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Post by lizmc on Mar 29, 2015 20:59:59 GMT
I'm curious, Snacky, why you think the writers wouldn't have a good grip on the history of Catholicism.....one thing that I think has been consistent about this series has been the historical accuracy and feeling. There is no reason do think that they can't continue to do so, including the religious aspect of the characters....... Because they punted on the priest talk before the marriage. The priest asked questions, but we never heard Julia's answers. Just because they decided it wasn't necessary to show that conversation, doesn't mean they don't have the knowledge or means to research the aspects of religious history needed for any specific plots they decide on...... |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 29, 2015 21:02:02 GMT
I'm curious, Snacky, why you think the writers wouldn't have a good grip on the history of Catholicism.....one thing that I think has been consistent about this series has been the historical accuracy and feeling. There is no reason do think that they can't continue to do so, including the religious aspect of the characters....... Because they punted on the priest talk before the marriage. The priest asked questions, but we never heard Julia's answers. Don't you think there was enough going on in that ep as it was and we really didn't need to get into Catholic dogma. It was done as a light hearted episode not to instruct us on Catholic marriages. |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 29, 2015 21:04:45 GMT
Julia is surprisingly skittish for a psychiatrist. I don't think she has the professional temperament for that field. Maybe a growth moment for her would be learning that.  That's why her 'niche' is as a profiler. It would logically put her in the middle of William's cases as his sounding board rather than just having a conversation over tea and crumpets in the hotel. The problem is they didn't have profilers back then, it's a relatively new occupation. I doubt they actually consulted psychiatrists. I guess there's no reason MM can't be way ahead of it's time though and Julia be a forerunner of things to come. |
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Post by snacky on Mar 29, 2015 21:17:19 GMT
That's why her 'niche' is as a profiler. It would logically put her in the middle of William's cases as his sounding board rather than just having a conversation over tea and crumpets in the hotel. The problem is they didn't have profilers back then, it's a relatively new occupation. I doubt they actually consulted psychiatrists. I guess there's no reason MM can't be way ahead of it's time though and Julia be a forerunner of things to come. Dr. Roberts as the creepy alienist was much better in that role. By putting Julia in that role, MM really lost the opportunity for an asset (another creepy alienist). Instead they stuck a woman in the soft sciences , which is hardly original.  |
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Post by snacky on Mar 29, 2015 21:20:09 GMT
Because they punted on the priest talk before the marriage. The priest asked questions, but we never heard Julia's answers. Just because they decided it wasn't necessary to show that conversation, doesn't mean they don't have the knowledge or means to research the aspects of religious history needed for any specific plots they decide on...... It might not mean that, but it makes me highly suspicious that they omitted the details because they couldn't handle the possibility of the nitpicks. But we will see if we get something more interesting with Father Keegan's ongoing role. There's always the factor of what the writers think the viewers will be able to absorb (or want to absorb), as well. |
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Post by snacky on Mar 29, 2015 21:21:16 GMT
Because they punted on the priest talk before the marriage. The priest asked questions, but we never heard Julia's answers. Don't you think there was enough going on in that ep as it was and we really didn't need to get into Catholic dogma. It was done as a light hearted episode not to instruct us on Catholic marriages. There was enough to get the priest's questions in but not Julia's answers? |
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Post by lizmc on Mar 29, 2015 21:29:52 GMT
Just because they decided it wasn't necessary to show that conversation, doesn't mean they don't have the knowledge or means to research the aspects of religious history needed for any specific plots they decide on...... It might not mean that, but it makes me highly suspicious that they omitted the details because they couldn't handle the possibility of the nitpicks. But we will see if we get something more interesting with Father Keegan's ongoing role. There's always the factor of what the writers think the viewers will be able to absorb (or want to absorb), as well. In a 45 minute programme, they won't waste time having a dogmatic debate which wouldn't add to the plot........as for wondering what the viewers are able to absorb, that hasn't discouraged them from plot lines around abortion, contraception, rape, child abuse, sectarian violence, homosexuality, among others......I've never had the impression the MM writers thought their audience was stupid or unable to cope with controversial subjects....if anything, they've gone out of their way to challenge their audience on occasion..... |
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Post by lizmc on Mar 29, 2015 21:31:43 GMT
Don't you think there was enough going on in that ep as it was and we really didn't need to get into Catholic dogma. It was done as a light hearted episode not to instruct us on Catholic marriages. There was enough to get the priest's questions in but not Julia's answers? Did you need Julia's answers to know what was going on? I didn't...... |
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Post by snacky on Mar 29, 2015 21:49:56 GMT
There was enough to get the priest's questions in but not Julia's answers? Did you need Julia's answers to know what was going on? I didn't...... I did if the priest asked the questions first. Besides I wanted to know once they gave the impression that this stuff was sort of haunting William. (The stained glass windows). |
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Post by evilpete on Mar 29, 2015 22:44:19 GMT
the tricky think about using Juila as a profiler (and we did a fair bit is season seven) was we got to a point where, when beating out a story, we came all stopped and went -- Murdoch has done a gazillion murder cases and talked to innumerable suspects -- why wouldn't he know that. we would write scenes where julia would fill in psychological stuff and then stop and say - Murdoch is a highly trained detective. having her come in occassionally (as we did in the girl gang episode) seemed a better way to go. but that seemed lost on some of the audience because they were not kissing ; )
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Post by carco on Mar 29, 2015 22:55:03 GMT
I'm curious, Snacky, why you think the writers wouldn't have a good grip on the history of Catholicism.....one thing that I think has been consistent about this series has been the historical accuracy and feeling. There is no reason do think that they can't continue to do so, including the religious aspect of the characters....... Because they punted on the priest talk before the marriage. The priest asked questions, but we never heard Julia's answers. In my mind, Julia's answers were not heard by us because they didn't really matter to the story of Murdoch Mysteries. The extent of William's beliefs and his willingness to follow his faith (blindly or otherwise) IS important to the overall story of Murdoch Mysteries. It's probably suffice to say that Julia and the priest came to a meeting of the minds when they discussed her answer and he was satisfied enough that she had given it much thought and on that basis, approved the wedding to take place in William's church. And I do feel the writer's have a good grip on the historical Catholicism in Toronto. And we know Maureen Jennings fully researched it so that is one area that she would provide clarification if needed. |
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Post by lovemondays on Mar 29, 2015 22:57:21 GMT
the tricky think about using Juila as a profiler (and we did a fair bit is season seven) was we got to a point where, when beating out a story, we came all stopped and went -- Murdoch has done a gazillion murder cases and talked to innumerable suspects -- why wouldn't he know that. we would write scenes where julia would fill in psychological stuff and then stop and say - Murdoch is a highly trained detective. having her come in occassionally (as we did in the girl gang episode) seemed a better way to go. but that seemed lost on some of the audience because they were not kissing ; ) I love how you are popping up here Peter! You, as writers, are in a sticky wicket about how to integrate Julia in way that doesn't appear forced. She's his sounding board. I just can't figure out how to do it. It makes sense when Julia is a part of solving the case...and it doesn't mean they have to be kissing. (But in my binge watching of S8 this weekend I have noticed that George has kissed Edna more often and more passionately than William has kissed Julia...just saying.) We do notice when the team gets the mix right. Unfortunately, we are far more vocal when its off. |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 29, 2015 23:11:12 GMT
the tricky think about using Juila as a profiler (and we did a fair bit is season seven) was we got to a point where, when beating out a story, we came all stopped and went -- Murdoch has done a gazillion murder cases and talked to innumerable suspects -- why wouldn't he know that. we would write scenes where julia would fill in psychological stuff and then stop and say - Murdoch is a highly trained detective. having her come in occassionally (as we did in the girl gang episode) seemed a better way to go. but that seemed lost on some of the audience because they were not kissing ; ) I do see the problem in how to integrate Julia into the story. The problem is now she's not in the morgue she really isn't necessary to the story except as a love interest for Murdoch. She's been sidelined and it's hard to see how she can be fully reintegrated into the show. I love it when they work together but realize that they can't do that all the time. We, well some of us anyway, don't have to see them kiss but it would be nice to see some scenes where they're together, a look or a gesture that shows there's a relationship would be nice. That's been missing this season. The only scene W/J were in together in Election Day they didn't even speak to each other. In fact it was Brackenreid that had to tell the guy to unhand the ladies. Surely Murdoch should have been infuriated his wife was being manhandled. I have to admit I don't see a way around it unless Julia goes back to the morgue and I don't see that happening. |
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Post by carco on Mar 29, 2015 23:20:19 GMT
the tricky think about using Juila as a profiler (and we did a fair bit is season seven) was we got to a point where, when beating out a story, we came all stopped and went -- Murdoch has done a gazillion murder cases and talked to innumerable suspects -- why wouldn't he know that. we would write scenes where julia would fill in psychological stuff and then stop and say - Murdoch is a highly trained detective. having her come in occassionally (as we did in the girl gang episode) seemed a better way to go. but that seemed lost on some of the audience because they were not kissing ; ) We should know by now that TPTB are all way ahead of us on some (most?) of the points we toss out for discussion on this board. I always thought profiler would have been a good route to go for Julia, too. But had it actually played out, I guess our discussions here would be pointing what all of you already knew !! |
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Post by carco on Mar 29, 2015 23:25:47 GMT
the tricky think about using Juila as a profiler (and we did a fair bit is season seven) was we got to a point where, when beating out a story, we came all stopped and went -- Murdoch has done a gazillion murder cases and talked to innumerable suspects -- why wouldn't he know that. we would write scenes where julia would fill in psychological stuff and then stop and say - Murdoch is a highly trained detective. having her come in occassionally (as we did in the girl gang episode) seemed a better way to go. but that seemed lost on some of the audience because they were not kissing ; ) The only scene W/J were in together in Election Day they didn't even speak to each other. In fact it was Brackenreid that had to tell the guy to unhand the ladies. Surely Murdoch should have been infuriated his wife was being manhandled. I have to admit I don't see a way around it unless Julia goes back to the morgue and I don't see that happening. But Hodge remember that scene in the morgue where she told him his logic was infuriating? The whole premise of their relationship is equality. She does not want him to fight her battles for her so I fully understand him not telling that guy to let unhand the ladies. |
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