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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 6, 2014 13:59:52 GMT
When I said that "Is that a church I see?" comment caught my attention, I just wanted to emphasize that the MURDOCH MYSTERIES'team were about to film/shoot the wedding of Julia and William. I thought it was a good news. I didn't expect you to launch a debate on the possiblity or impossibility of celebrating it in the church because of William's religion.
By the way, I'm not able to participate in this discussion. The only thing I know is that a ceremony in a church seems very important for/to William. Remember, he dreamed of marrying Julia in a church in the first episode of the sixth season.
And I hope the writters made up a logic story/a coherent plot to get everyone agree upon this sensitive issue. |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 6, 2014 14:20:01 GMT
Regarding the 2-part episode: we think this is the one that will have stories from William's past - at least the part at the logging camp! Someone is going to have to explain how that boy ended up being schooled by Jesuits, working as a ranch hand, learning to box, as well as well as the basic skills of Tae Kwon Do (Victoria Cross), and teaching himself just about everything to do with practical science all before joining the Toronto constabulary.  I hope not! I'm not intersting by William's past. I'm not against some hints/allusions but not an whole two-part episode. IMHO. And CosmicCavalcadeGod has an interesting explanation. I quote: "Going back to your first post, the first episode they shot for S8 was #803 because that was the episode Yannick directed and whichever one he directs has to be the first one they film for the season. After that he wouldn't be able to manage all the acting and directing responsibilities....so I've heard.  ". |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Jul 6, 2014 15:15:32 GMT
Can't tell exactly if it's her though. I think it has to be someone else's wedding in the church, though William and Julia may get married in that episode. Here is a link to the Tumblr tag in case more pics come up: www.tumblr.com/search/Murdoch+Mysteries/recentAlso I hope church wedding doesn't imply a frou-frou dress.  What a disappointment! It would be a disaster for Julia/William shippers if there was a someone else's wedding in the same episode of their wedding. They waited too long time and surely they would expect for a very special episode for a very special day in their life. I know that what I'm going to say is nosense  but the woman on the picture reminds me of Sophie/Jacqueline CHIASSON (Cristina ROSATO). Maybe she escaped/avoided the hanging and she is about to get marry because she is a kind of "veuve noire" (a woman who kills her husband to inherit his fortune and then searchs an other rich man to marry him and then again to kill him, and so on). Concerning the man, at first, I thought it was George but now I'm not sure. Are you sure those or these (   ) pictures come from the filming of the MURDOCH MYSTERIES show? I read a comment about the wedding dress of Julia but I can remember where or who did it. Indeed I didn't notice that she wore the same dress when she married Darcy and in the William's dream. So I wish she will wear a new one this time... and yes, without FROU-FROU! |
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Post by snacky on Jul 6, 2014 15:52:53 GMT
I don't think that bride actually looked like Julia. Though I can't be sure. I won't complain what she wears or where they get married. After 8 series I'd just like them to get married. I didn't think she looked like Helene Joy either, but it was really hard to tell. And where was Yannick? >.> Also, the "too far away to tell" story seems a bit convenient. As someone who works very marginally in the social media field, it is possible for someone to get paid a few bucks to stealth advertise something in a personal blog. This form of social marketing goes over better than a total stranger starting up a new blog and saying "Hey, I'm one of you, buy this for $19.99!", but of course it amounts to psychological manipulation. Don't begrudge a poor student with a Tumblr a few bucks, though. YouTube Barons who are actually making millions off of other peoples content - save your begrudge for them! XD |
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Post by snacky on Jul 6, 2014 16:22:49 GMT
I didn't expect you to launch a debate on the possiblity or impossibility of celebrating it in the church because of William's religion.
By the way, The only thing I know is that a ceremony in a church seems very important for/to William. Remember, he dreamed of marrying Julia in a church in the first episode of the sixth season.
And I hope the writters made up a logic story/a coherent plot to get everyone agree upon this sensitive issue. Don't worry, it isn't a hostile discussion. I think we all love Murdoch Mysteries here, and a lot of us also love history so we also talk about historical issues and problems William might confront. The problem of Protestantism vs. Catholicism was discussed at length here because we had some deeply religious people involved in the discussion as well as some secular people (no Catholics as far as I knew, but a couple of us did some research). Anyway, we all agree that a ceremony in a church is very important to William. But if the show wants to be historically accurate, there would be almost no chance of that happening: it would involve someone converting or Julia agreeing to stuff she wouldn't agree to. William is at (low) risk of excommunication just by getting married to Julia: they will be lucky to even find a minister/priest to marry them. The good news is this problem creates great dramatic fodder for the writers! I hope they realized all this and used the gifts of dramatic conflict they were given! I raise a toast to your hope for a logical story and coherent point, and that everyone will be pleased on how the writers resolve any "sensitive issues". |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jul 6, 2014 16:36:35 GMT
I think it has to be someone else's wedding in the church, though William and Julia may get married in that episode. Here is a link to the Tumblr tag in case more pics come up: www.tumblr.com/search/Murdoch+Mysteries/recentAlso I hope church wedding doesn't imply a frou-frou dress. What a disappointment! It would be a disaster for Julia/William shippers if there was a someone else's wedding in the same episode of their wedding. They waited too long time and surely they would expect for a very special episode for a very special day in their life. I know that what I'm going to say is nosense but the woman on the picture reminds me of Sophie/Jacqueline CHIASSON (Cristina ROSATO). Maybe she escaped/avoided the hanging and she is about to get marry because she is a kind of "veuve noire" (a woman who kills her husband to inherit his fortune and then searchs an other rich man to marry him and then again to kill him, and so on). Concerning the man, at first, I thought it was George but now I'm not sure. Are you sure those or these ( ) pictures come from the filming of the MURDOCH MYSTERIES show? I read a comment about the wedding dress of Julia but I can remember where or who did it. Indeed I didn't notice that she wore the same dress when she married Darcy and in the William's dream. So I wish she will wear a new one this time... and yes, without FROU-FROU! I'm not sure but why else would the area be closed off to pedestrians, with security and whatnot? And in the pic with Maureen you see the same yellow tape behind her. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jul 6, 2014 16:40:25 GMT
I don't think that bride actually looked like Julia. Though I can't be sure. I won't complain what she wears or where they get married. After 8 series I'd just like them to get married. I didn't think she looked like Helene Joy either, but it was really hard to tell. And where was Yannick? >.> Also, the "too far away to tell" story seems a bit convenient. As someone who works very marginally in the social media field, it is possible for someone to get paid a few bucks to stealth advertise something in a personal blog. This form of social marketing goes over better than a total stranger starting up a new blog and saying "Hey, I'm one of you, buy this for $19.99!", but of course it amounts to psychological manipulation. Don't begrudge a poor student with a Tumblr a few bucks, though. YouTube Barons who are actually making millions off of other peoples content - save your begrudge for them! XD Lol I did think it was rather coincidental that she just happened across the filming and then just happened to take blurry photos so that you can't really tell anything...still I'm going to try not to be cynical for once because it suits my purposes.  |
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Post by snacky on Jul 6, 2014 16:48:48 GMT
What a disappointment! It would be a disaster for Julia/William shippers if there was a someone else's wedding in the same episode of their wedding. They waited too long time and surely they would expect for a very special episode for a very special day in their life.
Maybe she escaped/avoided the hanging and she is about to get marry because she is a kind of "veuve noire"
So I wish she will wear a new one this time... and yes, without FROU-FROU!
I don't think MM will devote an entire episode to the wedding unless a mystery is involved. For one thing, not all the viewers are shippers. The non-shippers will resent it if shippers hijack even one episode, and they will scream: SOAP OPERA! That said, I do hope a lot of attention is paid to the wedding even if it is subordinated to a mystery plot of some kind. I love the term "veuve noire" (black widow!). While we're on crazy scenarios - maybe it's James Gillies returned from the dead and faking a wedding in yet another over-the-top way of ruining William and Julia's life!  Thank you for your support on the wedding dress. PLEASE HEAR US O MM COSTUME GODS!  Credit: 22Ontariostreet |
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Post by snacky on Jul 6, 2014 16:56:41 GMT
I didn't think she looked like Helene Joy either, but it was really hard to tell. And where was Yannick? >.> Also, the "too far away to tell" story seems a bit convenient. As someone who works very marginally in the social media field, it is possible for someone to get paid a few bucks to stealth advertise something in a personal blog. This form of social marketing goes over better than a total stranger starting up a new blog and saying "Hey, I'm one of you, buy this for $19.99!", but of course it amounts to psychological manipulation. Don't begrudge a poor student with a Tumblr a few bucks, though. YouTube Barons who are actually making millions off of other peoples content - save your begrudge for them! XD Lol I did think it was rather coincidental that she just happened across the filming and then just happened to take blurry photos so that you can't really tell anything...still I'm going to try not to be cynical for once because it suits my purposes. Yes give the benefit of the doubt: at least don't assume the whole account is that of marketing shill masquerading as fake teenage squee-machine from the beginning, planted in Tumblr as a sleeper double-agent. The far easier thing to do is to give someone with an existing blog a few bucks to "mention" something in their blog, with a few provisions. Marketers are getting much savvier about these provisions and how to make it look natural! (Perhaps because marketers are now from a generation that actually use things like Tumblr). Anyway, as you said, it might be a genuine blurry photo, and there's no call to be cynical. I'm also on MM's side when it comes to marketing. But if these were seeded by marketeers, it seems to me their viral strategy is to get us to debate the authenticity of the photos. Otherwise, why make it unclear who is in the photos and who is getting married and whether the wedding will take place on the 100th episode? |
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Post by snacky on Jul 6, 2014 17:00:24 GMT
I'm not sure but why else would the area be closed off to pedestrians, with security and whatnot? And in the pic with Maureen you see the same yellow tape behind her. Wouldn't filming areas always be closed to pedestrians (especially for period pieces), to prevent people in modern-looking garb from walking into the shot? Also, wouldn't their be legal implications, re: people tripping over equipment, or the danger of a skateboarder crashing into a $10,000 camera? |
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Post by snacky on Jul 6, 2014 17:04:12 GMT
I think it would be interesting if the past is woven into issues of the present instead of told as a separate story. CosmicCavalcadeGod is correct: when Yannick directed in the past, the episodes were also produced out of order. |
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Post by carco on Jul 6, 2014 18:00:32 GMT
What do you mean by 'throwing all their 1902 research out the window'? Sorry, I wouldn't have gotten into the conversation last night if I'd known I was going to have to sign off soon after...sigh I saw that snacky jumped in to explain and she is partially correct regarding the religion aspect.... but I don't know enough about the Roman Catholic rules in Toronto in those days to know for sure whether or not they could marry in a RC Church even assuming Julia agreed to leave William alone to practice his faith and to raise any children from the marriage as Roman Catholic. What I could find, that was surprising to me was that it seems the rules could be different depending upon local laws, etc. It seems to be a complicated issue and I couldn't pin down anything regarding Toronto specifically in 1902. Mostly what I found was that the church would allow a priest could officiate an RC church wedding as long as Julia agreed in writing to the points I mentioned above. Now how long it took to get that approval or how high up in the church hierarchy they had to go to get the approval, I don't know. I assumed J& W would be able to marry in a Catholic Church and was mostly referring to research on Edwardian customs for a widow's 2nd wedding (and I assume the MM Research Dept. was way ahead of me with more reliable info!). From what I can ascertain, Julia's 2nd wedding would have called for a low key event in comparison to the first wedding. The bride would likely not wear white and (I think I read) a flower or a cap but no veil. For some reason orange blossoms were definelty out of the questions in these events (don't ask, I have no idea why!!!) So in the picture that was posted, I would be very surprised if the bride on the steps of the church is Julia...as it would seem to go against what I thought a widow's 2nd wedding outfit would look like in 1902. |
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Post by carco on Jul 6, 2014 18:18:47 GMT
I think it would be interesting if the past is woven into issues of the present instead of told as a separate story. When I think about how Murdoch's early years comes to be retold I was thinking that it could be a result of William and Julia having some quiet time together before their wedding and Julia asks him more about his life after his mother died. As William tells her about his early life, that's when we see his story played out. |
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Post by snacky on Jul 6, 2014 18:31:02 GMT
.... but I don't know enough about the Roman Catholic rules in Toronto in those days to know for sure whether or not they could marry in a RC Church even assuming Julia agreed to leave William alone to practice his faith and to raise any children from the marriage as Roman Catholic. What I could find, that was surprising to me was that it seems the rules could be different depending upon local laws, etc. Mostly what I found was that the church would allow a priest could officiate an RC church wedding as long as Julia agreed in writing to the points I mentioned above. I assumed J& W would be able to marry in a Catholic Church and was mostly referring to research on Edwardian customs for a widow's 2nd wedding (and I assume the MM Research Dept. was way ahead of me with more reliable info!). From what I can ascertain, Julia's 2nd wedding would have called for a low key event in comparison to the first wedding. The bride would likely not wear white and (I think I read) a flower or a cap but no veil. For some reason orange blossoms were definelty out of the questions in these events (don't ask, I have no idea why!!!) So in the picture that was posted, I would be very surprised if the bride on the steps of the church is Julia...as it would seem to go against what I thought a widow's 2nd wedding outfit would look like in 1902. This is the conversation I remembered, but I couldn't find it!!! Either it got buried, or we got modded for saying something that offended someone's religious sensibilities.  Again, I doubt Julia would agree to anything, even to marry William. She's just not cut out to be agreeable. She's built to be oppositional, and William loves her for that.    Credit for 1 and 3: CosmicCavalcadeCredit for 2: 22OntarioStreet |
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Post by snacky on Jul 6, 2014 18:37:49 GMT
I think it would be interesting if the past is woven into issues of the present instead of told as a separate story. When I think about how Murdoch's early years comes to be retold I was thinking that it could be a result of William and Julia having some quiet time together before their wedding and Julia asks him more about his life after his mother died. As William tells her about his early life, that's when we see his story played out. It could also be the result of the past coming back to haunt William in the form of a mystery involving a logging camp friend - wildhorsesannie was brewing up a fic plot about an injustice leading William to join the constabulary in the first place. Or it could just be a matter of trying to get a hold of people from the past to come to the wedding. But, alas, in the end no one can come, so it just has to be an intimate gathering with their friends from Station House 4. Dying to know who they will find to marry them!   Credit: CosmicCavalcade |
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but the woman on the picture reminds me of Sophie/Jacqueline CHIASSON (Cristina ROSATO). Maybe she escaped/avoided the hanging and she is about to get marry because she is a kind of "veuve noire" (a woman who kills her husband to inherit his fortune and then searchs an other rich man to marry him and then again to kill him, and so on).
) pictures come from the filming of the MURDOCH MYSTERIES show?
