|
|
Post by carco on Mar 27, 2014 17:33:27 GMT
I just thought of something, I don't remember seeing William cross himself when they unloaded the corpse at the morgue or inside the morgue. I think with James Gillies he thought he shouldn't waste his time. True, I know I wouldn't waste my time but I re-watched the episode (somebody had to do it  ) and Murdoch did not cross himself in the presence of that body. That has to be a first for him and I gather it shows just how much William thought Gillies was pure evil. I'm only sorry that Julia didn't get a chance to examine his brain after all. |
|
|
|
Post by snacky on Mar 28, 2014 5:43:19 GMT
Finally got a chance to see Kung Fu Crabtree! Several things were unsatisfactory about this episode. I wasn't clear on Ling's motive, or why she would be free to wander around the retinue if she were a hostage. The denouement to the Gillies storyline wasn't really satisfactory: a multiple season-spanning arch-nemesis deserves something more spectacular. While I agree with everyone that it's time for Gillies to be retired, I'm also kind of hoping "we're free" was a big signal that William and Julia aren't free. I was glad to see William and Julia had a lot of spare time in adjoining hotel rooms. I wonder what they did to kill all that time.  Brackenreid needs a new a catchphrase. There was one too many "bloody hells". Way back in the second season he used "bloody scandal". I'm sure he can come up with a few more generalizations. I loved the whole Mrs. Brackenreid Chinese food subplot. I was also amazed that George has been paying enough attention to Chinese writing that he was able to recall where he'd seen a particular sequence of characters before. And he got a whole wushu sequence after just one visual demonstration! Maybe George is a secret genius! D: Another drag on the episode was that Leslie has been an obvious villain candidate all season. While a good parlor mystery makes sure that the reader has enough clues to solve the mystery for him or herself, there will usually be enough misdirection and alternate theories to make sure the mystery isn't solved before the last page. When the reader feels both smart and surprised, that's a satisfying mystery. The Leslie clues were so overt that I thought they had to be some sort of red herring. By the time we got to Kung Fu Crabtree, there were only two choices: Gillies or Leslie. Once we knew Gillies was dead, it must be Leslie. Somehow I wish Leslie had turned out to be more of a supervillain: he had justifiable motives, and those villains that aren't exactly evil are the best ones! By the way, this episode had a fascinating bit of synchronicity for political events in the U.S. this week. An entrenched politician here was arrested for corruption and entanglement with Chinatown gangsters. And the gang boss is nicknamed Shrimp Boy!!! True story! |
|
|
|
Post by shangas on Mar 29, 2014 23:41:53 GMT
The whole Gilles - Garland thing was fairly obvious. I agree. It's good that it's over, but like I said, it's very anticlimactic.
The Mrs. Brackenreid thing with the Chinese food was great.
I say it was an ENTERTAINING episode, if not necessarily a GOOD episode.
|
|
|
|
Post by snacky on Mar 30, 2014 1:34:38 GMT
The whole Gilles - Garland thing was fairly obvious. I agree. It's good that it's over, but like I said, it's very anticlimactic. I think Julia was protesting too much when she said she did nothing wrong. She married a man when she still loved William. Even if she had her reasons, including her unfortunate assumption that William would never marry her, this was wrong. Everyone paid for that mistake. William lost "the love of his life". Julia set herself up for a "passionless marriage". Darcy was betrayed, then publicly humiliated as Julia sought a divorce, and ultimately killed because of Julia's relationship with William. Julia should be haunted by what happened to Darcy. In a way Leslie was just her own conscience speaking, and banishing Leslie won't make the facts go away. |
|
|
|
Post by fan2tvshows on Mar 30, 2014 15:39:13 GMT
Waouh! I admit I have not at all been insightful about William/Julia plot, I always thought that GILLIES was behind the threat (and according to me, it would have been better/I would have prefered) because to hear that it was only a joke of Leslie GARLAND -A JOKE!- was very disappointing. Indeed the plot was presented as a big deal so I expected that the case be resolved as main topic of the episode and not in the background. To finish, in french, I would just have said: "tout ça pour ça?".
I enjoyed:
- the boundless enthusiasm of George for the Kung Fu.
- the fights. Very impressive!
- the complicity between Mr and Mrs BRACKENREID.
I think George is better without Emily since the beginning. There is no chemistry between the two characters and if Leslie wasn't a bad guy in the story, he would have formed with Emily a lovely couple.
|
|
|
|
Post by snacky on Mar 30, 2014 18:34:17 GMT
I think George is better without Emily since the beginning. There is no chemistry between the two characters and if Leslie wasn't a bad guy in the story, he would have formed with Emily a lovely couple. I think Leslie was too young for Emily - but I agree the George/Emily chemistry is sketchy, and it doesn't mesh well with George's comic relief role. I think George would go better with a more comic character. I totally agree that the resolution of the Gillies/Leslie plot should have gotten it's own episode. It required an epic finish. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2014 20:11:08 GMT
I saw the previews on MURDOCH MYSTERIES Facebook. If I well understood MURDOCH suggested that GILLIES must have been injured after his fall down the river, that he must have needed help to remove his handcuffs and therefore somebody must have seen him. It makes me think that GILLIES might have needed some help to walk for some times as crutches or... a cane? I say that because I saw a man walking with a cane behind Julia; a man who seemed to follow her during her investigations. I even said that it was GILLIES. I can't wait to see CRABTREE in (KUNG FU) action. But where is his sidekick, Henry? Good joke: MURDOCH on holyday! I like the characters of Mr and Mrs BRACKENREID. I missed Henry too. Loved seeing Mrs. Brackenreid again. |
|
|
|
Post by petruck on Mar 31, 2014 1:21:16 GMT
The whole Gilles - Garland thing was fairly obvious. I agree. It's good that it's over, but like I said, it's very anticlimactic. I think Julia was protesting too much when she said she did nothing wrong. She married a man when she still loved William. Even if she had her reasons, including her unfortunate assumption that William would never marry her, this was wrong. Everyone paid for that mistake. William lost "the love of his life". Julia set herself up for a "passionless marriage". Darcy was betrayed, then publicly humiliated as Julia sought a divorce, and ultimately killed because of Julia's relationship with William. Julia should be haunted by what happened to Darcy. In a way Leslie was just her own conscience speaking, and banishing Leslie won't make the facts go away. While all of that is true, being haunted and blaming herself because a crazed psychopath killed her husband is a little harsh there. If we go along with that line of thinking then I would say William shares the blame too, if he'd gotten his mouth open and told her how he felt right back where Julia revealed her heartbreaking news about being sterile, or even managed to go after her with that damn ring when he was chasing her train down the platform, or perhaps not waited months before following her to Buffalo, and then not using solving a murder as the excuse but actually going there to "get his girl", Julia would not have even considered marrying anyone else. We can even go as far as saying there was an entire season where William could have told Julia how he felt, instead of standing back and letting her continue to believe that he was in no way interested in her or her pending marriage to someone else and like Julia said, she gave him a choice, right up to the day she wed, he had a choice, he just did not choose her. So by that reasoning should he be haunted by Darcy's death as well? Neither of them are responsible for Darcy's death, Gillies is. As for this episode, I think the "we are free" is a nod to the fan's. Or at least I hope it is, and that the end of this season is the end of the will they won't they drama and we can settle back into enjoying an amazing show with a lot of mystery and a little touch of romance. I also agree that while interesting Kung Fu Crabtree was probably my least favorite of the season so far, too much jumping about. |
|
|
|
Post by snacky on Mar 31, 2014 2:23:28 GMT
If we go along with that line of thinking then I would say William shares the blame too, if he'd gotten his mouth open and told her how he felt right back where Julia revealed her heartbreaking news about being sterile, or even managed to go after her with that damn ring when he was chasing her train down the platform, or perhaps not waited months before following her to Buffalo, and then not using solving a murder as the excuse but actually going there to "get his girl", Julia would not have even considered marrying anyone else. Neither of them are responsible for Darcy's death, Gillies is. the end of this season is the end of the will they won't they drama and we can settle back into enjoying an amazing show with a lot of mystery and a little touch of romance. I do follow that line of thinking, in that I think William's tendency to keep on thinking instead of acting is one of his "fatal flaws" as a character. So I think it's fair to partially blame William, though I don't think it would have gone any other way given his character's logic. But to clarify the "blame" - I don't think William or Julia should blame themselves for anything that Gillies did. However, they can own up to their prior bad decisions and realize that the consequences involved betraying and humiliating a good man (Darcy). That Darcy should die over William and Julia's relationship just adds insult to injury (from Leslie's point of view). I can see something happening at this point that would make Leslie even more bitter and menacing. We may not have seen the last of him. Unfortunately I doubt there will ever be an end to the "will they or won't they". As frustrating as it is, that's part of the Murdoch Mysteries "clickbait". I totally agree with you about the desirable portions of mystery and romance - though I prefer the romance to be integrated rather than set aside in separate storylines like it's an afterthought. I'm a bit surprised the "now we're free" came before the last episode of the season. Perhaps there's another shoe to drop? |
|
|
|
Post by petruck on Mar 31, 2014 22:36:37 GMT
In an interview with Ms Joy, she hinted at a conclusion in the final episode that would make the shippers very happy, In fact I think her exact words were "they will be very excited about what happens at the end of the season" and since she was talking about "Jilian" I'm hoping that the writers and producers have finally realized that an on screen relationship does not mean the end of the show (Castle broke the so called curse). However I have been wrong before, (republic of doyle being a prime example! of me being wrong, and the writers backing out of what I thought was a done deal)  |
|
|
|
Post by snacky on Apr 1, 2014 6:28:06 GMT
In an interview with Ms Joy, she hinted at a conclusion in the final episode that would make the shippers very happy, In fact I think her exact words were "they will be very excited about what happens at the end of the season" and since she was talking about "Jilian" I'm hoping that the writers and producers have finally realized that an on screen relationship does not mean the end of the show (Castle broke the so called curse). However I have been wrong before, (republic of doyle being a prime example! of me being wrong, and the writers backing out of what I thought was a done deal) The end of the preview for the season finale looked very promising. Hats come off. |
|
|
|
Post by petruck on Apr 1, 2014 12:40:50 GMT
mmmm I hope so but, despite the interview I'm starting to have mixed feelings about the ending, I particularly do not like his wording in that preview... Spoiler alert for all who do not wish to be even preview spoiled!! Why would he only have a few months of happiness with her? I realize that there would be reasons for his choice of words but.. it is an odd thing for him to say if he wants to propose isn't it? They've been friends for years, why would he now suddenly have a limit on his time with her? I have the horrid gut feeling that they are going to leave us hanging again  |
|
|
|
Post by murdochic on Apr 1, 2014 13:08:02 GMT
I took his words to mean that he doesn't want something temporary, he wants a lifetime. They always have their happiness interrupted by drama, this time he wants a marriage so they can finally be fully together. That's what the scene said to me. It didn't worry me at all. I am confident W/J will end S7 engaged.
It's a shame it's when her father isn't there to see it.
|
|
|
|
Post by petruck on Apr 1, 2014 13:51:30 GMT
I'm generally not a glass half full kind of person, (honestly if the glass is half full there's more room for the vodka), so I'm really hoping you are right on that one. |
|
|
|
Post by snacky on Apr 1, 2014 15:55:02 GMT
mmmm I hope so but, despite the interview I'm starting to have mixed feelings about the ending, I particularly do not like his wording in that preview... Spoiler alert for all who do not wish to be even preview spoiled!! Why would he only have a few months of happiness with her? I realize that there would be reasons for his choice of words but.. it is an odd thing for him to say if he wants to propose isn't it? They've been friends for years, why would he now suddenly have a limit on his time with her? I have the horrid gut feeling that they are going to leave us hanging again Perhaps Julia's father wasn't murdered - perhaps the injection relates to some inheritable disease? William has already watched one fiance suffer a painful death. However, I'm going with the glass half full gang, since Helene Joy said shippers would be happy. I think William just meant that he doesn't want to waste time and regret it later. Also, as long as they are being renewed season by season, I think MM will always leave people with some sort of wrap-up suring the last episode instead of a cliff-hanger. |
|
) and Murdoch did not cross himself in the presence of that body. That has to be a first for him and I gather it shows just how much William thought Gillies was pure evil. 
