13. Twentieth Century Murdoch

[Lucy]

Murdoch meets a man who says he can travel in time to prevent crimes.

[barbarama]

I am excited for this one because the entire cast is back ;D and I am intrigued by the story as well!!!

However I am sad that it is the last episode of the season and I am starting to experience withdrawal symptoms, how will I cope waiting until January!!!!!!

[Lucy]

I'm still a bit unsure about the time machine though

[barbarama]

Me too we will just have to wait and see how it plays out!! 4 more days!!!

[catymurdoch]

I can't wait for that episode and looks like the W/J love thingie will b resolved at last. I think Julia will come to William to tell him that Darcy and her r over. That will make William dream of her life with Julia again and the time machine either true or not will be a great sequence towards that is great. I don't care if it's true or not as long as I see a smile on William and Julia's face in reality , I will b happy with that. Now William or Julia can just just dream about anything else. I don't mind. I think it will b William's dream in that episode though but I may b wrong!!! Only saying that because of the pic I saw with William and the time machine. I hopr if it's a wish, it's something like dinosaur fever but a bit longer. I really hope that they will have a chile together eventually and that Julia was wrong about that sterility thingie due to her abortion. That would b brilliant if as a doc she was wrong. I hope the future is just happiness for both of them coz they deserve it after all they went through. A love made in heaven. I wish them both all the best and they r great for each other. They complemente each other in such a big way. Julia with her humor and flirtineess and William with his logic and seriousness. A great match. and if we can see them working together in season 6 , William as a great detective and Julia as the profiler, then we will have a great pair of MM working together at station 4 and we can even see Julia working with Emily when that one gets stuck because let's face it, Julia has the experience and Emily could get stuck from time to time and needs Julia's help too. I hope this is where the writers r going too and hope Helen Joy is available full time otherwise , it could b quite lame to end up the show with a bad season 5 and just a ok season 6. They need a great season 6 and the team needs to b all back full time, and that means Julia too with William, George, Thomas and Higgins and perhaps Emily if they want to keep her.

[hannikan]

I really doubt there will be too much movement forward on William and Julia. I don't think that will come until S6. I think there will be some hints that things will be ending with Darcy and Julia but I don't know that it will happen in the finale. We'll see.

[murdochic]

Something will happen with W/J IMO. The producers said S5 ended in a way that fans would be happy with. That almost certainly means the time machine somehow resolves W/J in the viewers minds. Obviously in the present they can't move forward much with them unless Julia says she's left Darcy, which I doubt has happened. I still believe he will be killed off in S6. But in the future dreams or visions I think William (and/or Julia) will see him and Julia together with a child, so he/she knows and the viewers know that somehow things will work out for them and they do have a future in store. Then S6 can show us how they resolve the Darcy issue. I would be very surprised if S5 doesn't end with the show spelling out that W/J will get end up reuniting. It was meant to be the end afterall, and they deliberately resurrected W/J in Murdoch in Toyland, so they wanted the series ending on them as the cental love story. Unless they have reshot parts of the episode, we can and should expect a partial resolution. Though all the main work will be in S6 as they can't backtrack on their own ending if it does go as I suspect.

As for them having a child I seriously doubt Julia was mistaken about her fertility issues. She isn't getting pregnant with Darcy afterall. So any child they have will likely be an adopted baby, and after William came to terms with that idea at the end of S3 it shouldn't cause them anymore issues once they are reconciled.

[catymurdoch]

You r probably right murdochic about the adopted child issue but that little boy does look like William a little. They didn't pick a blond little boy. so yes we will see! and for the W/J I think we will have a smile between each other and Julia looking at him like she wants him, similar to the scene that we had in blood lust, not the last scene obviously but the one before when she had blood on her hand and cracked a job, just after that if u see what I mean! They looked at each other like they wanted each other and Julia focussed and William's lips. Anyway, I like those kind of scenes. She is really good at it. Then they can dream, will b just fine. I also think that we will have a hint that Julia and Darcy r over or nearly over because of what happened in Murdoch in toyland. I can't wait for tuesday and will make sure I have my recording sky box set up. Then we can all fill tons of pages on the subject, right here. I also hope the murder case is great.

[murdochic]

I doubt Julia and Darcy are over yet. But I do think Julia will somehow get across to the audience that their marriage isn't good, like she did Murdoch in Toyland. Only it is probably even worse now. I also think we'll get a look at least, but more than that. I think we'll get something more solid as it was meant to be the end, so a full-on vision is more likely.

As for the child most people are brunettes so it's not surprising an adopted child would be. I just don't see William having a child to anyone but Julia, in the past or in the future. And as she's sterile that has to mean the child is adopted. Logically it makes the most sense. William isn't the type that would ever have left a woman pregnant and alone. And after the way the show laid it on in Murdoch in Toyland him marrying someone else to have a child seems almost impossible, it would only be realistic if Julia was killed off in S6. Which isn't likely.

[hannikan]

I agree that there will be some dreams about the future that include William and Julia. Of course, they're not through. In real time, I don't think there will be much forward movement until S6. I wonder if there will be any kind of cliffhanger of any type though. There wasn't in S1 or 2 so there doesn't have to be. I think the child is very likely a child they will adopt/dream of adopting in the future. After all, William has said he would like to adopt. So even if Julia does turn out to be able to have children by the end of the show, I still think they will adopt. If she can't bear children, that's fine, too. That's reality and after having a badly performed abortion in her case, very possible. The boy does look like William and he's also named William Murdoch Jr. If they adopt a boy of his age, he'd already have a name. William wouldn't insist on renaming a child after him. That would be strange. That's the only reason why I've thought it could be a child William didn't know about from a previous relationship. He would never leave a pregnant woman but if the relationship ended before she knew she was pregnant and she raised the child herself until this point, he wouldn't have known. Since the kid is about 8 or so, it would be before he knew Julia or Anna or Enid. It would probably have to be Ettie Weston, who there was some vague hints that they may have had an encounter long ago. I know this idea upsets people who think he is too religious to have entertained a prostitute but it is possible. The only other possibility for the child to have his name is that some relative had a child, named him after William, then dies and asks William to take care of him. Then, in the future, William and Julia adopt the child as their own. The child could then look somewhat like William, too. It wouldn't be his sister's child since she was a nun since she was very young but it could be Jasper's, I suppose. Or some cousin of William's we've not yet met.

[murdochic]

We don't know when the child is about 8. It could be 10 years down the line from 5x13, so if they adopted a new born baby they would be the ones naming it. Therefore the child could easily be called William Jr and have dark hair, it doesn't mean it's any biological relation to William. I don't think a 8-year-old kid will just pop up in Murdoch's life. I think the child will be in a vision and that explains the age.

Your second suggestion actually isn't really possible. The tv movies showed how torn William was about sleeping with Ettie because she was a prostitute. It was a massive deal to him, it went against his religious beliefs. So to then say he'd had child to a prostitute would be totally rewriting the history of the show, as the movies are directly connected to the main series. The events are canon. IMO it's out of the question.

[hannikan]

If it is a vision of a child born to them in the future, then absolutely they would be naming it. If the child comes into their life now at the age the actor is shown, they wouldn't be. Most of the time in this era people weren't adopting babies, as is usually the case today. They were adopting older children, usually children whose parents had died. So I was assuming the boy would be being adopted at about the age he is appearing. Before we didn't know about this time machine um, stuff. So I was basing my idea of the child being adopted in real time. But you're right that now that we know about the visions/dreams, etc... it probably will be a future/looking ahead thing. Yet again, which is totally retreading what they did in Dinosaur Fever. I haven't seen the movies so I wouldn't have that as a reference.

[catymurdoch]

Got to be a vision / or dream like dinosaur fever but this time , we get to know the name of the boy. What I find strange is that boy looks different from the dinosaur fever boy!!! smaller in built and better looking too. Whatever happens, I bet we will all like it and the W/J fans will, I think ,be rewarded. As I can see, looks like most of the fans love William and Julia. It is the majority and the writers did start it that way. We only followed what they gave or fed us with.
Bring on the love and the great MM back on track.

[murdochic]

You should watch the movies. They're on YouTube. They're a bit darker in tone to the series but good. You get to see W/J meet, get to see the start of their feelings, and you'll really understand that scene Murdoch had with Ettie in the Green Muse. Plus, you'll see the case that William once mentioned to George, where he and Julia first worked together two years earlier. It's good that they continued the show from the movies even if they're all completely different actors. I like we got to see W/J from the very start of their romance, even if it was very slow burn in the movies. As Ettie was a big rival love interest. Much more so than Anna and Enid have ever been. But Julia was always there as a big love interest from the get go, and it was always clear they were well suited.

Julia is a doctor who deals with a lot of pregnant women in her clinic. So she will have made a lot of acquitances, it's not unbelievable that one of those women knew or heard about her from the clinic and go to her for help over an unwanted pregnancy. Julia and William then take the child when it's born. It could explain why the writers expressly had Julia dealing with pregnancy as a GP. It's an easy story leap to help W/J find a baby in the future. I think it's very likely William Jr is just a vision at this point, I don't think he's been born yet.

[catymurdoch]

That is a good point, murdochic. The conception, abortion and contraception storyline is important and I suppose it will carry on in season 6 otherwise why bother have a 2 parter with Julia dealing with it to just drop the subject!! May b , u r right about Julia and being asked to look after a baby. May b she will even find a new born abandonned at the door step clinic with a little message to raise him up. We know George was dropped at a church as a new born so in 1900, it must have still have been popular that a young girl may not have been able to look after a child like George's mum explained to him.
But I think the boy we see is purely a vision/dream for tuesday 's episode. I believe in season 6, we will probably get a real scene with a baby coming to Julia's life and William obviously. An abandonned baby is perhaps what I see more as part of a case, they investigate and they keep him and adopt him and call him William Jr. Now , we just have to wait.