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Post by randomkiwibirds on Nov 28, 2014 21:38:52 GMT
Maybe my funding prediction will come true? It seems that Lillian Moss and Margaret Haile are more interested in having the Socialist Party fund a campaign then letting Julia run as an independent. They didn't seem to keen on that. Moss and Haile seemed to be really pushing for a socialist backing. I'm thinking that ultimatly at the end of the day, Julia's going to get annoyed with the Socialist agenda and butt heads with her funders, -(kind of like Brax did with his run for office) and empowered with the idea of a woman running for office, the socialist league is going to put Margaret Haile forward their candidate. As Margaret Haile is the choice of history, after all. And Emily dear-you have a fan... Oh very good point - they were talking about funding! I wonder if this is why they let us have the extra preview: to show us that we got a couple of predictions right again.  Who was it that made the suggestion that funding would be the reason to seek the backing of the socialist party? Also, noticed how the three women were clumped together plotting their course of action, while Julia was standing apart pointing out how she was a bit too "well-heeled" for the socialists. You could be right about Julia getting annoyed by feeling controlled by the agenda. Or they could simply inform her of what she already knows: she's too rich for "good optics" in the Socialist cause. Of course history says Margaret Haile will only get in the area of 70 votes.  I just did some reading on Socialism, and socialism was very much it's own identity up until Karl Marx wrote The Communist Manifesto in 1848. Marx seemed to wrap the ideas of socialism into Communism, basically combining the two terms even though they are both different things. If you really want to get technical, Julia-as she comes from a family with money-would be seen as the 1% or bourgeois, and Emily-and I'm going to suppose here Margaret Haile & Lillan Moss - would be the 99% or the proletariat. Good observation with Julia being separate from the others of the "Furious Four". Like you said that this could be because she feels that she was a bit to "well - heeled" to be funded by the Socialists, or in a more literal sense, the bourgeois is separated from the proletariat's. That's true. I'm seeing Julia going on to a rant to William about the "injustice" at not letting her run, because of her money-or just her in general. Remember Julia does have a rather substantial criminal record, and some of the things (like the birth-control) that she was arrested for were rather controversial. Either way I would pay good money to see that conversation/argument. Well not only was Margaret Haile a woman, but she was a socialist as well, and they were seen as rather radical, even though at this point Russia hasn't fallen. BTW-It was me who made the funding prediction. |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 28, 2014 21:56:06 GMT
I just did some reading on Socialism, and socialism was very much it's own identity up until Karl Marx wrote The Communist Manifesto in 1848. Marx seemed to wrap the ideas of socialism into Communism, basically combining the two terms even though they are both different things. If you really want to get technical, Julia-as she comes from a family with money-would be seen as the 1% or bourgeois, and Emily-and I'm going to suppose here Margaret Haile & Lillan Moss - would be the 99% or the proletariat. Good observation with Julia being separate from the others of the "Furious Four". Like you said that this could be because she feels that she was a bit to "well - heeled" to be funded by the Socialists, or in a more literal sense, the bourgeois is separated from the proletariat's. That's true. I'm seeing Julia going on to a rant to William about the "injustice" at not letting her run, because of her money-or just her in general. Remember Julia does have a rather substantial criminal record, and some of the things (like the birth-control) that she was arrested for were rather controversial. Either way I would pay good money to see that conversation/argument. Well not only was Margaret Haile a woman, but she was a socialist as well, and they were seen as rather radical, even though at this point Russia hasn't fallen. BTW-It was me who made the funding prediction. Socialism and communism are not the same and I can actually see Julia supporting socialism, small s, as she's interested in the plight of the poor, especially poor women. I suspect she won't want funding from the Socialists because they'd want her to support ideas that she doesn't approve of, not sure what at this point. Her criminal record only consists of the arrest for indecency, not even sure if she was convicted w/o looking it up, and an arrest for teaching contraception which she obviously wasn't tried for as she would have been convicted. As she probably wasn't convicted of either her record isn't that bad. Now her reputation, that may be different. Btw, it's only the US that sees socialism as being the same as communism. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 29, 2014 3:03:54 GMT
I just did some reading on Socialism, and socialism was very much it's own identity up until Karl Marx wrote The Communist Manifesto in 1848. Marx seemed to wrap the ideas of socialism into Communism, basically combining the two terms even though they are both different things. If you really want to get technical, Julia-as she comes from a family with money-would be seen as the 1% or bourgeois, and Emily-and I'm going to suppose here Margaret Haile & Lillan Moss - would be the 99% or the proletariat. Good observation with Julia being separate from the others of the "Furious Four". Like you said that this could be because she feels that she was a bit to "well - heeled" to be funded by the Socialists, or in a more literal sense, the bourgeois is separated from the proletariat's. That's true. I'm seeing Julia going on to a rant to William about the "injustice" at not letting her run, because of her money-or just her in general. Remember Julia does have a rather substantial criminal record, and some of the things (like the birth-control) that she was arrested for were rather controversial. Either way I would pay good money to see that conversation/argument. Well not only was Margaret Haile a woman, but she was a socialist as well, and they were seen as rather radical, even though at this point Russia hasn't fallen. BTW-It was me who made the funding prediction. Socialism and communism are not the same and I can actually see Julia supporting socialism, small s, as she's interested in the plight of the poor, especially poor women. I suspect she won't want funding from the Socialists because they'd want her to support ideas that she doesn't approve of, not sure what at this point. Her criminal record only consists of the arrest for indecency, not even sure if she was convicted w/o looking it up, and an arrest for teaching contraception which she obviously wasn't tried for as she would have been convicted. As she probably wasn't convicted of either her record isn't that bad. Now her reputation, that may be different. Btw, it's only the US that sees socialism as being the same as communism. I don't know that it's seen exactly the same as Communism, but closer to Communism on a continuum than whatever it is we practice, which is so freaking convoluted and includes more aspects of socialism than we care to admit. |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 29, 2014 4:09:20 GMT
I don't know that it's seen exactly the same as Communism, but closer to Communism on a continuum than whatever it is we practice, which is so freaking convoluted and includes more aspects of socialism than we care to admit. Seems to me that a great many people in the US conflate socialism with communism. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 29, 2014 5:03:12 GMT
I don't know that it's seen exactly the same as Communism, but closer to Communism on a continuum than whatever it is we practice, which is so freaking convoluted and includes more aspects of socialism than we care to admit. Seems to me that a great many people in the US conflate socialism with communism. I think if most Americans did equate it with Communism, Fox news wouldn't hesitate to use the C-word as opposed to the S-word. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 29, 2014 6:22:06 GMT
I just did some reading on Socialism, and socialism was very much it's own identity up until Karl Marx wrote The Communist Manifesto in 1848. Marx seemed to wrap the ideas of socialism into Communism, basically combining the two terms even though they are both different things. If you really want to get technical, Julia-as she comes from a family with money-would be seen as the 1% or bourgeois, and Emily-and I'm going to suppose here Margaret Haile & Lillan Moss - would be the 99% or the proletariat. Good observation with Julia being separate from the others of the "Furious Four". Like you said that this could be because she feels that she was a bit to "well - heeled" to be funded by the Socialists, or in a more literal sense, the bourgeois is separated from the proletariat's. That's true. I'm seeing Julia going on to a rant to William about the "injustice" at not letting her run, because of her money-or just her in general. Remember Julia does have a rather substantial criminal record, and some of the things (like the birth-control) that she was arrested for were rather controversial. Either way I would pay good money to see that conversation/argument. Well not only was Margaret Haile a woman, but she was a socialist as well, and they were seen as rather radical, even though at this point Russia hasn't fallen. BTW-It was me who made the funding prediction. First - congrats on the funding prediction! You win a speculation diva point!  Marx was actually a big critic of "Utopian Socialism" - Communism was supposed to address the flaws of "utopian" socialists by being "scientific". However if Julia is too bourgeois, it's still strange they would run Margaret Haile because she's not exactly a local. Until just recently she lived in Boston.  Well, we all live to see Julia rant over something, and as long as she's not ranting against William, it's all good! If Margaret Haile wasn't in Julia's age group, I would have suspected Julia would be called "too old", too. Now that would have been a rant!  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 29, 2014 6:28:24 GMT
Btw, it's only the US that sees socialism as being the same as communism. Only to half-educated people and the politicians that seek to manipulate them.  |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 29, 2014 16:27:38 GMT
If I'd realized when I made the first comment about the 'misunderstanding' of socialism in the US that I would set off a firestorm I wouldn't have mentioned it. I was merely commenting on the visuals as an outsider looking in. Can we now please get back to discussing Murdoch Mysteries and I promise I'll never mention it again.
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Post by snacky on Nov 29, 2014 19:00:02 GMT
If I'd realized when I made the first comment about the 'misunderstanding' of socialism in the US that I would set off a firestorm I wouldn't have mentioned it. I was merely commenting on the visuals as an outsider looking in. Can we now please get back to discussing Murdoch Mysteries and I promise I'll never mention it again. haha, yeah it is a bit like calling "fire" in a theater! |
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Post by snacky on Dec 2, 2014 2:01:36 GMT
Brian Laufman - you be stealing our line about what Emily wants for Christmas on Twitter! Spaiiiiii!  /fakeOutrage |
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Post by snacky on Dec 2, 2014 2:07:53 GMT
Seeing knowledgeable folk bring up Margaret Haile on Twitter as well. It looks like Julia does consider Independent and then calls it a day...? William thinks of them as a modern couple....hehe... *sad my schedule is screwed for this ep* |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Dec 2, 2014 2:11:03 GMT
Yes! It looks like they're actually going to explore team lilian moss! Well, it seems like she's interested in emily, the question is whether or not the feeling is reciprocated. Anyway, so now Julia has given up something for Murdoch as well as Darcy. Except in this case Murdoch didn't ask her to. Waiting for the blowout from that decision next ep. Perfect place to leave us for a month long hellatus. |
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Post by snacky on Dec 2, 2014 2:21:59 GMT
Yes! It looks like they're actually going to explore team lilian moss! Anyway, so now Julia has given up something for Murdoch as well as Darcy. I predicted both Team Lillian Moss and that Julia would be asked to give up her campaign for William's situation/career! *collects pool money from Henry to invest in Tardis* |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Dec 2, 2014 2:31:34 GMT
Yes! It looks like they're actually going to explore team lilian moss! Anyway, so now Julia has given up something for Murdoch as well as Darcy. I predicted both Team Lillian Moss and that Julia would be asked to give up her campaign for William's situation/career! *collects pool money from Henry to invest in Tardis* Did you also predict it would be Brax to ask her to desist? If so, here's a virtual dollar towards your fancy telephone box. |
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Post by snacky on Dec 2, 2014 2:39:48 GMT
I predicted both Team Lillian Moss and that Julia would be asked to give up her campaign for William's situation/career! Did you also predict it would be Brax to ask her to desist? If so, here's a virtual dollar towards your fancy telephone box. Nope, but I did predict Julia would do it without William asking - close enough? btw, has the outrage over sapphism in the Gemily Purist corners started yet? If there's going to be a hurlyburly, I want to pick up popcorn on the way home! |
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Who was it that made the suggestion that funding would be the reason to seek the backing of the socialist party?
