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Post by snacky on Oct 21, 2014 6:55:56 GMT
Grr I don't see it anywhere yet and VPN doesn't work for me.  snacky, there are lots of VPN's out there. Why don't you try and find yourself another one. Because my finances right now are not such that VPNs are high on my list to spend money on. I'd sponsor an MM fic archive first. (Or put a down-payment on a wriggly pocket-sized pug puppy!) Hola - the one I've been trying to make work, is free. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 21, 2014 7:04:55 GMT
Okay, for me, this episode wasn't so much a great, single ep as it was a collection of great moments. The Bat Masterson angle story was good, and all in all, it was fun, but it lacked the punch of a combined 801 & 802. Still this episode will be a classic in the reactions it had, and honestly I loved Julia at the church, and her questions. Loved how the priest recognized where her true problems were, and made her answer some questions-she's right-religion is a big part of who William is, and she did need to better understand it. No, I don't think she's found religion, but she does have a better grasp of that part of William and that's necessary. Nicely done and good character development on her part-we've said so much about William growing, it was time Julia make a visible effort, and she did, IMHO. TBH, I always suspected it wasn't going to be that big of a deal- Julia would talk to the priest, agree to raise the kids Catholic, and maybe educate them to her feelings as well on the side-letting them make the choice on their own. That's not quite how it went down (or at least what we saw), but that's okay. I'm happy with the resolution on this storyline. Sorry, Snacky. No excommunication or high angst. But WTF was William thinking when Julia was going to live with him at Mrs. Kitchen's? I suspected there was an issue about him being a good provider there, but he still hasn't talked to Julia about it. Silly boy. I know why it's important to him- he's worked hard to not become his father, who was probably a poor provider and drank away a lot of his earnings. He probably doesn't have an issue with working women because his mom worked as well, I'm willing to bet. It's not surprising that he's being so traditional, but I would thought Julia would have had that chat with him by now about money.  OMG! The reactions in the bordello and again at his Bachelor Party. Pure win! I'm still disappointed that the tie didn't come off at the end, though. Waiting for your thoughts! |
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Post by snacky on Oct 21, 2014 7:19:32 GMT
Okay, for me, this episode wasn't so much a great, single ep as it was a collection of great moments. The Bat Masterson angle story was good, and all in all, it was fun, but it lacked the punch of a combined 801 & 802. Still this episode will be a classic in the reactions it had, and honestlyI loved Julia at the church, and her questions. Loved how the priest recognized where her true problems were, and made her answer some questions-she's right-religion is a big part of who William is, and she did need to better understand it. No, I don't think she's found religion, but she does have a better grasp of that part of William and that's necessary. Nicely done and good character development on her part-we've said so much about William growing, it was time Julia make a visible effort, and she did, IMHO. TBH, I always suspected it wasn't going to be that big of a deal- Julia would take to the priest, agree to raise the kids Catholic, and maybe educate them to her feelings as well on the side-letting them make the choice on their own. That's not quite how it went down (or at least what we saw), but that's okay. I'm happy with the resolution on this storyline. Sorry, Snacky. No excommunication or high angst. But WTF was William thinking when Julia was going to live with him at Mrs. Kitchen's? I suspected there was an issue about him being a good provider there, but he still hasn't talked to Julia about it. Silly boy. I know why it's important to him- he's worked hard to not become his father, who was probably a poor provider and drank away a lot of his earnings. He probably doesn't have an issue with working women because his mom worked as well, I'm willing to bet. It's not surprising that he's being so traditional, but I would thought Julia would have had that chat with him by now about money. OMG! The reactions in the bordello and again at his Bachelor Party. Pure win! I'm still disappointed that the tie didn't come off at the end, though. Waiting for your thoughts! Hey - I never wanted the excommunication to get in the way of the wedding! I want to save that for a later story line. That's great stand-alone angst! Did Julia actually agree to raise her children as Catholics? She would have to do that to get the wedding in Catholic church. The thing about William bringing Julia to the boarding house is WTF, but it just makes me lol. Obviously we're all going to have to revisist and lower the bar on just how clueless he is. That's taking frugal to a whole new level! And his attachment to Mrs. Kitchen is epic! That almost makes him a Mama's Boy! But since he grew up with out a family, Mrs. Kitchen has become his Mama, lol. Now he doesn't want to leave her, hahahha. The building a house thing does remind me of Little House on the Prairie. It was probably normal for all his progenitors to build their houses. But he has to wake up and smell the cappuccino! This is the 20th century and houses come with too many amenities for one man to handle these days! I saw something on Tumblr last week that suggested Julia's snort after the park walk meant something like: "Well I have loads of money, and I'm going to take care of my man whether you like it or not." If that was Julia's plan, she definitely better start talking before William starts laying foundation stones! William seems to get more innocent by the hour.  I just re-installed Chrome, and added Hola to it. Let's see if I have any luck with that. Sigh.  |
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Post by snacky on Oct 21, 2014 7:24:46 GMT
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 21, 2014 7:38:54 GMT
Okay, for me, this episode wasn't so much a great, single ep as it was a collection of great moments. The Bat Masterson angle story was good, and all in all, it was fun, but it lacked the punch of a combined 801 & 802. Still this episode will be a classic in the reactions it had, and honestlyI loved Julia at the church, and her questions. Loved how the priest recognized where her true problems were, and made her answer some questions-she's right-religion is a big part of who William is, and she did need to better understand it. No, I don't think she's found religion, but she does have a better grasp of that part of William and that's necessary. Nicely done and good character development on her part-we've said so much about William growing, it was time Julia make a visible effort, and she did, IMHO. TBH, I always suspected it wasn't going to be that big of a deal- Julia would take to the priest, agree to raise the kids Catholic, and maybe educate them to her feelings as well on the side-letting them make the choice on their own. That's not quite how it went down (or at least what we saw), but that's okay. I'm happy with the resolution on this storyline. Sorry, Snacky. No excommunication or high angst. But WTF was William thinking when Julia was going to live with him at Mrs. Kitchen's? I suspected there was an issue about him being a good provider there, but he still hasn't talked to Julia about it. Silly boy. I know why it's important to him- he's worked hard to not become his father, who was probably a poor provider and drank away a lot of his earnings. He probably doesn't have an issue with working women because his mom worked as well, I'm willing to bet. It's not surprising that he's being so traditional, but I would thought Julia would have had that chat with him by now about money. OMG! The reactions in the bordello and again at his Bachelor Party. Pure win! I'm still disappointed that the tie didn't come off at the end, though. Waiting for your thoughts! Hey - I never wanted the excommunication to get in the way of the wedding! I want to save that for a later story line. That's great stand-alone angst! Did Julia actually agree to raise her children as Catholics? She would have to do that to get the wedding in Catholic church. The thing about William bringing Julia to the boarding house is WTF, but it just makes me lol. Obviously we're all going to have to revisist and lower the bar on just how clueless he is. That's taking frugal to a whole new level! And his attachment to Mrs. Kitchen is epic! That almost makes him a Mama's Boy! But since he grew up with out a family, Mrs. Kitchen has become his Mama, lol. Now he doesn't want to leave her, hahahha. The building a house thing does remind me of Little House on the Prairie. It was probably normal for all his progenitors to build their houses. But he has to wake up and smell the cappuccino! This is the 20th century and houses come with too many amenities for one man to handle these days! I saw something on Tumblr last week that suggested Julia's snort after the park walk meant something like: "Well I have loads of money, and I'm going to take care of my man whether you like it or not." If that was Julia's plan, she definitely better start talking before William starts laying foundation stones! William seems to get more innocent by the hour. I just re-installed Chrome, and added Hola to it. Let's see if I have any luck with that. Sigh. There was nothing in the episode about her agreeing to do so, but it seems implied. She won't be the first nor the last to agree to that, and there's nothing that says she can't share her thoughts as well. It is important that William would want to share his faith with the children, and I think she gets that. I doubt that William will do anything to get excommunicated. He's not Martin Luther with 95 theses at Wittenberg, and he's not some egotistical HRE with an agenda. I mean, i knew William wasn't the worldliest of men, but even George saw that moving in with Mrs. Kitchen wasn't the best idea. I wonder if he secretly told Julia or even Mrs. K, who disabused him of this notion. Love, how George cared enough to send him off to matrimony in style, despite what the others said. I think William even managed to enjoy himself at the end (after Mrs. Kitchen saw the belly dancer and took her cue to leave-reminding him that breakfast was at its usual time) and decided to embrace the moment while enjoying a nice drink. I would have at least liked to see him loosen the tie and let his hair down a bit, but he wouldn't be our William if he did that. I almost forgot-the virgin!William theory picked up some credibility tonight.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 21, 2014 9:23:36 GMT
I think they'll have their conversation about the church at the beginning of the ep but then all hell breaks lose with the butch cassidy gang and so the parties won't be till the very end and they'll cut away from showing the aftermath... ie. drunk william going to find julia after his tie has mysteriously gone missing.
Everything is tenuously arranged with the church...until the bat masterson and the butch cassidy gang shoot up! After that William and Julia are no longer welcome. They go off to cry under a weeping a willow. I predict Julia will discover drunk!William's tie is missing at the end of the evening and go ballistic. Please write this fic.  |
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Post by snacky on Oct 21, 2014 9:25:28 GMT
There was nothing in the episode about her agreeing to do so, but it seems implied. She won't be the first nor the last to agree to that, and there's nothing that says she can't share her thoughts as well. It is important that William would want to share his faith with the children, and I think she gets that. I doubt that William will do anything to get excommunicated. He's not Martin Luther with 95 theses at Wittenberg, and he's not some egotistical HRE with an agenda. I mean, i knew William wasn't the worldliest of men, but even George saw that moving in with Mrs. Kitchen wasn't the best idea. I wonder if he secretly told Julia or even Mrs. K, who disabused him of this notion. Love, how George cared enough to send him off to matrimony in style, despite what the others said. I think William even managed to enjoy himself at the end (after Mrs. Kitchen saw the belly dancer and took her cue to leave-reminding him that breakfast was at its usual time) and decided to embrace the moment while enjoying a nice drink. I would have at least liked to see him loosen the tie and let his hair down a bit, but he wouldn't be our William if he did that. I almost forgot-the virgin!William theory picked up some credibility tonight. I still think Julia would get her dander up when it came to the Father getting to pass His faith on to the children. Re: Excommunication - I think it might come up in a case where William would have to contest Papal Infallibility somehow. Or he might refuse to back off of a corruption (child abuse?) case that the Church hierarchy was pressuring him to leave alone for political reasons. Either way, I think this would be a great angsty!William choice. I love the sound of George The Man managing the entire Frugal William problem behind the scenes. I bet William may have loosened up after a drink or two after the episode ended. Then some of our OTHER possibilities might come into play - including a tie-loosened William fleeing the Belly Dancer and begging Julia's forgiveness, hahaha  I totally see where the support for the Virgin Theory is coming from. He does come across as a bit of a Bambi from the sound of this episode. How could he NOT know it's a bad thing to bring Julia home to stay with Mama at the Boarding House? I think that can only be explained by massive inexperience almost going back to the Asperger's level of Season 1. Well it's 2:30am, and the links still aren't being generous. It baffles me why the episode was available within the hour last week, but no one is even bothering this week. Yet by all accounts, it's a wonderful episode! Anyway I'm being forced to sleep on it. Nitey nite. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 21, 2014 9:26:40 GMT
Since you guys aren't going to see it any time soon, I'll leave you with this Emily quote, "Mr. Masterson, you are old enough to be my father." Can't blame him for trying. Julia shot him down after all. Maybe he also has a thing for intelligent women. Whatever-I liked that scene-she put him in his place. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 21, 2014 9:29:25 GMT
Since you guys aren't going to see it any time soon, I'll leave you with this Emily quote, "Mr. Masterson, you are old enough to be my father." Can't blame him for trying. Julia shot him down after all. Maybe he also has a thing for intelligent women. Whatever-I liked that scene-she put him in his place. It sounds like William trusts Julia around other flirtatious men! Though this reminds me of the H.G. Wells visit in Future Imperfect where William literally leaves Julia in the hands of the Enemy, lol. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 21, 2014 9:40:49 GMT
There was nothing in the episode about her agreeing to do so, but it seems implied. She won't be the first nor the last to agree to that, and there's nothing that says she can't share her thoughts as well. It is important that William would want to share his faith with the children, and I think she gets that. I doubt that William will do anything to get excommunicated. He's not Martin Luther with 95 theses at Wittenberg, and he's not some egotistical HRE with an agenda. I mean, i knew William wasn't the worldliest of men, but even George saw that moving in with Mrs. Kitchen wasn't the best idea. I wonder if he secretly told Julia or even Mrs. K, who disabused him of this notion. Love, how George cared enough to send him off to matrimony in style, despite what the others said. I think William even managed to enjoy himself at the end (after Mrs. Kitchen saw the belly dancer and took her cue to leave-reminding him that breakfast was at its usual time) and decided to embrace the moment while enjoying a nice drink. I would have at least liked to see him loosen the tie and let his hair down a bit, but he wouldn't be our William if he did that. I almost forgot-the virgin!William theory picked up some credibility tonight. I still think Julia would get her dander up when it came to the Father getting to pass His faith on to the children. Re: Excommunication - I think it might come up in a case where William would have to contest Papal Infallibility somehow. Or he might refuse to back off of a corruption (child abuse?) case that the Church hierarchy was pressuring him to leave alone for political reasons. Either way, I think this would be a great angsty!William choice. I love the sound of George The Man managing the entire Frugal William problem behind the scenes. I bet William may have loosened up after a drink or two after the episode ended. Then some of our OTHER possibilities might come into play - including a tie-loosened William fleeing the Belly Dancer and begging Julia's forgiveness, hahaha I totally see where the support for the Virgin Theory is coming from. He does come across as a bit of a Bambi from the sound of this episode. How could he NOT know it's a bad thing to bring Julia home to stay with Mama at the Boarding House? I think that can only be explained by massive inexperience almost going back to the Asperger's level of Season 1. Well it's 2:30am, and the links still aren't being generous. It baffles me why the episode was available within the hour last week, but no one is even bothering this week. Yet by all accounts, it's a wonderful episode! Anyway I'm being forced to sleep on it. Nitey nite. I bet Julia will only be upset that she wasn't there to see it-she was quite taken with the dancing girl in MiRT. She'd probably laugh hysterically if she saw his reaction to the drink and girl. There's another scene that hints at virginity-I'll let you discover it on your own and see if you come to the same conclusion. Julia may not be thrilled that she's agreed to raise her children Catholic, but she's admitted that it's a very big deal to her husband to be, and this is a compromise/sacrifice she's going to make for him. Again, her sacrifices are quiet(if you could call this one). She can still talk to them and explain her beliefs as well. Then, the kids can make their own decisions. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 21, 2014 9:42:48 GMT
Can't blame him for trying. Julia shot him down after all. Maybe he also has a thing for intelligent women. Whatever-I liked that scene-she put him in his place. It sounds like William trusts Julia around other flirtatious men! Though this reminds me of the H.G. Wells visit in Future Imperfect where William literally leaves Julia in the hands of the Enemy, lol. He was obtuse in Future Imperfect! One of the reasons he lost her-he threw her to the enemy in that scene. Not deliberately, but still. That would have made me question things in my relationship as well. |
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Post by lovemondays on Oct 21, 2014 13:46:31 GMT
Okay, for me, this episode wasn't so much a great, single ep as it was a collection of great moments. The Bat Masterson angle story was good, and all in all, it was fun, but it lacked the punch of a combined 801 & 802. Still this episode will be a classic in the reactions it had, and honestlyI loved Julia at the church, and her questions. Loved how the priest recognized where her true problems were, and made her answer some questions-she's right-religion is a big part of who William is, and she did need to better understand it. No, I don't think she's found religion, but she does have a better grasp of that part of William and that's necessary. Nicely done and good character development on her part-we've said so much about William growing, it was time Julia make a visible effort, and she did, IMHO. TBH, I always suspected it wasn't going to be that big of a deal- Julia would take to the priest, agree to raise the kids Catholic, and maybe educate them to her feelings as well on the side-letting them make the choice on their own. That's not quite how it went down (or at least what we saw), but that's okay. I'm happy with the resolution on this storyline. Sorry, Snacky. No excommunication or high angst. But WTF was William thinking when Julia was going to live with him at Mrs. Kitchen's? I suspected there was an issue about him being a good provider there, but he still hasn't talked to Julia about it. Silly boy. I know why it's important to him- he's worked hard to not become his father, who was probably a poor provider and drank away a lot of his earnings. He probably doesn't have an issue with working women because his mom worked as well, I'm willing to bet. It's not surprising that he's being so traditional, but I would thought Julia would have had that chat with him by now about money. OMG! The reactions in the bordello and again at his Bachelor Party. Pure win! I'm still disappointed that the tie didn't come off at the end, though. Waiting for your thoughts! My favourite part of this episode is Julia's growth in her willingness to embrace and gain some understanding of William's religious beliefs. I practically melted when she said, "I want to marry all of you". Awwww. It's about time! William has done so much of the sacrificing in this relationship. It was a bit of a giggle seeing her squirm at the beginning when she was looking at all the hellfire and damnation depicted in the stained-glass windows. I really liked how the dialogue between Julia and the priest took place over several days. IMO, the priest was a very forward thinker in asking only that Julia think about "why is a belief in God important?" He wasn't trying to convert her to Catholicism, just to have her gain some insight into why William thinks it is (and maybe help her own beliefs at the same time). I also liked that she wasn't afraid to express her frustration with God to him. I agree that this was handled very well indeed. WTF indeed about living at Mrs. Kitchen's?  ? Julia owns a house for crying out loud! William wasn't wearing blinkers...he had on a bloody blindfold! Clearly no discussion between them. Does anyone else feel a decided lack of enthusiasm for getting this wedding planned? My feeling is they both very much want to BE married, it's the GETTING married that stymies them. Julia's lack of planning feels a lot like deja vu. I'm choosing to believe that she needed to get the church thing settled first. Admittedly that was a really big bit of planning. There are several points of discontinuity that are irking me but I'll save that till everyone has seen it. Loved, loved, loved embarrassed William. I too would have liked him to at least run a finger to loosen his collar a bit. SOMEONE has to write that fic! |
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Post by lovemondays on Oct 21, 2014 13:53:23 GMT
So jungle!William was conspicuously absent when Masterson was putting the moves on his lady. I can't decide if Brax was goading him into action, or to hurry up and ask Julia if Mrs. B could help plan the wedding. Probably both but Brax had a quiet dinner uppermost in his mind, lol. Jungle!William knows his lady can handle herself....he finds it very sexy. H e also knows there's a kick-ass corset and boots under that navy suit. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 21, 2014 14:17:18 GMT
I still think Julia would get her dander up when it came to the Father getting to pass His faith on to the children. Re: Excommunication - I think it might come up in a case where William would have to contest Papal Infallibility somehow. Or he might refuse to back off of a corruption (child abuse?) case that the Church hierarchy was pressuring him to leave alone for political reasons. Either way, I think this would be a great angsty!William choice. I love the sound of George The Man managing the entire Frugal William problem behind the scenes. I bet William may have loosened up after a drink or two after the episode ended. Then some of our OTHER possibilities might come into play - including a tie-loosened William fleeing the Belly Dancer and begging Julia's forgiveness, hahaha I totally see where the support for the Virgin Theory is coming from. He does come across as a bit of a Bambi from the sound of this episode. How could he NOT know it's a bad thing to bring Julia home to stay with Mama at the Boarding House? I think that can only be explained by massive inexperience almost going back to the Asperger's level of Season 1. Well it's 2:30am, and the links still aren't being generous. It baffles me why the episode was available within the hour last week, but no one is even bothering this week. Yet by all accounts, it's a wonderful episode! Anyway I'm being forced to sleep on it. Nitey nite. I bet Julia will only be upset that she wasn't there to see it-she was quite taken with the dancing girl in MiRT. She'd probably laugh hysterically if she saw his reaction to the drink and girl. There's another scene that hints at virginity-I'll let you discover it on your own and see if you come to the same conclusion. Julia may not be thrilled that she's agreed to raise her children Catholic, but she's admitted that it's a very big deal to her husband to be, and this is a compromise/sacrifice she's going to make for him. Again, her sacrifices are quiet(if you could call this one). She can still talk to them and explain her beliefs as well. Then, the kids can make their own decisions. I'm remembering now that when I wrote their wedding fic like 2 years ago, William took her to his church for an interview knowing full well things wouldn't go well...Julia blew up in the priests face when she had to agree to not only raise the kids Catholic, but never ever undermine his faith...anyway, she eventually calmed down and agreed to raise them Catholic as long as they would have the choice in their beliefs later on in life when they could make such decisions for themselves. But they didn't get married in the Catholic church because she made such a bad impression on the priest. So yeah...my point was, I liked how they handled it in this ep more than my own story. But we're also talking S5 Julia here. And yes, those are the sorts of scenes that used to have me firmly in the virgin camp. Now I find it kinda fun to think it could be either way.  |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 21, 2014 14:26:24 GMT
Okay, for me, this episode wasn't so much a great, single ep as it was a collection of great moments. The Bat Masterson angle story was good, and all in all, it was fun, but it lacked the punch of a combined 801 & 802. Still this episode will be a classic in the reactions it had, and honestlyI loved Julia at the church, and her questions. Loved how the priest recognized where her true problems were, and made her answer some questions-she's right-religion is a big part of who William is, and she did need to better understand it. No, I don't think she's found religion, but she does have a better grasp of that part of William and that's necessary. Nicely done and good character development on her part-we've said so much about William growing, it was time Julia make a visible effort, and she did, IMHO. TBH, I always suspected it wasn't going to be that big of a deal- Julia would take to the priest, agree to raise the kids Catholic, and maybe educate them to her feelings as well on the side-letting them make the choice on their own. That's not quite how it went down (or at least what we saw), but that's okay. I'm happy with the resolution on this storyline. Sorry, Snacky. No excommunication or high angst. But WTF was William thinking when Julia was going to live with him at Mrs. Kitchen's? I suspected there was an issue about him being a good provider there, but he still hasn't talked to Julia about it. Silly boy. I know why it's important to him- he's worked hard to not become his father, who was probably a poor provider and drank away a lot of his earnings. He probably doesn't have an issue with working women because his mom worked as well, I'm willing to bet. It's not surprising that he's being so traditional, but I would thought Julia would have had that chat with him by now about money. OMG! The reactions in the bordello and again at his Bachelor Party. Pure win! I'm still disappointed that the tie didn't come off at the end, though. Waiting for your thoughts! My favourite part of this episode is Julia's growth in her willingness to embrace and gain some understanding of William's religious beliefs. I practically melted when she said, "I want to marry all of you". Awwww. It's about time! William has done so much of the sacrificing in this relationship. It was a bit of a giggle seeing her squirm at the beginning when she was looking at all the hellfire and damnation depicted in the stained-glass windows. I really liked how the dialogue between Julia and the priest took place over several days. IMO, the priest was a very forward thinker in asking only that Julia think about "why is a belief in God important?" He wasn't trying to convert her to Catholicism, just to have her gain some insight into why William thinks it is (and maybe help her own beliefs at the same time). I also liked that she wasn't afraid to express her frustration with God to him. I agree that this was handled very well indeed. WTF indeed about living at Mrs. Kitchen's? ? Julia owns a house for crying out loud! William wasn't wearing blinkers...he had on a bloody blindfold! Clearly no discussion between them. Does anyone else feel a decided lack of enthusiasm for getting this wedding planned? My feeling is they both very much want to BE married, it's the GETTING married that stymies them. Julia's lack of planning feels a lot like deja vu. I'm choosing to believe that she needed to get the church thing settled first. Admittedly that was a really big bit of planning. There are several points of discontinuity that are irking me but I'll save that till everyone has seen it. Loved, loved, loved embarrassed William. I too would have liked him to at least run a finger to loosen his collar a bit. SOMEONE has to write that fic! Agree. The church stuff was handled very well...though I was a little confused as to what she actually compromised on. I mean, she must have to some extent, no matter how forward thinking the priest was. The discontinuity...you mean like the whole food thing? Or how Brax didn't break out his autograph book and fanboy to the extent he usually does? Or the magic homburg? (but I found that funny). Yeah embarrassed William was so adorably awkward and endearing. I think Fallenbelle is on that... |
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