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Post by snacky on Apr 4, 2014 20:35:36 GMT
I hope not: popular shows can go 10 seasons in the US, and they have twice as many shows per season. There might have to be a "shake up" of some sort to re-invigorate the writers, though. But I agree if Julia and William get married, that means everyone is ready to wrap up the show. 8 seasons for a show is a really great run. I wasn't sure they'd even go past S7. That's why I'm prepared for S8 to be the last. They could continue but they'd have to let W/J be a married couple. There's only so many ways they can delay them. They've used all those ways in the last 7 seasons. I could see the next being about the lead up to a wedding mixed with the cases. And some drama there, but them actually getting married. There's plenty of obstacles the writers could use. I listed some of the traditional (to the point of cliche) ones here: murdochmysteriesfans.proboards.com/thread/688/ust-obstacles-threadHopefully, the writers are more creative than I am, though. Artificial delays would just make the show suck: upsetting both shippers and non-shippers. MM is really only in it's 4th season if they had done the normal 22-26 episodes of US TV.  MM doesn't even have the standard 100 episodes that they would need for US syndication yet.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 20:58:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 21:07:27 GMT
Yes they have to be together. Any longer and it would be ludicrous. I am conflicted about how I think the wedding should go, though. A big part of me wants them to get married as soon as possible in a very intimate ceremony: with just George and Emily as witnesses. On the other hand I think William would want it to be a bigger production, in a church with many friends present. Maybe even Harry and Jasper would show up. And of course they get involved in solving a case on their honeymoon, wherever that would be.
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Post by snacky on Apr 4, 2014 21:29:02 GMT
I just looked up the history of Stargate on Wikipedia, because I regard the situation of that show as a good comparison.
Stargate ran for 10 seasons. The first 7 seasons had 22 episodes, and the remaining 3 had 20 episodes. The 100th episode was reached in season 5. All together - 214 episodes. There were several ships on the show, but nowhere near the fan pressure for marriage. There was a bit more pressure on The X-Files (which ran for 9 seasons, 202 episodes, hit 100 in season 5, first on-screen kiss/relationship confirmation season 7). Both Stargate and X-Files were produced in Canada.
Stargate, however, is a better comparison because it was hidden away on a pay-cable channel (Showtime - not as obscure as Ovation, but still dependent on subscribers) for four seasons (97 episodes - MM isn't even there yet). At some point Stargate was syndicated so these episodes reran on a network (universal) TV channel, I believe Fox. That's where I first caught it. However, the show didn't start to build a super-fandom until SyFy purchased syndication rights during the 5th season (approx 100 episodes): SyFy is a cable channel, but it's more common than Ovation since it's a popular channel that's included in lower priced packages.
More importantly, SyFy ran Stargate every single day, several times a day, which enabled interested viewers to become rapidly familiar with the whole story arc and enabled some pretty elaborate speculation (as well as an outpouring of fanfic, vids, and other creative activity).
Showtime dropped Stargate in its 5th season, but then SyFy took it over, and the show ran for another 5 seasons. The point is the mega-popularity of Stargate did not even START until the 5th season, when it was transitioning to the SyFy channel. At that point, Stargate already had more episodes than MM does now. SyFy knew how to cultivated a cult TV show: rerun-review all week, building up fervor for a brand new episode on Fridays (which became nationally known in the US as "SyFy Fridays" on the strength of Stargate and its spin-offs).
Based on this history, it's possible that MM is just getting started, but it needs to find a good distribution deal soon before production costs outweigh its feasability. Also, the show can run as long as the writer's are still interested in it. Both X-Files and Stargate were killed by production costs, not by lack of audience. Stargate even survived some major cast changes during the last two seasons. There was a strong fan effort to renew Stargate even after 10 seasons and 200+ episodes.
Anyway, I don't think MM has to tie up all its character development in Season 8, but they will almost certainly have to if William and Julia get married.
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Post by seriousMMfan on Apr 4, 2014 22:55:02 GMT
Hi Gang. I've been a fan since day 1. I am definitely a Jilliam fan even with the sometimes ludicrous reasons to keep them apart. Season 7 has been a joy watching them rediscover the fun and playfulness that makes us want/need them to be together. I don't see William and Julia getting married as, necessarily, a death knell for the show. They each have their own careers. It is their mutual passion for solving mysteries that allows the writers to continue putting them together. That doesn't need to change. I can't wait to hear details on season 8!!!!
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Post by snacky on Apr 4, 2014 23:49:55 GMT
Hi Gang. I've been a fan since day 1. I am definitely a Jilliam fan even with the sometimes ludicrous reasons to keep them apart. Season 7 has been a joy watching them rediscover the fun and playfulness that makes us want/need them to be together. I don't see William and Julia getting married as, necessarily, a death knell for the show. They each have their own careers. It is their mutual passion for solving mysteries that allows the writers to continue putting them together. That doesn't need to change. I can't wait to hear details on season 8!!!! I think MM could still squeeze out another season or two if there was a marriage (Bones is doing that now - they managed to hold off 9 seasons before the marriage). There's a season of "complications created by marriage" and perhaps a season of physical separation for some reason or another. There could also be a passing of the torch to another as-yet-unrequited couple. I don't think George/Emily can pull that off, so basically MM would need an injection of new characters. If there is a marriage, though, it's definitely the "beginning of the end". I would rather have 10 seasons of MM than an immediate marriage, so I hope the writers come up with a not-too-ludicrous form of delay. Also, I enjoy watching William being devastated - I'm just evil that way. |
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Post by seriousMMfan on Apr 5, 2014 0:28:41 GMT
You enjoy watching William being devastated? That really is evil, lol! William is such a love puppy. I just want to see him happy. The true character development of William over the 7 seasons is his self awareness that his work, although immensely satisfying, is enhanced significantly when Julia is working with him. He has lived his life as an emotional island, since age 8, and he is willing to risk his heart for her. What's not to love about that?  The fortune teller said William would have to endure "great sacrifice" to have the woman he loves. How much more is a poor guy supposed to take? We're big fans of Bones, Castle, Stargate and Elementary in this house. Anything is possible. The trailers for Monday look like a proposal is possible. I kind of like the idea of starting S8 after the wedding with flashbacks. |
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Post by snacky on Apr 5, 2014 2:45:05 GMT
You enjoy watching William being devastated? That really is evil, lol! William is such a love puppy. I just want to see him happy. The true character development of William over the 7 seasons is his self awareness that his work, although immensely satisfying, is enhanced significantly when Julia is working with him. He has lived his life as an emotional island, since age 8, and he is willing to risk his heart for her. What's not to love about that? The fortune teller said William would have to endure "great sacrifice" to have the woman he loves. How much more is a poor guy supposed to take? We're big fans of Bones, Castle, Stargate and Elementary in this house. Anything is possible. The trailers for Monday look like a proposal is possible. I kind of like the idea of starting S8 after the wedding with flashbacks. But happiness means so much more if someone is a tortured soul first! I do like to see William really happy, too. I like your vision of the emotional arc, but I would broaden it to emotional risk-taking in general. Repairing gadgets is safe, scientific analysis is certain. Sharing his feelings with Julia has been dangerous (and perhaps more exciting because of that), but at this point the risk is almost nil. Where else can William grow under those circumstances? Ps. I think the "great sacrifice" was giving up on biological children with Julia. |
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Post by LaurenMurdoch on Apr 5, 2014 14:22:46 GMT
I'm so happy season 8 has been announced :')
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Post by murdochic on Apr 5, 2014 15:48:51 GMT
Will S8 start in September?
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Apr 5, 2014 17:02:58 GMT
Will S8 start in September? Probably. But I don't think that they've said yet. |
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Post by snacky on Apr 5, 2014 17:13:09 GMT
Will S8 start in September? Probably. But I don't think that they've said yet. That doesn't give a lot of time for writing/filming. I hope the focus continue to remain on quality, even if we have to wait until next January. |
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Post by murdochic on Apr 5, 2014 18:07:27 GMT
Probably. But I don't think that they've said yet. That doesn't give a lot of time for writing/filming. I hope the focus continue to remain on quality, even if we have to wait until next January. They had about this much time last year so they could make September-November. They don't seem to have confirmed how many episodes yet. |
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Post by lovemondays on Apr 5, 2014 19:02:36 GMT
It was exactly the same time frame last year. I wouldn't be surprised if the writers have been percolating ideas on the assumption that CBC would be smart enough to renew one of its most popular shows. Does anyone know how you find out where they are filming at any given time? They go all over southern Ontario for location shoots. It would make a fun day trip during the summer.
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Post by snacky on Apr 5, 2014 21:34:08 GMT
It was exactly the same time frame last year. I wouldn't be surprised if the writers have been percolating ideas on the assumption that CBC would be smart enough to renew one of its most popular shows. Does anyone know how you find out where they are filming at any given time? They go all over southern Ontario for location shoots. It would make a fun day trip during the summer. This schedule would bring MM closer to the American version of a "season" - 22-26 episodes of year. |
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MM doesn't even have the standard 100 episodes that they would need for US syndication yet. 
The fortune teller said William would have to endure "great sacrifice" to have the woman he loves. How much more is a poor guy supposed to take? We're big fans of Bones, Castle, Stargate and Elementary in this house. Anything is possible. The trailers for Monday look like a proposal is possible. I kind of like the idea of starting S8 after the wedding with flashbacks.
