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Post by carco on Nov 11, 2013 22:15:12 GMT
G/E aren't romantic though, they're unrealistic and cringey. That's the problem. William probably just understands her better these days. TBH I don't think those two have a good dynamic. They should have a better one by now considering how long they've worked together. But William is very standoffish with her. He isn't so much with all the others. Lol Murdochic! love your description for the G/E duo and especially "cringey". So true. George is funny but we know he has a sincere and serious side too. Maybe that's the problem with Emily, the character seems to be one dimensional even after all this time. To me she's likeable but seems just too silly and immature to be a doctor in that day and age when women doctors fought hard to be where they were. As for the William and Emily thing, I agree the dynamic wasn't that good between them. But William seems to be coming around to the fact that while she's not yet the pathologist that Julia was, he can train her to his way of doing things (like he did with George). When W and Emily talked about Julia's approach to treating people with phobias, he sensed she was being evasive in her reply, called her on it but didn't really pursue it further. I expected him to say something more to Emily but he didn't. You know, now that I think about it, that scene could possibly reflect back to William's annoying logic when he told Julia he will always support her but will not "save" her. |
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Post by murdochic on Nov 11, 2013 23:41:00 GMT
Professional he's a bit more at ease with Emily these days. But he still hasn't developed a proper social dynamic with her. Emily feels like she doesn't fit into group scenes when he's around.
William isn't the most confrontational person. He will let Julia fight her own battles with people over her psychiatry. Emily was proven wrong anyway so he didn't need to lol. Though on some level I don't think William was convinced by the treatment, not until the end. They had rigid thinking back then, even William at times.
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Post by kaybee2 on Nov 12, 2013 0:37:16 GMT
I think that the reason the conversation between William and Emily was strained when she was discussing her fear of water was that her response seemed to be akin to the thought that if a person really wanted to, they could just get over it! Since William has a fear of his own, that would be a slap in the face. It would also in a sense ridicule Julia's work in the area.
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Post by carco on Nov 12, 2013 15:29:26 GMT
Professional he's a bit more at ease with Emily these days. But he still hasn't developed a proper social dynamic with her. Emily feels like she doesn't fit into group scenes when he's around. William isn't the most confrontational person. He will let Julia fight her own battles with people over her psychiatry. Emily was proven wrong anyway so he didn't need to lol. Though on some level I don't think William was convinced by the treatment, not until the end. They had rigid thinking back then, even William at times. Hmmm....interesting observation. I hadn't really noticed how Emily acts in the group. (Probably I was guilty of being too busy trying to observe any hint of non verbal communication between W & J !! ) I'm not sure William is totally convinced yet as he would need more "treatment" with butterflies but possibly he now feels there is some value to the experience, on some level. |
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Post by carco on Nov 12, 2013 15:46:18 GMT
I think that the reason the conversation between William and Emily was strained when she was discussing her fear of water was that her response seemed to be akin to the thought that if a person really wanted to, they could just get over it! Since William has a fear of his own, that would be a slap in the face. It would also in a sense ridicule Julia's work in the area. Another interesting take on that scene. Watching the scene, I felt Emily's comments seemed to be ridiculing Julia's work. But at the time we didn't know he had a phobia himself. Knowing what we know now, it's quite possible he was secretly just trying to get a 2nd doctor's opinion on Julia's therapy. Since Emily's opinion cancelled out Julia's opinion he was back to square one. |
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Post by lea on Sept 12, 2015 15:36:37 GMT
I'm somewhat surprised there's not more butterfly discussion  1. I am always glad to have an episode with a lot of Julia and she was actually involved in the crime well 2. George certainly lets Emily boss him around. She was being fairly demanding over him catching more spiders. 3. As much as I don't like Emily & George, Higgins asking her out and George getting upset definitely cracks me up. Although, Emily not letting George have his spider back bothers me. Poor George. 4. On several occasions when William is talking about something that seems to be making him uncomfortable he has had sudden insight into a case. He's pretty good at avoiding conversations at times 5. I guess I buy William not liking butterflies? I would assume dead butterflies don't make him uneasy? He didn't even bat an eyelash at the dead butterfly earlier on. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 13, 2015 4:14:53 GMT
I'm somewhat surprised there's not more butterfly discussion 5. I guess I buy William not liking butterflies? I would assume dead butterflies don't make him uneasy? He didn't even bat an eyelash at the dead butterfly earlier on. I don't discuss it much because I'm in denial of the whole idea - it takes place in an alternative MM universe for me like The Filmed Adventures. Having that sort of phobia seems absolutely out of character for William. I do like the idea of William being disconcerted by butterflies because they don't follow a logical path. That makes perfect sense for his character. Associating them with his mother's death might lead to uneasiness around them. But an outright phobia? For a guy who hangs out outdoors a lot? I just don't see it. |
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Post by lea on Sept 13, 2015 19:14:25 GMT
I'm somewhat surprised there's not more butterfly discussion 5. I guess I buy William not liking butterflies? I would assume dead butterflies don't make him uneasy? He didn't even bat an eyelash at the dead butterfly earlier on. I don't discuss it much because I'm in denial of the whole idea - it takes place in an alternative MM universe for me like The Filmed Adventures. Having that sort of phobia seems absolutely out of character for William. I do like the idea of William being disconcerted by butterflies because they don't follow a logical path. That makes perfect sense for his character. Associating them with his mother's death might lead to uneasiness around them. But an outright phobia? For a guy who hangs out outdoors a lot? I just don't see it. I don't know if I dislike it enough to put it into the alternate universe with Filmed Adventures but it does seem odd to me as well. The dead butterflies in Anything You Can Do is what makes it the least believable to me. Nothing came up then? Although, at one point he does mention that he's not afraid and just uneasy. Maybe it's not quite up to a phobia level and Julia was just making a big deal out of it. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 13, 2015 19:50:39 GMT
I don't know if I dislike it enough to put it into the alternate universe with Filmed Adventures but it does seem odd to me as well. The dead butterflies in Anything You Can Do is what makes it the least believable to me. Nothing came up then? Although, at one point he does mention that he's not afraid and just uneasy. Maybe it's not quite up to a phobia level and Julia was just making a big deal out of it. Yes - Julia's approach to "curing" William was a bit pushy and creepy as well. |
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Post by hedwigcito on Sept 29, 2018 9:20:25 GMT
Loved the episode! I´m a new Murdoch fan  hopefuly I will catch up with the latest season |
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Post by macmurrough on Oct 19, 2018 11:44:59 GMT
Loved the episode! I´m a new Murdoch fan hopefuly I will catch up with the latest season Oh great! I’m rewatching all the episodes and I happened across this board so naturally I come here after every episode to see how others felt about it versus what I thought. I'd just reached peak frustration at being half-a-decade too late to join in the conversation when I came across your post, hedwigcito! I hope you’re still enjoying it and stuck around the forums! I loved this episode, too! I’m also a big Emily fan! (Had to throw that in because I feel like she got a hard time on this board 5 years ago, lol.) |
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hopefuly I will catch up with the latest season 