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Post by snacky on Sept 18, 2014 3:01:01 GMT
Ooh where did you see that? I'm not sure what he could do to stop the wedding at this point, but I'd be interested to see what havoc he could wreak. i'm not surprised considering how easy he got off last season. someone wrote a fic where he tried to stop the wedding at gunpoint but george and henry intersected him before the ceremony was interrupted. they probably tied him up like a pig out back. can't remember. Episode 100 could still be a "things that could go wrong with the wedding" ep - that scenario could be one of them. I always thought that writer's list of "wedding prevention scenarios" could actually be a "double troll" - not actually preventing the wedding, but real "dream episode" plans. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 18, 2014 3:28:18 GMT
Even though I've had some quibbles with the writers, I still trust their overall judgement-end of season 6 not withstanding. I'm willing to see where the writers go. I'd like to see them marry sooner rather than later and feature them working together as a couple. I think they've held them apart as long as they can without killing the show. It's time to move on. I want more eps like "Unfinished Business" or "Loch Ness Murdoch".
If there does need to be some drama, how about it be W/J adjusting to married life-those of you who are married/ever lived with someone know it's not exactly a cakewalk. It's not terrible, it's just an adjustment.
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Post by snacky on Sept 18, 2014 3:49:24 GMT
If there does need to be some drama, how about it be W/J adjusting to married life-those of you who are married/ever lived with someone know it's not exactly a cakewalk. It's not terrible, it's just an adjustment. I'm sure these will be great, but they will only last so long. My worry is the in-marriage writer's ammo is limited. I desperately hope I will be proven wrong, though. By the way, I see someone creeping up on Godhood! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 18, 2014 4:00:35 GMT
If there does need to be some drama, how about it be W/J adjusting to married life-those of you who are married/ever lived with someone know it's not exactly a cakewalk. It's not terrible, it's just an adjustment. I'm sure these will be great, but they will only last so long. My worry is the in-marriage writer's ammo is limited. I desperately hope I will be proven wrong, though. By the way, I see someone creeping up on Godhood! I'm choosing to think positively. Does one become a deity at 500? I wasn't sure. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 18, 2014 4:59:42 GMT
I'm sure these will be great, but they will only last so long. My worry is the in-marriage writer's ammo is limited. I desperately hope I will be proven wrong, though. By the way, I see someone creeping up on Godhood! I'm choosing to think positively. Does one become a deity at 500? I wasn't sure. Yep 500 is the magic number. I was just channel surfing and dropped by Dr. Quinn Medicine women. Apparently on that show, Dr. Quinn actually married the love interest Sully at some point. But then in the fragment of the episode I'm watching now, he's in hiding, and has been away for a long time - and is apologizing for it. So basically in that show the writers did exactly what I was thinking the writers in MM would end up having to do after marrying William and Julia. They can't make William go away since he's the title character, so... |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Sept 18, 2014 6:30:00 GMT
I'm choosing to think positively. Does one become a deity at 500? I wasn't sure. Yep 500 is the magic number. I was just channel surfing and dropped by Dr. Quinn Medicine women. Apparently on that show, Dr. Quinn actually married the love interest Sully at some point. But then in the fragment of the episode I'm watching now, he's in hiding, and has been away for a long time - and is apologizing for it. So basically in that show the writers did exactly what I was I think the writers in MM would end up having to do after marrying William and Julia. They can't make William go away since he's the title character, so... It's funny that you mention Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman because that's my husband's nickname for Julia. He also refers to it as the "ye olde crossdressing show" because out of the episodes he's seen, most have featured some crossdressing. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 18, 2014 7:04:08 GMT
Yep 500 is the magic number. I was just channel surfing and dropped by Dr. Quinn Medicine women. Apparently on that show, Dr. Quinn actually married the love interest Sully at some point. But then in the fragment of the episode I'm watching now, he's in hiding, and has been away for a long time - and is apologizing for it. So basically in that show the writers did exactly what I was I think the writers in MM would end up having to do after marrying William and Julia. They can't make William go away since he's the title character, so... It's funny that you mention Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman because that's my husband's nickname for Julia. He also refers to it as the "ye olde crossdressing show" because out of the episodes he's seen, most have featured some crossdressing. Haven't seen enough eps to appreciate it, though Sully is kind of hot. I'm not curious what the timeline was between when the marriage occurred, when the show ended, and the apparent "Sully in hiding" period. |
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Post by bloodyfruitfly on Sept 18, 2014 10:09:05 GMT
I must be a minority in thinking that William and Julia could get married and not kill the show. I know this has been the death of many shows but Murdoch Mysteries has five strong characters to work with. I would like them to get married and find creative ways to create tension among all five characters.
Inspector Brackenried and Julie work a case together, maybe they have to work together because Murdoch and Crabtree have gotten themselves in a pickle.. I would like to see that relationship developed more.
I would like to see a little more development with Brackenried and Emily too.
George and Brackenried are comedy gold along with Crabtree and Higgins.
And of course Murdoch has a past that needs to be explored more, like how did his mom end up face down in the creek. We know she fell and hit her head, and we know William found her in the water face down. How did she get there? Were these to separate incidences. I can't help but to feel her death is his driving force to get his man/woman at all costs.
This show has so many combinations to work with, it doesn't always have to be about William and Julia. Don't get me wrong I love the episodes when they solve cases together. They are both super intelligent, they have the criminal mind element to work with and Julia brings the feminine touch to steer the boys to broaden their thought process. Julia has always helped them solve cases, that relationship will not change just because they are married.
And lastly they can have tension in the relationship easy enough. In season 6 and 7 they had a few good disagreements and arguments that were powerful but they worked through them like most people in a relationship would do. I am bored with the will they wont they scenario, get it done and begin new story telling with creative ways of bringing tension to the whole gang.
It's time for Emily to have a scare, maybe a Leslie Garland stalker. ; )
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Post by Hodge on Sept 18, 2014 13:40:55 GMT
I must be a minority in thinking that William and Julia could get married and not kill the show. I know this has been the death of many shows but Murdoch Mysteries has five strong characters to work with. I would like them to get married and find creative ways to create tension among all five characters. Inspector Brackenried and Julie work a case together, maybe they have to work together because Murdoch and Crabtree have gotten themselves in a pickle.. I would like to see that relationship developed more. I would like to see a little more development with Brackenried and Emily too. George and Brackenried are comedy gold along with Crabtree and Higgins. And of course Murdoch has a past that needs to be explored more, like how did his mom end up face down in the creek. We know she fell and hit her head, and we know William found her in the water face down. How did she get there? Were these to separate incidences. I can't help but to feel her death is his driving force to get his man/woman at all costs. This show has so many combinations to work with, it doesn't always have to be about William and Julia. Don't get me wrong I love the episodes when they solve cases together. They are both super intelligent, they have the criminal mind element to work with and Julia brings the feminine touch to steer the boys to broaden their thought process. Julia has always helped them solve cases, that relationship will not change just because they are married. And lastly they can have tension in the relationship easy enough. In season 6 and 7 they had a few good disagreements and arguments that were powerful but they worked through them like most people in a relationship would do. I am bored with the will they wont they scenario, get it done and begin new story telling with creative ways of bringing tension to the whole gang. It's time for Emily to have a scare, maybe a Leslie Garland stalker. ; ) I too want to get the marriage over and done with, it's time, it can't be dragged on forever. It doesn't have to kill the show but I am still a little worried about what they'll do with it. What we're forgetting here is not everyone that watches the show is a shipper. There's a large male following, as evidenced by the number of men at the MME, and not all the female fans are invested in the Jilliam relationship. That's just one part of the show. This show works on so many levels for different people, that's the beauty of it and why I think it's so successful. Murdoch's past will be dealt with in season 8 as per Christina Jennings. Talking of his past it seems to me that no one has mentioned that Murdoch is ultimately responsible for his mother's death. She slipped on a log from the woodpile, young Murdoch was playing in the woodpile and spread it all over. Hence it was his fault that the log was in a position for her to slip on it and hit her head on the hearth and from there get a concussion which lead to her falling in the water and drowning. I agree that there are plenty of combinations of characters to work with but you have to be careful, it is MURDOCH Mysteries so you can't go off on too much of a tangent with other characters. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 18, 2014 15:04:26 GMT
I must be a minority in thinking that William and Julia could get married and not kill the show. I know this has been the death of many shows but Murdoch Mysteries has five strong characters to work with. I would like them to get married and find creative ways to create tension among all five characters. Inspector Brackenried and Julie work a case together, maybe they have to work together because Murdoch and Crabtree have gotten themselves in a pickle.. I would like to see that relationship developed more. I would like to see a little more development with Brackenried and Emily too. George and Brackenried are comedy gold along with Crabtree and Higgins. And of course Murdoch has a past that needs to be explored more, like how did his mom end up face down in the creek. We know she fell and hit her head, and we know William found her in the water face down. How did she get there? Were these to separate incidences. I can't help but to feel her death is his driving force to get his man/woman at all costs. This show has so many combinations to work with, it doesn't always have to be about William and Julia. Don't get me wrong I love the episodes when they solve cases together. They are both super intelligent, they have the criminal mind element to work with and Julia brings the feminine touch to steer the boys to broaden their thought process. Julia has always helped them solve cases, that relationship will not change just because they are married. And lastly they can have tension in the relationship easy enough. In season 6 and 7 they had a few good disagreements and arguments that were powerful but they worked through them like most people in a relationship would do. I am bored with the will they wont they scenario, get it done and begin new story telling with creative ways of bringing tension to the whole gang. It's time for Emily to have a scare, maybe a Leslie Garland stalker. ; ) I too want to get the marriage over and done with, it's time, it can't be dragged on forever. It doesn't have to kill the show but I am still a little worried about what they'll do with it. What we're forgetting here is not everyone that watches the show is a shipper. There's a large male following, as evidenced by the number of men at the MME, and not all the female fans are invested in the Jilliam relationship. That's just one part of the show. This show works on so many levels for different people, that's the beauty of it and why I think it's so successful. Murdoch's past will be dealt with in season 8 as per Christina Jennings. Talking of his past it seems to me that no one has mentioned that Murdoch is ultimately responsible for his mother's death. She slipped on a log from the woodpile, young Murdoch was playing in the woodpile and spread it all over. Hence it was his fault that the log was in a position for her to slip on it and hit her head on the hearth and from there get a concussion which lead to her falling in the water and drowning. I agree that there are plenty of combinations of characters to work with but you have to be careful, it is MURDOCH Mysteries so you can't go off on too much of a tangent with other characters. I wouldn't put all the blame on poor little Willie. In the books his mother was hit by Harry and she smacked her head into the hearth. Then he demanded she go down to the river to get him some kind of clams? for dinner. So if she drowned in the show as well, I'm guessing she went to do the same thing. If she had just been allowed to rest a bit, she probably wouldn't have died. So I think they are both to blame in the show's scenario, whether Harry hit her or not. I always enjoy George and Julia. They're either super sweet like big sister and little brother, or they're hysterical because she eggs him on with his wild theories. As to them getting married, yeah I'm a bit anxious there too if I'm being completely honest. The truth is they were boring in S3 for the most part. At least I found them boring. There was little passion. No real drama or conflict except for the beginning and end of the season. But I guess it was kind of a stop gap point in time. Murdoch was stalling indefinitely... |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 18, 2014 15:15:04 GMT
I wouldn't put all the blame on poor little Willie. In the books his mother was hit by Harry and she smacked her head into the hearth. Then he demanded she go down to the river to get him some kind of clams? for dinner. So if she drowned in the show as well, I'm guessing she went to do the same thing. If she had just been allowed to rest a bit, she probably wouldn't have died. So I think they are both to blame in the show's scenario, whether Harry hit her or not. I always enjoy George and Julia. They're either super sweet like big sister and little brother, or they're hysterical because she eggs him on with his wild theories. The book and the show are two different things and totally different scenarios for her death. In the books Harry hits her, she falls and hits her head on the corner of the hearth. He then demands that she go down to the tide pools to collect shellfish of some sort. In the show Will is playing in the woodpile, spreads it all over and she slips on one of the logs during the argument with Harry. There's no mention of why she was in the water but it was clearly a stream and not the sea. Harry may be responsible for her inattention but he didn't hit her. Harry tells William categorically that he NEVER hit his son OR his wife. We cannot confuse the two scenarios. I was talking about the show not the books. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Sept 18, 2014 15:31:54 GMT
I wouldn't put all the blame on poor little Willie. In the books his mother was hit by Harry and she smacked her head into the hearth. Then he demanded she go down to the river to get him some kind of clams? for dinner. So if she drowned in the show as well, I'm guessing she went to do the same thing. If she had just been allowed to rest a bit, she probably wouldn't have died. So I think they are both to blame in the show's scenario, whether Harry hit her or not. I always enjoy George and Julia. They're either super sweet like big sister and little brother, or they're hysterical because she eggs him on with his wild theories. The book and the show are two different things and totally different scenarios for her death. In the books Harry hits her, she falls and hits her head on the corner of the hearth. He then demands that she go down to the tide pools to collect shellfish of some sort. In the show Will is playing in the woodpile, spreads it all over and she slips on one of the logs during the argument with Harry. There's no mention of why she was in the water but it was clearly a stream and not the sea. Harry may be responsible for her inattention but he didn't hit her. Harry tells William categorically that he NEVER hit his son OR his wife. We cannot confuse the two scenarios. I was talking about the show not the books. Well she could have been on her way to the ocean in order to get the shellfish... I honestly can't remember if she drowns in the ocean or a stream in the books. I know they're two different things but the show is based off of the books. It's a more idealized version. I.e. Harry is much more sympathetic in the show. As is Brackenreid. Hmm, then again, his mother just took the abuse in the books, whereas she was much more defiant in the show (again, more idealized). So she probably wasn't going down to the sea to get Harry's favourite treat. I suppose she could have just been on a walk to calm down after the fight and then passed out. So basically I've just decided you are right. Great now we have to put most of the blame on a little kid. Murdoch would be ruined if he ever found out. |
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Post by Hodge on Sept 18, 2014 15:50:25 GMT
The book and the show are two different things and totally different scenarios for her death. In the books Harry hits her, she falls and hits her head on the corner of the hearth. He then demands that she go down to the tide pools to collect shellfish of some sort. In the show Will is playing in the woodpile, spreads it all over and she slips on one of the logs during the argument with Harry. There's no mention of why she was in the water but it was clearly a stream and not the sea. Harry may be responsible for her inattention but he didn't hit her. Harry tells William categorically that he NEVER hit his son OR his wife. We cannot confuse the two scenarios. I was talking about the show not the books. Well she could have been on her way to the ocean in order to get the shellfish... I honestly can't remember if she drowns in the ocean or a stream in the books. I know they're two different things but the show is based off of the books. It's a more idealized version. I.e. Harry is much more sympathetic in the show. As is Brackenreid. Hmm, then again, his mother just took the abuse in the books, whereas she was much more defiant in the show (again, more idealized). So she probably wasn't going down to the sea to get Harry's favourite treat. I suppose she could have just been on a walk to calm down after the fight and then passed out. So basically I've just decided you are right. Great now we have to put most of the blame on a little kid. Murdoch would be ruined if he ever found out. Maybe that's why he remembered things differently than what happened. I think we have to separate the books from the show especially when a book storyline is used. It's always changed to suit the situation and you have to decide which version to make canon. For me if we're talking about the show I only use what's presented or inferred IN the show. If I'm quoting something here from the book I always state that it's from the book as I believe we're usually talking about the show. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 18, 2014 15:51:13 GMT
I must be a minority in thinking that William and Julia could get married and not kill the show. I know this has been the death of many shows but Murdoch Mysteries has five strong characters to work with. I would like them to get married and find creative ways to create tension among all five characters. Inspector Brackenried and Julie work a case together, maybe they have to work together because Murdoch and Crabtree have gotten themselves in a pickle.. I would like to see that relationship developed more. I would like to see a little more development with Brackenried and Emily too. George and Brackenried are comedy gold along with Crabtree and Higgins. And of course Murdoch has a past that needs to be explored more, like how did his mom end up face down in the creek. We know she fell and hit her head, and we know William found her in the water face down. How did she get there? Were these to separate incidences. I can't help but to feel her death is his driving force to get his man/woman at all costs. This show has so many combinations to work with, it doesn't always have to be about William and Julia. Don't get me wrong I love the episodes when they solve cases together. They are both super intelligent, they have the criminal mind element to work with and Julia brings the feminine touch to steer the boys to broaden their thought process. Julia has always helped them solve cases, that relationship will not change just because they are married. And lastly they can have tension in the relationship easy enough. In season 6 and 7 they had a few good disagreements and arguments that were powerful but they worked through them like most people in a relationship would do. I am bored with the will they wont they scenario, get it done and begin new story telling with creative ways of bringing tension to the whole gang. It's time for Emily to have a scare, maybe a Leslie Garland stalker. ; ) You're not in the minority. I'm in the minority (and a killjoy) for being extremely worried about that. Most people here think marriage is long overdue and MM will thrive after. There are a couple of ominous opinions to the effect that it's time for the marriage to occur and then it's time for MM to run its course. I'm for as much MM as possible! I don't usually *want* to see Emily...but I think it's because the writers haven't given me a good enough hook for her yet. She's been given conflicting backstories, mostly faded copies of other characters, and the stakes are not very high with her yet. But I don't dislike her, and I probably would want to see more of her if the writers dangled some serious bait. |
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Post by snacky on Sept 18, 2014 15:58:49 GMT
What we're forgetting here is not everyone that watches the show is a shipper. There's a large male following, as evidenced by the number of men at the MME, and not all the female fans are invested in the Jilliam relationship. The free iTunes ep really should have been posted on Reddit and other places Americans might find it. But I didn't do it precisely because of this: the Season 7 finally was obviously a "shipper" ep, and I thought it would actually turn new (male) views off from the show. For promotional purposes, I wish the free episode had been a different one. |
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