romance is resolved once and for all in a happy way.
I don't anticipant a S7, because I believe this current one will lose the show viewers that won't be back for the next so a furthur one won't be wanted. Look at the UK ratings, they are down on last year, there is a good reason for that. The show didn't deserve as strong a ratings for the bad quality we've had to put up with lately. I hope S6 is a more respectful and better ending to the show.
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