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Post by hannikan on Mar 27, 2013 1:54:48 GMT
It was an interesting case. I was leaning toward thinking it was about the money and that it was the nurse early on, but there were lots of distractions to make you think about other scenarios. Thomas was great in this one. We should meet his mother-in-law! Sheila McCarthy is a great actress. The only quibble I had was the Carl Rodriguez was supposed to be from Madrid, but then he said he was Catalan. I dated someone in college who was Catalan and know Catalonians are from Barcelona. I suppose he could have moved to Madrid for work. So I was somewhat right that Julia and William's argument was partly over his decision to save Ava Moon/Constance Gardner instead of talk to Julia before she married Darcy. I'm glad they resolved the argument. I am sympathetic to both their positions. I think when William originally told Julia why he didn't stop her wedding, she was understanding given the circumstances with Ava Moon and Cudmore. Julia would have been sympathetic to her and she probably helped William through his feelings of guilt about it. She was just upset about it given the dilemma they're in now and that they wouldn't be if William had told her how he felt back then. I also blame George a little bit in that because he didn't give William Julia's letter until right before the wedding. She actually wrote it several days beforehand when William was still in jail and she wasn't allowed to speak to him.
I liked seeing Julia and Emily working as a team and sharing confidences. I loved Emily's face when William came into Julia's office suddenly and they had just been talking about him. It was funny when they were in the church, Emily said she thought William and Julia should just live in sin and then the minister walked up. I wouldn't say that I liked the stuff with Darcy, but I did like that it showed the inequalities under the law btwn a man having affairs vs woman. As Julia said, just adultery wasn't enough for a woman to divorce a man, he had to be beating her as well. Incidentally, wife beating alone wasn't enough either. It was considered perfectly legal for a man to hit his wife if she "disobeyed him" or didn't "keep to her place." Really infuriating. I do wonder of Darcy has not believed Julia that she and William are not actually having sex. I'm sure she has made that clear to him, but he may not believe it. Not that that excuses his actions (and calling her a whore) but I wonder. Darcy wasn't a good husband to Julia by the middle of S5 anyway. She wanted to end their marriage because his attitude toward her made her no longer love him. And that made her realize she was still in love with William. Anyway, it's going to be a long hiatus until ep.12. Only the 2 parter left to go!
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Mar 27, 2013 2:05:04 GMT
Sure the case was rather far fetched but other than that, I pretty much enjoyed every minute of it! There were a LOT of funny lines in this one. With things such as "Detective, has anyone every told you, you're a handsome man?" which was very similar to something said by the Emily character in the Air Farce spoof. Then there was "I think you and the detective should live in sin," said right before speaking with a priest. "And what the hell were you, a bloody fruit fly?" xD
As others have mentioned, I could really relate to the Alzheimer's aspect of it. It seems like most elderly people end up with some form of dementia nowadays. I love how this show can manage to be so relevant even now! But it is a bit disheartening that they haven't made much progress to managing this disease any better.
Loved, loved, loved Julia's new outfit! Where has it been all season?
They fought more than I was expecting but I think it was well down and like Barb said, both sides had valid points.
Anyway, Julia's final comment about dealing with Darcy leaves me wondering what exactly she means by that. But most likely something or should I say someone will deal with him for them?
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Mar 27, 2013 2:08:19 GMT
Really Hannah? She wrote the letter days before? How do you know that?
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Post by hannikan on Mar 27, 2013 2:29:19 GMT
Really Hannah? She wrote the letter days before? How do you know that? Because she left it on George's typewriter right after she and Ruby wrote it. Then, days later, George gave it to William and said, "I'm sorry it me so long to give you this. I meant to but it's been so busy I forgot." She would have left it in William's office, but then he would have only gotten it after he was released from jail. By leaving it on George's she thought he would give it to him right away. |
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Post by hannikan on Mar 27, 2013 2:43:22 GMT
Yes, I liked the Alzeimer's aspect, too. My grandma had it for as long as I can remb, but she got every bit as crazy as Felicity Dawes at the end of her life. She thought my grandpa was a peeping tom. It was really sad.  All the women in her family have had it. She died from a stroke and her other sisters died from cancer. I'm actually writing a fan fiction set in the 1920's that includes some about Alzeimer's. It still wasn't a categorized condition yet then. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Mar 27, 2013 14:59:56 GMT
Yeah I guess you're right. By my calculations it's about 40 hours later, which is longer than I originally thought. She showed up at the station house at night and placed it on George's typewriter. (Honestly though, couldn't she have just snuck in to give it to him?) Murdoch has his LSD dream. The next day they break the case open, Murdoch realizes who the killer is, makes his jail break. That evening the others figure out where he went too. The case is put to bed that same night. Then the next morning or afternoon she gets married. Way to drop the ball George!
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Post by murdochic on Mar 27, 2013 15:12:01 GMT
Brilliant episode. Compelling case and characters. It was great to see Julia and Emily take a centre stage role in a case and work together. I always liked their dynamic and it's been sorely missing so far this series. As has them being so active in the crimes. I liked William's frustration coming across so much he punches Darcy, nice to see he isn't so calm about the having to wait for a divorce business. His 'uh oh' face when Brackenreid dropped in it with Julia was hilarious. It's good they finally got the unspoken about issues out in the open. They've never addressed William not stopping the wedding and the hurt that caused. And their fight being so passionate made a believable scene. The romance angle was done really well and I liked it's parallels with the Tristan/Jane. They're setting up the future events.
I laughed when Julia and Emily looked guiltily at the priest because he'd almost caught them talking about divorce and living in sin. The only thing missing from the episode was a Higgins appearance, everything else was MM at it's best. This was the best episode of S6 so far. Much better than last week's mediocre one.
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Post by barbarama on Mar 27, 2013 15:38:32 GMT
I haven't watched the episode again entirely but the fight scene I replayed it at least 6 times last night. Helene & Yannick were just at the top of their game acting wise and as for the characters of William & Julia it makes them well... humans. That situation with Darcy must be completely frustrating and infuriating and it's nice to see that it was dealt with instead of "wait and see when Darcy will change his mind"; the realistic approach of this episode made complete sense to me  |
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Post by renaissancegirl on Mar 27, 2013 15:54:09 GMT
I agree with many here that this episode had some great moments. I particularly liked the Emily/Julia dynamic as well, and I thought there was a lot going on to keep things interesting. However, I found that the reincarnation aspect--especially the way in which they had presented it here--was particularly unrealistic, and prevented me from really enjoying the episode. For one, a person who "reincarnates" does not come back looking exactly (or even remotely) the same! Perhaps the writers could have introduced the concept in a different way, rather than perpetuate some misconceptions of it.
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Post by hannikan on Mar 27, 2013 22:35:51 GMT
^ Yeah, I think those misconceptions about reincarnation would have been the way Westerners conceived of it at this time though. Carl and Felicity believed they were the reincarnated spirits of Tristan and Jane, but we as the viewers (and William, Julia, and Thomas) are not supposed to believe that they actually were. It was clear that it was in their imaginations, a romantic idea they had built up in their minds. I did find it hard to believe that Carl would think this because we had no explanation as to why he latched onto something that would have been considered such a fanciful idea. I guess he was just a very romantic fellow or he dabbled in mysticism.
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Post by petunia on Mar 27, 2013 23:03:55 GMT
I too quite enjoyed this episode. I am a big Julia fan and I have found that we have seen very little of her so far this season. Her presence has been more as a love interest for William than as a professional in her own right. This episode was one exception though as she was actively involved in the case which has been a rarity so far in S6. I thought Helene Joy did the fight scene very well. Her "you could have stopped me" seemed to have so much meaning. William could have stopped her from going to Buffalo. He could have stopped her from getting engaged by simply following her to Buffalo. He could have stopped her from getting married in S4 by showing he still had feelings for her. The list is long... William only addressed the obvious in not being able to stop the actual wedding, but in my opinion there was more to that line than William chose to admit.
Some people have commented that William should have also apologized to Julia at the end. While I am firmly convinced that the predicament they are finding themselves in is both their fault, I do agree with the way the writers wrote this out. In real life, men do not apologize and admit they made a mistake!!!!! William was true to character on this one. Julia kind of alludes to this in the "small fight" in the hallway when she says something like "now you are a psychiatrist also?" When my friend and I have "husband bashing bitch session", our favourite line is: How can men take the high road, they do not even know it exists!!!!
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Post by hannikan on Mar 28, 2013 0:14:03 GMT
I agree they both have made mistakes and decisions that have led them to where they are. I honestly think the writers would laugh at anyone who think it's all Julia's fault or all William's fault. They have purposely made the mistakes go back and forth. I agree that we haven't had enough of Julia professionally this season. In several episodes she's only on screen for a few seconds here and there. I liked when Julia said, "I don't work for you!" That brought up an interesting issue. Julia doesn't work for William, nor the constabulary anymore. She is an independent consultant of sorts. I wonder if that will ever become an issue in the future. It already did in this one where Julia's confidentiality with her patient came into conflict with William's belief that she could be the murderer. That added an interesting element to the plot and their dynamic. I could see in S7 maybe William will want Julia to do something professionally to help his case that she doesn't agree with. Or Julia wants access to police files/reports related to a patient of hers that he believes she shouldn't have access to. That could get into Thomas' dynamic with Julia, too.
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Post by shangas on Mar 28, 2013 0:29:05 GMT
I liked this episode a lot. The ending was a lot of fun. The whole thing with the W-D-J love-triangle thingy is getting rather out of hand for my tastes. But it was nice to see Murdoch land a blow in a public street. Useless Trivia: George Crabtree's typewriter is an Imperial Model 50. The show takes place in 1900. The Imperial 50 didn't come out until the 1920s.  |
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Post by hannikan on Mar 28, 2013 1:03:12 GMT
Cool! It's probably the oldest operational one they could find that they were allowed to use in a TV production.
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Post by iheartmurdoch on Mar 28, 2013 1:09:05 GMT
I didn't much like the episode. I thought it was a bit boring, honestly. Other than the W/J bits but I don't watch the show for the primarily. I'm a bit on my own on this board but I liked last week's better. Much more interesting themes and settings. But I've noticed I tend to like the eps a lot of other people don't!
And it must be hard for them to find typewriters that aren't falling apart from the 1890s!
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All the women in her family have had it. She died from a stroke and her other sisters died from cancer. I'm actually writing a fan fiction set in the 1920's that includes some about Alzeimer's. It still wasn't a categorized condition yet then.
