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Post by snacky on Jul 27, 2014 3:18:33 GMT
PS. I watched Fifth element again and I have to say I'm indifferent to it. It's like it's trying too hard to be quirky that it comes across as a parody of itself. If that was intentional like the original Batman series was than good for Mr. Besson...if it wasn't well, at least he created something unique.  It probably seemed more originally quirky when it came out. I still love it.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jul 27, 2014 5:00:54 GMT
Are you sure about that? I'm just immature for my age. Graduated college in the 20th century-but just barely. I skew younger because I spend all day with teenagers. Not 100% sure, and I don't want anyone to feel obliged to pinpoint their ages here. I'll just say I'm in my 30s. Same here. Although, I'm also quite happy to announce that most people think I'm much younger than I really am. Maybe that's a plus to behaving younger- it also makes you appear so. EDIT: I'll own it. I'm 37. |
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Post by snacky on Jul 27, 2014 5:41:56 GMT
EDIT: I'll own it. I'm 37. A Lady of Experience~ Oriental experience at that! I'm owning NUTHIN'! |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 27, 2014 8:56:22 GMT
I get most of my information, like you, from Tumblr, and a bit from Twitter. People on Tumblr are usually kind enough to repost the stuff from Facebook. I wonder if "Keystone Constables" is a little bit of tongue-in-cheek dialogue with the fans? I remember during the Twitter discussion of Midnight Train to Kingston episode (or possibly here on the forum) there was some complaint about the constables acting like incompetent "Keystone Kops". I wonder if anyone remembers that Jackson was the result of Inspector Brackenreid's attempt to steal the baseball team "ringer" in Stroll on the Wild Side: and the joke was he got a not-so-competent constable - i.e. a "Keystone Kop". Anyway, that was Brackenreid's own fault. I'm not sure whether I'm happy or suspicious when the writers "talk back" to fans. I checked if this information came from an official source like MURDOCH MYSTERIES'FACEBOOK OR MURDOCH MYSTERIES' TWITTER but no, hence my question. Sometimes I think they found out a way to got some informations in exclusivity from the team of the MURDOCH MYSTERIES... maybe because of their blog which often are visited by fans. A way to reward them for their "work"/for "the publicity for the show that they create". Concerning "Midnight Train to Kingston" episode, I was very desappointed or even angry about the behaviour of the whole team not only the constables but the detective MURDOCH and the inspector BRACKENREID too. According to me, it was a complete mascarade/farce. And I don't see how the writers could redeem themselves in my eyes. About the constable JACKSON, it was a way to recruit rather original and unexpected. LOL. |
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Post by snacky on Jul 27, 2014 9:53:17 GMT
Sometimes I think they found out a way to got some informations in exclusivity from the team of the MURDOCH MYSTERIES... maybe because of their blog which often are visited by fans. A way to reward them for their "work"/for "the publicity for the show that they create". Concerning "Midnight Train to Kingston" episode, I was very desappointed or even angry about the behaviour of the whole team not only the constables but the detective MURDOCH and the inspector BRACKENREID too. According to me, it was a complete mascarade/farce. And I don't see how the writers could redeem themselves in my eyes. The "Keystone Constables" episode might be the reply the writers give to your comment!  There may be a few fans with inside sources. I know some fans won contests to get friended on Yannick's twitter feed: things like that could provide an inside source of information. If a fan keeps a semi-official site for a particular actor, they might also receive inside info that way. But as far as I know, no one here has any inside info. In fact, the way I see it, the MM marketing team may have made a bit of a diplomatic faux pas recently in attempting to reward fans for the "publicity they create". First they made a big fuss over drawings only: they had to go back 4 or 5 years to find enough drawings, but at the same time they overtly ignored the hard work that goes into other forms of fan artwork and artifacts: videos, gifs, fanfic, fun thingies that don't fall into any neat category but enrich the fandom. These are the fuel that keep the fandom going over the summer: these are what have been building the audience for MM. The MM marketing team needs to find a way to recognize and reward those folks. Instead by focusing on old drawings, they loudly ignored all the marketing that had been freely crowd-sourced for the last few years. What a bummer for just about the entire fan community. Dear MM marketing team: your fans are not just a few suck ups on Facebook. Wake up and smell the Google juice. In fact, let me say again: what is Google-able is a thousand times more important than what happens on Facebook: stuff that happens on this forum is public record. Stuff that happens on Facebook vanishes behind Friend Walls in an instant. Poof. The other faux pas may be the Open House itself. Announcing that via social media suggested that the invitations were aimed at a certain type of young, hip, tech-savvy fan. Even if older fans aren't the target demographic, it would be stupid to alienate them since they are still vehicles of "word of mouth": they have children, they have workplaces. They may be teachers or ministers or otherwise have jobs of influence. Blowing off people because they are old is never a wise thing to do. Think like Murdoch: think 2 or 3 moves ahead. |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 27, 2014 10:15:40 GMT
Well to me it sounds like that fangirl from season 5 started up a fan club for the detective and something bad happens to one of the members...or they devise a crime in order to get him to come and solve it and fawn over him.  Maybe one of them -a medicated psychopath- would habe developped an obsession with William. She would be so in love with William than she would like to take the place of Julia in his life. She would abduct and sequestrate Julia to learn how to look like her and of course, she would have the intention to kill her at the end. First, she'd color her dark hair in blond to get William's attention, then she would wear one blouse which would belong to Julia and to finish, she'd take her ring(s) from Julia to wear it(them). And that's why William would progressively understand that she was behind this. It could be an interesting episode because: - we could see the skill(s) of Julia as a psychiatrist to save enough time te be found by the detective MURDOCH. - we could see one more time how William is able to move heaven and earth to find her/to see his ability to work under pressure when he's personally affected. But I don't think that I have the slightest chance of being on the same wavelength of the writers of MURDOCH MYSTERIES. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jul 27, 2014 13:45:26 GMT
Well to me it sounds like that fangirl from season 5 started up a fan club for the detective and something bad happens to one of the members...or they devise a crime in order to get him to come and solve it and fawn over him. Maybe one of them -a medicated psychopath- would habe developped an obsession with William. She would be so in love with William than she would like to take the place of Julia in his life. She would abduct and sequestrate Julia to learn how to look like her and of course, she would have the intention to kill her at the end. First, she'd color her dark hair in blond to get William's attention, then she would wear one blouse which would belong to Julia and to finish, she'd take her ring(s) from Julia to wear it(them). And that's why William would progressively understand that she was behind this. It could be an interesting episode because: - we could see the skill(s) of Julia as a psychiatrist to save enough time te be found by the detective MURDOCH. - we could see one more time how William is able to move heaven and earth to find her/to see his ability to work under pressure when he's personally affected. But I don't think that I have the slightest chance of being on the same wavelength of the writers of MURDOCH MYSTERIES. You never know, anything could happen.  But me personally, I would like to see Murdoch get kidnapped and have Julia and maybe the gang help rescue him for a change. It would even give Brax the opportunity to break out his chalkboard again! |
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Post by snacky on Jul 27, 2014 19:10:09 GMT
Maybe one of them -a medicated psychopath- would habe developped an obsession with William. She would be so in love with William than she would like to take the place of Julia in his life. She would abduct and sequestrate Julia to learn how to look like her and of course, she would have the intention to kill her at the end. That's a new one! But hasn't Gillies already disguised himself as Julia? Also the obsession plot has been done in a way, albeit in a cute sort of way: when the Dracula-obsessed girl became obsessed with William in Bloodlust. The copycat who stole personal items was done in Murdoch at the Opera. It would be hard for MM to go with your plot without revisiting these former stories. But I agree your ideas would give some work for Julia! |
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Post by snacky on Jul 27, 2014 19:47:55 GMT
But me personally, I would like to see Murdoch get kidnapped and have Julia and maybe the gang help rescue him for a change. It would even give Brax the opportunity to break out his chalkboard again! Yes, I would love to see Julia rescuing William some more! And more gun-toting Julia, please. lol, Brax and the chalkboard. Some say alcohol actually lubricates the braincells. |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 28, 2014 2:28:18 GMT
I wonder if "Keystone Constables" is a little bit of tongue-in-cheek dialogue with the fans? I remember during the Twitter discussion of Midnight Train to Kingston episode (or possibly here on the forum) there was some complaint about the constables acting like incompetent "Keystone Kops". I'm not sure whether I'm happy or suspicious when the writers "talk back" to fans. Let's see what comes of it...! I also did a criticism about "Midnight Train to Kingston" episode, you answered me -I quote- The "Keystone Constables" episode might be the reply the writers give to your comment! I think that the opinion of the viewers/fans is important for the writers of MURDOCH MYSTERIES but not to the point of having any influence on their work. And if this episode was like a reply to the "complaints" -I wouldn't have used this notion/word but I would say "negative comments" or "criticisms"- of fans, would it mean that they admit to have made mistakes? According to me, I would say yes but according to "fans inconditionnels" -I'm sorry but I didn't find a match in english, I mean fans who don't accept any criticism about the show and they can admit when they are unsatisfied for fear of losing their statut of fan-, it would be unthinkable. |
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Post by snacky on Jul 28, 2014 2:44:28 GMT
And if this episode was like a reply to the "complaints" -I didn't use this notion/word but I would say "negative comments" or "criticisms"- of fans, would it mean that they admit to have made mistakes? I'm sure the writers are open to criticism, and criticize themselves. It's just that they can't allow themselves to be controlled by fans. They need a certain distance and space to maintain their creativity as writers. That's why it's important for the writers not to show what they think of fan comments at all: if the writers respond, then they are letting the fans control them. But the writers do show they have heard fan comments by playing around with what fans have said. One example was the recent list of ways they could stop the wedding: this was playing with fan complaints about how long the wedding had been delayed. I think this Keystone Constables title is another example of playing around with fan comments. The writers are showing that they heard you by using that phrase. But they can't respond directly to your complaints because that would be giving fans too much control over their creative process. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jul 28, 2014 2:50:20 GMT
EDIT: I'll own it. I'm 37. A Lady of Experience~ Oriental experience at that! I'm owning NUTHIN'! Why yes, I am worldly lady. In more ways than one. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jul 28, 2014 2:51:52 GMT
And if this episode was like a reply to the "complaints" -I didn't use this notion/word but I would say "negative comments" or "criticisms"- of fans, would it mean that they admit to have made mistakes? I'm sure the writers are open to criticism, and criticize themselves. It's just that they can't allow themselves to be controlled by fans. They need a certain distance and space to maintain their creativity as writers. That's why it's important for the writers not to show what they think of fan comments at all: if the writers respond, then they are letting the fans control them. But the writers do show they have heard fan comments by playing around with what fans have said. One example was the recent list of ways they could stop the wedding: this was playing with fan complaints about how long the wedding had been delayed. I think this Keystone Constables title is another example of playing around with fan comments. The writers are showing that they heard you by using that phrase. But they can't respond directly to your complaints because that would be giving fans too much control over their creative process. Well put. |
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Post by snacky on Jul 28, 2014 2:55:38 GMT
A Lady of Experience~ Oriental experience at that! I'm owning NUTHIN'! Why yes, I am worldly lady. In more ways than one. *speculates about the ties* |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 28, 2014 19:01:56 GMT
And if this episode was like a reply to the "complaints" -I didn't use this notion/word but I would say "negative comments" or "criticisms"- of fans, would it mean that they admit to have made mistakes? I'm sure the writers are open to criticism, and criticize themselves. It's just that they can't allow themselves to be controlled by fans. They need a certain distance and space to maintain their creativity as writers. That's why it's important for the writers not to show what they think of fan comments at all: if the writers respond, then they are letting the fans control them. But the writers do show they have heard fan comments by playing around with what fans have said. One example was the recent list of ways they could stop the wedding: this was playing with fan complaints about how long the wedding had been delayed. I think this Keystone Constables title is another example of playing around with fan comments. The writers are showing that they heard you by using that phrase. But they can't respond directly to your complaints because that would be giving fans too much control over their creative process. Before reading your very first comment, I was not in position to understand the pun in the title and its meaning because I didn't know the "Keystone Cops/Kops" expression. You are the one who etablished a possible correlation between the "Keystone Constables" title and the complaints about the constables acting like incompetent in the "Midnight Train to Kingston" episode. So if -as you said- the choice of the "Keystone Constables" title is a way to play around with fan comments, it means - according to me- that the writers respond -in some way- to the complaints/comments. And an answer -even indirectly- remains an answer and therefore, you can deduce that fan comments can have an influence on their work. However it's hard to evaluate the degree of this influence and how exactly it manifests and to finish, it doesn't mean that they let fans control them. If it was a way to respond/a kind of answer, I wondered if or why the writers felt obliged to do a such thing. Did they want to justify their work in the "Midnight Train to Kingston" episode? Did they want to bring fans some explanations because they would have misunderstood their work? Now I think that the constables were often recruited because the police station needed more staff and not because of their skills. As part of a training program, Detective MURDOCH, with -of course!- the help of an enthousiastic constable CRABTREE, may have to be their instructor. LOL. |
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