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Post by randomkiwibirds on Mar 8, 2013 1:29:51 GMT
The only thing I feel this episode lacked was at the end Eva running into Darcy.
That would have been epic.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Mar 8, 2013 2:14:16 GMT
^^THIS! Who knows? It could still happen!
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Post by hannikan on Mar 10, 2013 4:51:36 GMT
I liked W/J didn't get jealous of Eva and Darcy. In the past they would have gotten over things like that but they are so secure in each others feelings now. They don't feel threatened by third parties or outside forces. I also liked that Julia was amused by Williams subconscious attraction to Eva so she could tease him over it. Their relationship isn't any less interesting this series, it's just matured. The almost married behaviour they show is refreshing after five series of obstacles of one kind or another. This is the first series where I don't worry that their relationship will be broken up, they feel settled at last. Darcy is just being a spoiled brat. It was initially his decision to let Julia go. He knows she only wants William, so it's petty to change his mind because he's got a bruised ego. I don't think his actions are about loving her, he doesn't want to lose. I don't have any sympathy for anything that will happen to him. His own childish actions will cause his troubles. Nice to finally see Emily and Julia have a scene. Those have been seriously lacking this series, I wish they'd start interacting more again. I always liked their dynamic. I also like Brackenreid's dynamic with the girls, we need more of that. I have a feeling we'll be seeing Eva again, that won't be the last crime she's involved in. Yeah, that is how I feel, too. I doubt we'll see too much more of Julia and Emily this season. Maybe in S7? I want them to organize the clinic still. It would have been very hard in those days, but maybe they will find a way. Since Eva said she was watching William, she may know more or soon learn more about his relationship with Julia and use that to her advantage. She may try to frame one or both of them if she feels angry about something that happens. I couldn't help thinking she was very similar in her tactics to Sally Pendrick/Hubbard. |
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Post by shangas on Mar 11, 2013 21:23:50 GMT
I don't know about the rest of you, but I found this to be a rather forgettable episode. Nothing really stuck out to me, and I found it...not hard to follow...but just...boring. There were no startling revelations, no serious intrigue...I nearly fell asleep watching it.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 13, 2014 14:09:29 GMT
Sooo, do we know for a fact that Eva Pierce has hung yet? Because if William needs a nemesis, I vote for Eva Pierce or Sally Pendrick over James Gillies. Those two ladies have a way of getting into William's head and manipulating him far more than Gillies. Yes, he reacts to Gillies, but he reacts in anger, horror, or disgust. But these two ladies have a way of making him react all too willingly-which given his morals, ethics, and relationship with Julia, is all the more intriguing to me.
Please, can we all just hope and pray that Gillies stays dead, and they don't try to resurrect him? Please? Please?
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Post by snacky on Sept 13, 2014 17:20:24 GMT
Sooo, do we know for a fact that Eva Pierce has hung yet? Because if William needs a nemesis, I vote for Eva Pierce or Sally Pendrick over James Gillies. Those two ladies have a way of getting into William's head and manipulating him far more than Gillies. Yes, he reacts to Gillies, but he reacts in anger, horror, or disgust. But these two ladies have a way of making him react all too willingly-which given his morals, ethics, and relationship with Julia, is all the more intriguing to me. Please, can we all just hope and pray that Gillies stays dead, and they don't try to resurrect him? Please? Please? Yes, it's about time that the super evil mastermind moriarty person was a woman! But you realize Eva would have to escape for that - which would make her another Gillies! At least Sally is still at large. William is such a gentleman that his kryptonite is women: that might actually help him "modernize" a bit in the end, if he starts to realize traditional views are a weakness. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 13, 2014 17:36:50 GMT
Sooo, do we know for a fact that Eva Pierce has hung yet? Because if William needs a nemesis, I vote for Eva Pierce or Sally Pendrick over James Gillies. Those two ladies have a way of getting into William's head and manipulating him far more than Gillies. Yes, he reacts to Gillies, but he reacts in anger, horror, or disgust. But these two ladies have a way of making him react all too willingly-which given his morals, ethics, and relationship with Julia, is all the more intriguing to me. Please, can we all just hope and pray that Gillies stays dead, and they don't try to resurrect him? Please? Please? Yes, it's about time that the super evil mastermind moriarty person was a woman! But you realize Eva would have to escape for that - which would make her another Gillies! At least Sally is still at large. William is such a gentleman that his kryptonite is women: that might actually help him "modernize" a bit in the end, if he starts to realize traditional views are a weakness. It totally needs to be a woman! If not Sally/Eva, then someone else who gets into his head and manipulates him. I completely agree that William's gentlemanly behavior is a weakness in the face of these women. He'd never allow a man to get in his mind the way he's allowed Sally and Eva. They're the perfect Moriarty. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 13, 2014 18:53:26 GMT
Yes, it's about time that the super evil mastermind moriarty person was a woman! But you realize Eva would have to escape for that - which would make her another Gillies! At least Sally is still at large. William is such a gentleman that his kryptonite is women: that might actually help him "modernize" a bit in the end, if he starts to realize traditional views are a weakness. It totally needs to be a woman! If not Sally/Eva, then someone else who gets into his head and manipulates him. I completely agree that William's gentlemanly behavior is a weakness in the face of these women. He'd never allow a man to get in his mind the way he's allowed Sally and Eva. They're the perfect Moriarty. Also, we need to learn who William has been playing chess with all these years. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 13, 2014 19:39:36 GMT
It totally needs to be a woman! If not Sally/Eva, then someone else who gets into his head and manipulates him. I completely agree that William's gentlemanly behavior is a weakness in the face of these women. He'd never allow a man to get in his mind the way he's allowed Sally and Eva. They're the perfect Moriarty. Also, we need to learn who William has been playing chess with all these years. He doesn't know! He makes a move, and the next time he walks in, someone has made their countermove. It turns out that it was Sally, who is now working with Eva Pierce and who now try to convince him that the other is the responsible party. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 13, 2014 23:31:27 GMT
Also, we need to learn who William has been playing chess with all these years. He doesn't know! He makes a move, and the next time he walks in, someone has made their countermove. It turns out that it was Sally, who is now working with Eva Pierce and who now try to convince him that the other is the responsible party. I was hoping it was Sally!
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Post by snacky on Feb 7, 2015 4:28:00 GMT
Watching this episode made The Devil Wears Whale Bone look a bit amateurish. Eva Pearce is much more subtle in conveying how she is getting away with it, the mystery a lot more solidly conveyed, and the whole episode just seems more polished. The Devil Wears Whale Bone has a lot of great scenes - and the corset idea is terrific - but the whole thing isn't put together that smoothly. And the woman who got away with it is pretty obvious about it.
Also, I wonder why William felt compelled to share his dream of kissing Eva with Julia. It seems like the sort of thing a man would keep to himself - especially when Julia has a history of insecurity, and she's already pointed out how seductive Eva can be. And William has a history of falling for intelligent, assertive, out-of-the-ordinary women.
I wonder if William and Julia were making out, and William's subconscious took over for a minute...or perhaps he muttered Eva's name in his sleep, and Julia wanted to know why?
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Post by Fallenbelle on Feb 7, 2015 11:00:24 GMT
Watching this episode made The Devil Wears Whale Bone look a bit amateurish. Eva Pearce is much more subtle in conveying how she is getting away with it, the mystery a lot more solidly conveyed, and the whole episode just seems more polished. The Devil Wears Whale Bone has a lot of great scenes - and the corset idea is terrific - but the whole thing isn't put together that smoothly. And the woman who got away with it is pretty obvious about it. Also, I wonder why William felt compelled to share his dream of kissing Eva with Julia. It seems like the sort of thing a man would keep to himself - especially when Julia has a history of insecurity, and she's already pointed out how seductive Eva can be. And William has a history of falling for intelligent, assertive, out-of-the-ordinary women. I wonder if William and Julia were making out, and William's subconscious took over for a minute...or perhaps he muttered Eva's name in his sleep, and Julia wanted to know why? In defense of TDWW, it was a send off of the Devil Wears Prada, and was therefore supposed to be a bit campy and over the top. That said, yes, I agree that MIL was a better episode. I've always thought it was interesting that Julia was more amused than jealous that William was sexually attracted to Eva-maybe that was supposed to show character growth-she was secure enough that jealous!Julia need not make an appearance. Still, is Eva going to use that to mess with Julia and to be a bit catty as well? Something along the lines of "Congratulations on your marriage. He was one of the best lovers I've ever had-you're a lucky woman. " Or something catty like it-it seems like something she'd do. As to why he told her, yeah, I've always been curious about that too. Did she sense he was hiding something (he was acting weird), or was he so wigged out he told her hoping she wouldn't get jealous? I like season 6 Jilliam because they're stable and happy-and much like I would have thought married W/J to be. Only the writers are afraid to show us much of that...  |
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Post by snacky on Feb 7, 2015 17:27:30 GMT
In defense of TDWW, it was a send off of the Devil Wears Prada, and was therefore supposed to be a bit campy and over the top. I've always thought it was interesting that Julia was more amused than jealous that William was sexually attracted to Eva-maybe that was supposed to show character growth-she was secure enough that jealous!Julia need not make an appearance. Still, is Eva going to use that to mess with Julia and to be a bit catty as well? Something along the lines of "Congratulations on your marriage. He was one of the best lovers I've ever had-you're a lucky woman. " Or something catty like it-it seems like something she'd do. As to why he told her, yeah, I've always been curious about that too. Did she sense he was hiding something (he was acting weird), or was he so wigged out he told her hoping she wouldn't get jealous? I like season 6 Jilliam because they're stable and happy-and much like I would have thought married W/J to be. Only the writers are afraid to show us much of that... I thought the campiness of TDWW was great. Heloise was perfectly cast. The corset shop setting was something like the idea of a candyshop setting - kind of a place you'd go to in a dream, and to me it adds to that surrealist idea of MM in general. So that's not the issue at all. I think the difference is in the production values - micro-edits between scenes, small edits in the writing that could have made it better (such as explaining the ratchets, explaining how the seamstress knew how to make them, making the woman who got away with murder a little less overt about it...). It is interesting that Julia seems to be above the petty games of men up to a certain point before she gets really insecure. I do look forward to seeing if Eva can use Julia's achille's heel against her. Eva is a great villain if the writers can hold off from going over the top with her. My other theory about the couch scene is Julia has been studying Freud and both William and Julia are so astounded by the new sexual psychology (this really took both Europe and America by storm and apparently dominate coffee and club chat), that William (who was also probably really turned on by the whole thing) felt oblige to help Julia with her "homework". Especially when a case came up where he could volunteer as a guinea pig! |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 7, 2015 19:03:37 GMT
I've always thought it was interesting that Julia was more amused than jealous that William was sexually attracted to Eva-maybe that was supposed to show character growth-she was secure enough that jealous!Julia need not make an appearance. Still, is Eva going to use that to mess with Julia and to be a bit catty as well? Something along the lines of "Congratulations on your marriage. He was one of the best lovers I've ever had-you're a lucky woman. " Or something catty like it-it seems like something she'd do. As to why he told her, yeah, I've always been curious about that too. Did she sense he was hiding something (he was acting weird), or was he so wigged out he told her hoping she wouldn't get jealous? I like season 6 Jilliam because they're stable and happy-and much like I would have thought married W/J to be. Only the writers are afraid to show us much of that... By S6 Julia has been through two years with Darcy when William was still devoted to her, even if she didn't realize it at the time. By the beginning of S6 she now knows that William wants her and no one else (despite his fling with Anna). There's no reason for her to be jealous or insecure about him any more. I think he told her because he was totally baffled as to why this woman had such an effect on him. I also think the answer is in his words after he admits he was attracted to her, he asked if she was a siren or something. I too would like to see W/J behave more like they did in S6, & 7. I think the writers are trying to make marriage look different but that's a mistake, the way you behave with each other doesn't change just because you've had a wedding ceremony. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 7, 2015 21:06:23 GMT
By S6 Julia has been through two years with Darcy when William was still devoted to her, even if she didn't realize it at the time. By the beginning of S6 she now knows that William wants her and no one else (despite his fling with Anna). There's no reason for her to be jealous or insecure about him any more. I think he told her because he was totally baffled as to why this woman had such an effect on him. I also think the answer is in his words after he admits he was attracted to her, he asked if she was a siren or something. I too would like to see W/J behave more like they did in S6, & 7. I think the writers are trying to make marriage look different but that's a mistake, the way you behave with each other doesn't change just because you've had a wedding ceremony. It's hard to get at what's wrong with TDWW because there is a lot that's RIGHT about it. I love the corset shop setting/theme. I love Heloise. I love that mirror scene - sexxxxy. I love William thinking a night of fun is hanging out in the morgue with two lady scientists. The murder device was gadgety, if a bit implausible. Why am I complaining? Murdoch in Ladies Wear helped me figure out the complaint - it just seemed smoother and more put together to me. Murdoch in Ladies Wear used a sewing machine while TDWW was only basted.  |
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