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Post by snacky on Dec 12, 2014 9:23:06 GMT
His voice annoyed me so much I wasn't focusing on him.  That stupid voice always turned me off. I wouldn't know if he was a good comedian, juggler or whatever as I never had the patience to listen and could never watch anything with him in. Haha, didn't someone (was it Henry or George?) tell him he should stop doing the voice? Ha!  |
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Post by Hodge on Dec 12, 2014 16:35:13 GMT
That stupid voice always turned me off. I wouldn't know if he was a good comedian, juggler or whatever as I never had the patience to listen and could never watch anything with him in. Haha, didn't someone (was it Henry or George?) tell him he should stop doing the voice? Ha! Yes, it was Henry. Shame he didn't listen!  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 13, 2014 5:03:10 GMT
Whilst I agree with you on the humour, Vaudeville was current to the times and ripe for a MM episode. I have seen this ep more than the twice I was going to watch, though not all the way through every time. There are some very good scenes in it and I especially like William, William/Julia and Brackenreid. Yannick, although not having much comedy in the ep, nails it when he does. I finally got to watch the whole thing all the way through, and I was starving for some MM.  The ep hung together well for me, which makes me wonder if sometimes we suffer from a bit of analysis overdo around here. At least with fresh eyes, it seemed fine. The mystery wasn't elaborate, but I didn't see the murderer coming either. And there was an extra twist on top of that, which one thing good MM episodes do well. That last scene was terrific! After all the attention paid to it, I expected it to be a lot longer. It was very natural, and I think the reason it was so delightful is over the course of the seasons we haven't seen William smile a lot, much less crack up. The fact that he's doing so with Julia makes it a precious shippy moment even if whoopee cushions are involved. And of course the focus he puts into reproducing the "gadget" --- but with the ends of playing a practical joke on Julia and being her one-man Vaudeville show. Why has no one mentioned William's promise he will always court Julia? It looked like she was taking that as a given. Gedna is much sweeter than Gemily. Edna calling him "George Crabtree" all the time is starting to get on my nerves, though. Love the visuals of how that is being handled. What's wrong with butter on sandwiches? Also loved the visuals on the murder scene at the start. We've gotten a few great shots of Emily kneeling over the body like that in a noir setting. Someone seems fond of that framing/picture! Is anyone else worried that "Indeed" is starting to become a lame catchphrase for William? In fact there was a point in the Wedding ep where it seemed like YB was sick of it, too, lol. I don't know why people who make TV shows even think characters need catchphrases. Seems kind of 80s. If there was protection on hand, I think George got past 3rd base. So sweet he has a "sweetheart"! I want to see some of this ongoing courting of William's...it's not like he did such a great job at that before the marriage...  My initial viewing of the ep was rather "meh", but a second and third viewing have grown on me. I like it fine. You mean "What have you, George?" isn't already a catchphrase? Too late, methinks! George absolutely got laid that night. She invited him over for "tea" and made it a point to mention that the kid was gone. Oh, yeah! I think season 3 William took Julia for granted, and thus, did a terrible job of courting Julia. After losing her to Darcy, he realized that wasn't going to cut it ("a stranger arousing her passions") and that he was going to have to step up his game-which he did in season 7. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 13, 2014 5:07:48 GMT
It was an "out of " William" experience at the end. We will not see this incarnation of the Detective very often, and probably only in Julia's presence. But he had just learned a very important thing about his wife: she understands the humour of the masses! Of course such a show would dismay an opera buff like Brackenreid, and a serious reader like William. Julia's amusement shows her usual broad mindedness. She understood the spirit of the performance immediately. I think it was a "private William" experience. One of the things MM can do to keep the fact William is married interesting is to distinguish that realm a lot from his working life. At work he's still the grim, morally earnest, hard-working detective. At home, he's opened up to his wife Julia within the safety of the private domestic sphere. We know Julia has a wacky sense of humor from her morgue days - she was eternally trying to convince William that lame jokes were funny. Now that they live together, William is also living with those lame jokes, and perhaps they've been making him laugh because these are Julia's lame jokes. I think what made William laugh in the last scene was not the whoopee cushion per say, but the effect it had on Julia. Laughter is contagious! Agreed-I don't know that William thought the whoopee cushion funny, but he loved her reaction to it. He likes doing things to catch her off balance, methinks! It was a very sweet moment, and a definite form of courting. |
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Post by snacky on Dec 13, 2014 6:26:36 GMT
You mean "What have you, George?" isn't already a catchphrase? Too late, methinks! George absolutely got laid that night. She invited him over for "tea" and made it a point to mention that the kid was gone. Oh, yeah! I think season 3 William took Julia for granted, and thus, did a terrible job of courting Julia. After losing her to Darcy, he realized that wasn't going to cut it ("a stranger arousing her passions") and that he was going to have to step up his game-which he did in season 7. "What have you, George" is on a mug! Kind of forced, too, if you ask me. Dear MM - the 1980s called, and it wants its TV show catchphrases back! William was certainly courting Julia in Season 7 - I just didn't realize he had made an overt vow to do so after marriage. I like it! |
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Post by snacky on Dec 13, 2014 6:37:06 GMT
Agreed-I don't know that William thought the whoopee cushion funny, but he loved her reaction to it. He likes doing things to catch her off balance, methinks! It was a very sweet moment, and a definite form of courting. I got the sense this was more some sort of revenge for William. He wasn't on a "pure and noble" quest to make her laugh. He wanted to hoist her on her own petard for laughing at low humor while not even laughing when he told the joke. If she likes stage whoopee cushions so much, then see how she likes it when she gets one! And plus he caught her absolutely by surprise and turned an elevated romantic moment upside down - a great comic set up. Even if it was great to see William laugh and obsess over setting up his practical joke, I still think whoopee cushions and fart jokes are crude and juvenile. I wish they would go away. So I vote against YB's #sorrynotsorry on that one. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 13, 2014 13:50:25 GMT
Agreed-I don't know that William thought the whoopee cushion funny, but he loved her reaction to it. He likes doing things to catch her off balance, methinks! It was a very sweet moment, and a definite form of courting. I got the sense this was more some sort of revenge for William. He wasn't on a "pure and noble" quest to make her laugh. He wanted to hoist her on her own petard for laughing at low humor while not even laughing when he told the joke. If she likes stage whoopee cushions so much, then see how she likes it when she gets one! And plus he caught her absolutely by surprise and turned an elevated romantic moment upside down - a great comic set up. Even if it was great to see William laugh and obsess over setting up his practical joke, I still think whoopee cushions and fart jokes are crude and juvenile. I wish they would go away. So I vote against YB's #sorrynotsorry on that one. I didn't get that impression at all. I don't think William despises his wife for having interests that differ than his. He's in love, he wants to court her, surprise her, and make her laugh-these are things you do when you're in love. And, Julia laughed -at the whoopee cushion and also how methodically William's gesture of spontaneity was planned. She laughed at his reaction too-she's also in love! This is the stupid stuff that couples do that tends to annoy others. I hate toilet humor as well, but since this was an episode about Vaudeville, and toilet humor was a part of it, I think it was appropriate. It was definitely an out of William moment, but we've been seeing more of those now that he's married-he's less reserved around Julia in the sanctity of their domestic haven. It was a sweet moment, and I don't think for a moment that William was exacting revenge on her. |
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Post by snacky on Dec 13, 2014 16:40:25 GMT
I didn't get that impression at all. I don't think William despises his wife for having interests that differ than his. He's in love, he wants to court her, surprise her, and make her laugh-these are things you do when you're in love. And, Julia laughed -at the whoopee cushion and also how methodically William's gesture of spontaneity was planned. She laughed at his reaction too-she's also in love! This is the stupid stuff that couples do that tends to annoy others. I hate toilet humor as well, but since this was an episode about Vaudeville, and toilet humor was a part of it, I think it was appropriate. It was definitely an out of William moment, but we've been seeing more of those now that he's married-he's less reserved around Julia in the sanctity of their domestic haven. It was a sweet moment, and I don't think for a moment that William was exacting revenge on her. I don't think you have to despise someone to question their taste or want (fun) revenge on them. I thought it was obvious that William was amazed that Julia loved vaudeville - and he did continue to not find them very funny, even when surrounded by a laughing audience. I'm definitely not questioning that they were engaging in the stupid stuff people do when they are in love, either. When William decided to punk Julia (omg that's a bad historical pun), he certainly thought she would find it as funny as he did. Regarding the humor: at leas there was some historical accuracy -as well as continuity! - that Edna hated vaudeville! Why can't we women ever wiiiiiiiiiin on this~ ITA about William being less reserved in the domestic haven, which kind of undermines the whole asperger's theory. He can't have asperger's at work and be fine at home. That sweet moment was totally normal and healthy! I do think it was a form of revenge, but it was "sweet revenge" (haha another bad pun). |
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Post by Hodge on Dec 13, 2014 17:27:17 GMT
I got the sense this was more some sort of revenge for William. He wasn't on a "pure and noble" quest to make her laugh. He wanted to hoist her on her own petard for laughing at low humor while not even laughing when he told the joke. If she likes stage whoopee cushions so much, then see how she likes it when she gets one! And plus he caught her absolutely by surprise and turned an elevated romantic moment upside down - a great comic set up. Even if it was great to see William laugh and obsess over setting up his practical joke, I still think whoopee cushions and fart jokes are crude and juvenile. I wish they would go away. So I vote against YB's #sorrynotsorry on that one. I didn't get that impression at all. I don't think William despises his wife for having interests that differ than his. He's in love, he wants to court her, surprise her, and make her laugh-these are things you do when you're in love. And, Julia laughed -at the whoopee cushion and also how methodically William's gesture of spontaneity was planned. She laughed at his reaction too-she's also in love! This is the stupid stuff that couples do that tends to annoy others. I hate toilet humor as well, but since this was an episode about Vaudeville, and toilet humor was a part of it, I think it was appropriate. It was definitely an out of William moment, but we've been seeing more of those now that he's married-he's less reserved around Julia in the sanctity of their domestic haven. It was a sweet moment, and I don't think for a moment that William was exacting revenge on her. I agree, I don't think he was exacting revenge. I got the impression he loves to see Julia laugh and he wanted to be the one to make her laugh. It was totally unexpected for him to do something like that and whilst I'm not into this type of humour myself I loved that he did it. I also loved that he was so serious when making it. What I loved more though was the way he said he promised to never stop courting her. |
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Post by snacky on Dec 13, 2014 19:43:06 GMT
I didn't get that impression at all. I don't think William despises his wife for having interests that differ than his. He's in love, he wants to court her, surprise her, and make her laugh-these are things you do when you're in love. And, Julia laughed -at the whoopee cushion and also how methodically William's gesture of spontaneity was planned. She laughed at his reaction too-she's also in love! This is the stupid stuff that couples do that tends to annoy others. I hate toilet humor as well, but since this was an episode about Vaudeville, and toilet humor was a part of it, I think it was appropriate. It was definitely an out of William moment, but we've been seeing more of those now that he's married-he's less reserved around Julia in the sanctity of their domestic haven. It was a sweet moment, and I don't think for a moment that William was exacting revenge on her. I agree, I don't think he was exacting revenge. I got the impression he loves to see Julia laugh and he wanted to be the one to make her laugh. It was totally unexpected for him to do something like that and whilst I'm not into this type of humour myself I loved that he did it. I also loved that he was so serious when making it. What I loved more though was the way he said he promised to never stop courting her. I loved the William's mention of his promise to never stop court Julia, too, because Julia wasn't surprised by that: which means it wasn't a new promise. William was reiterating something he had promised. And the theatrical way he brought on the flowers kind of reminded me of the "grand gestures" - this was William making a grand gesture! hehe, well done. I think I may be saying "revenge" in the wrong way or something. I mean revenge in the same sense as a pillow fight. Your significant other hits you with a pillow, and you hit them back (laughing) in revenge. It's not a cruel type of thing, but it's getting them back for hitting you with a pillow, and you're both laughing at the pillow fight. |
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Post by carco on Dec 13, 2014 22:06:55 GMT
What I loved more though was the way he said he promised to never stop courting her. I loved the William's mention of his promise to never stop court Julia, too, because Julia wasn't surprised by that: which means it wasn't a new promise. William was reiterating something he had promised. And the theatrical way he brought on the flowers kind of reminded me of the "grand gestures" - this was William making a grand gesture! hehe, well done. William pays attention to things going on around him, more than we give him credit for, I think. If you recall the final joke in the woman's monologue, she says a man will pay $3.00 a week to buy roses when he's courting a girl and then once he marries her, he won't pay 5c for dandelions. It didn't look like William was listening to her joke at the time, but he obviously decided he didn't want to be "that man" because then we see him presenting roses to Julia and promising that he will never stop courting her. A sweet gesture by William however he came to think of it.  |
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Post by snacky on Dec 14, 2014 6:03:30 GMT
William pays attention to things going on around him, more than we give him credit for, I think. If you recall the final joke in the woman's monologue, she says a man will pay $3.00 a week to buy roses when he's courting a girl and then once he marries her, he won't pay 5c for dandelions. It didn't look like William was listening to her joke at the time, but he obviously decided he didn't want to be "that man" because then we see him presenting roses to Julia and promising that he will never stop courting her. A sweet gesture by William however he came to think of it. That's true - William seems to be able to multitask with his attention, too. Remember how in the 2nd Waterfront ep he seemed focused on his case, but he was paying enough attention to Julia's case to show up to defend her from Leslie. Now he was on the look out for a murderer but he still registered that a man should spend $3/week on roses to court his girl! |
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Post by snacky on Dec 19, 2014 9:31:47 GMT
On rewatching Keystone Konstables - this time I got the vibe that William was jealous of both Ed Ward and the fact Julia found Vaudeville more entertaining than him. Since Ed Ward was a sort of "gadget man", William felt he could do better, and thus the rivalry began. This is also why William was ready to greet Ed with the punchy-glove-thing, too. Another thing I noticed is that this episode was dabbling with a new slightly new "more noir" style - perhaps to evoke the transition to the new era. The music sounded like an old detective movie - did anyone else catch that? A lot of the scenes were at night. Not just the Vaudeville scenes, but the murder as well. Something about it was "more noir" than previous MM scenes shot at night. I think part of it is the framing/poses of the actors. I've noticed a particular pose they've put Emily in that they've re-used around 3-4 times now (probably because it does look like a classic film). Is this the 10% darker we were promised? 10% more dark alleys? Also I noticed the transitional shot of the huge industrial railway yard instead of the old-fashioned street. It will be interesting to see if the remainder of the episodes are consistent with these slight style changes. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 19, 2014 12:25:47 GMT
On rewatching Keystone Konstables - this time I got the vibe that William was jealous of both Ed Ward and the fact Julia found Vaudeville more entertaining than him. Since Ed Ward was a sort of "gadget man", William felt he could do better, and thus the rivalry began. This is also why William was ready to greet Ed with the punchy-glove-thing, too. Another thing I noticed is that this episode was dabbling with a new slightly new "more noir" style - perhaps to evoke the transition to the new era. The music sounded like an old detective movie - did anyone else catch that? A lot of the scenes were at night. Not just the Vaudeville scenes, but the murder as well. Something about it was "more noir" than previous MM scenes shot at night. I think part of it is the framing/poses of the actors. I've noticed a particular pose they've put Emily in that they've re-used around 3-4 times now (probably because it does look like a classic film). Is this the 10% darker we were promised? 10% more dark alleys? Also I noticed the transitional shot of the huge industrial railway yard instead of the old-fashioned street. It will be interesting to see if the remainder of the episodes are consistent with these slight style changes. I rewatched this episode today as well, and noticed William's smirk/bi$ch face as he greeted Ed Ward with the giant boxing glove. I don't know if he was jealous or just didn't like him, but yeah, I think there was an underlying competition there because Julia found him funnier-and he wanted to make her laugh. It may have even been subconscious! I noticed the music had a noir theme as well as a touch of vaudeville. I particularly thought Carli did a great job with this one. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Dec 19, 2014 14:58:48 GMT
On rewatching Keystone Konstables - this time I got the vibe that William was jealous of both Ed Ward and the fact Julia found Vaudeville more entertaining than him. Since Ed Ward was a sort of "gadget man", William felt he could do better, and thus the rivalry began. This is also why William was ready to greet Ed with the punchy-glove-thing, too. Another thing I noticed is that this episode was dabbling with a new slightly new "more noir" style - perhaps to evoke the transition to the new era. The music sounded like an old detective movie - did anyone else catch that? A lot of the scenes were at night. Not just the Vaudeville scenes, but the murder as well. Something about it was "more noir" than previous MM scenes shot at night. I think part of it is the framing/poses of the actors. I've noticed a particular pose they've put Emily in that they've re-used around 3-4 times now (probably because it does look like a classic film). Is this the 10% darker we were promised? 10% more dark alleys? Also I noticed the transitional shot of the huge industrial railway yard instead of the old-fashioned street. It will be interesting to see if the remainder of the episodes are consistent with these slight style changes. Yeah I did notice the music was different, especially at the crime scene. It made me feel tingly all over and like great things were about to happen. Lol wouldn't be surprised if that's what they meant by 10% darker. Judging by the bloopers, it doesn't look like the second half has many serious/dark episodes to it...but then again, those are the bloopers. I particularly want to know why George was all disheveled that time Murdoch came to his room. Did some crazy lady try to get a piece of the Crabapple pie? |
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