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Post by snacky on Dec 19, 2014 23:37:26 GMT
Re: Crabapple Pie - Edna looks like she can take him down easily, and George needed to take the edge off after a night of sharing body heat with William...  |
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Post by shangas on Dec 20, 2014 0:34:51 GMT
After a LONG struggle I finally got my hands on this episode.
Not bad. I was pleasantly surprised that the comedy was actually laughable. The ending was great. I think that's the first time I've ever seen Murdoch laugh about anything. He's always so deadpan.
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Post by snacky on Dec 20, 2014 6:06:27 GMT
After a LONG struggle I finally got my hands on this episode. Not bad. I was pleasantly surprised that the comedy was actually laughable. The ending was great. I think that's the first time I've ever seen Murdoch laugh about anything. He's always so deadpan. It's definitely the first time we've seen William laugh that hard. There is a reference guide to all the times William has even smiled (not updated for Season 8 yet) in the William Murdoch section if you want a quick reference. I think it's nice differentiator between William as "bureaucratic man" in the public sphere vs. how he can indulge his feelings (laugh, cry, etc.) in the private domestic sphere. But I was saying in a comment that this totally subverts the old aspergers thesis, because even if William had been "working on it" all these years, I'm not sure laughing like that would be within the range of his personal expressions. Maybe Victorian manners and bureaucratic modes really did repress him thaaaaaaaaaaaaat much!  *watches The Knockdown again skeptically* |
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Post by snacky on Jan 8, 2015 6:11:44 GMT
Just caught an episode of Sex and the City - and Mr. Big plays the Whoopee Cushion joke on Carrie. Not even original as "relationship cement" guys.  |
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Post by ziggy on Jan 19, 2015 2:34:44 GMT
William pays attention to things going on around him, more than we give him credit for, I think. If you recall the final joke in the woman's monologue, she says a man will pay $3.00 a week to buy roses when he's courting a girl and then once he marries her, he won't pay 5c for dandelions. It didn't look like William was listening to her joke at the time, but he obviously decided he didn't want to be "that man" because then we see him presenting roses to Julia and promising that he will never stop courting her. A sweet gesture by William however he came to think of it.  I was beginning to think I was the only one who made this connection. William is usually sentimental like that. He is the type that will bring flowers home to his sweetheart (a softie, he is). I can’t help but wonder though that his acting seems a bit exaggerated this season. He seems to be going out of his way to show he is happy especially around Julia. We all know he is happy and he should be. At first I thought it was just marital bliss and the effect of an extended honeymoon but since High Voltage an element of worry for him has crept up on me. I am hoping that this is just me over analyzing things and seeing what is not there. |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 19, 2015 3:45:36 GMT
William pays attention to things going on around him, more than we give him credit for, I think. If you recall the final joke in the woman's monologue, she says a man will pay $3.00 a week to buy roses when he's courting a girl and then once he marries her, he won't pay 5c for dandelions. It didn't look like William was listening to her joke at the time, but he obviously decided he didn't want to be "that man" because then we see him presenting roses to Julia and promising that he will never stop courting her. A sweet gesture by William however he came to think of it. I was beginning to think I was the only one who made this connection. William is usually sentimental like that. He is the type that will bring flowers home to his sweetheart (a softie, he is). I can’t help but wonder though that his acting seems a bit exaggerated this season. He seems to be going out of his way to show he is happy especially around Julia. We all know he is happy and he should be. At first I thought it was just marital bliss and the effect of an extended honeymoon but since High Voltage an element of worry for him has crept up on me. I am hoping that this is just me over analyzing things and seeing what is not there. I too thought William got the idea from the monologue, however he got the idea I loved the way he told Julia he'd never stop courting her. I have to admit though to not being too keen on the 'William at home' depiction in general, it's definitely exaggerated. The problem is there really hasn't been too much other W&J since the honeymoon to assess if this is the way we're going to see him with her from now on. I hope it's just the continuing honeymoon period and we're going to get back to our usual William, he was always so sweet with Julia I don't know why it had to be changed just to show married bliss, it doesn't really work for me. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 19, 2015 4:01:50 GMT
ITA! It doesn't work for me either, and this really hit home when William was laughing ag the whoopee cushion joke. While the "domestic sphere" idea was important to the historical period, William's capacity as a detective has a lot to do with the character and personality developed over the last 7 seasons. While it's important to occasionally break that norm for dramatic purposes or to avoid self-parody, the "domestic sphere"argument suggests William's personality has been different all along - we just didn't see it at the boarding house? I don't buy that- it would make William alien to me.
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Post by ziggy on Jan 19, 2015 4:46:29 GMT
I was beginning to think I was the only one who made this connection. William is usually sentimental like that. He is the type that will bring flowers home to his sweetheart (a softie, he is). I can’t help but wonder though that his acting seems a bit exaggerated this season. He seems to be going out of his way to show he is happy especially around Julia. We all know he is happy and he should be. At first I thought it was just marital bliss and the effect of an extended honeymoon but since High Voltage an element of worry for him has crept up on me. I am hoping that this is just me over analyzing things and seeing what is not there. I too thought William got the idea from the monologue, however he got the idea I loved the way he told Julia he'd never stop courting her. I have to admit though to not being too keen on the 'William at home' depiction in general, it's definitely exaggerated. The problem is there really hasn't been too much other W&J since the honeymoon to assess if this is the way we're going to see him with her from now on. I hope it's just the continuing honeymoon period and we're going to get back to our usual William, he was always so sweet with Julia I don't know why it had to be changed just to show married bliss, it doesn't really work for me. This tea and toast W/J doesn’t work for me either. I hope they get back to “normal” soon. It is only a matter of time before Julia starts feeling irritated and frustrated by it all. She loves the fuss and adulation but there is so much one can take, even on a good day. She is human afterall. |
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Post by carco on Jan 19, 2015 22:21:15 GMT
William pays attention to things going on around him, more than we give him credit for, I think. If you recall the final joke in the woman's monologue, she says a man will pay $3.00 a week to buy roses when he's courting a girl and then once he marries her, he won't pay 5c for dandelions. It didn't look like William was listening to her joke at the time, but he obviously decided he didn't want to be "that man" because then we see him presenting roses to Julia and promising that he will never stop courting her. A sweet gesture by William however he came to think of it. I was beginning to think I was the only one who made this connection. William is usually sentimental like that. He is the type that will bring flowers home to his sweetheart (a softie, he is). I can’t help but wonder though that his acting seems a bit exaggerated this season. He seems to be going out of his way to show he is happy especially around Julia. We all know he is happy and he should be. At first I thought it was just marital bliss and the effect of an extended honeymoon but since High Voltage an element of worry for him has crept up on me. I am hoping that this is just me over analyzing things and seeing what is not there. I know what you're saying although I do think his presentation of flowers to her in that scene was meant to be a bit over the top since he was going to pull a joke on her and William doesn't have a lot of experience with "jokes"  for the few, sparse scenes they've had together since the wedding, several seem to be trying to keep it light --- whatever it is, it is coming off as a bit un-natural but I expect they'll find their footing. Some were ok, when they were discussing the effects on William, of Julia's running for office is one reasonably natural scene that comes to mind. Possibly TPTB were a bit nervous as to how to proceed with "the Murdochs" since so many people fear marriages are the beginning of the end on TV. I think they have been the end for several shows but I'm not sure they have to be. Castle is doing ok so far....just saying. |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 19, 2015 22:30:25 GMT
I was beginning to think I was the only one who made this connection. William is usually sentimental like that. He is the type that will bring flowers home to his sweetheart (a softie, he is). I can’t help but wonder though that his acting seems a bit exaggerated this season. He seems to be going out of his way to show he is happy especially around Julia. We all know he is happy and he should be. At first I thought it was just marital bliss and the effect of an extended honeymoon but since High Voltage an element of worry for him has crept up on me. I am hoping that this is just me over analyzing things and seeing what is not there. I know what you're saying although I do think his presentation of flowers to her in that scene was meant to be a bit over the top since he was going to pull a joke on her and William doesn't have a lot of experience with "jokes" for the few, sparse scenes they've had together since the wedding, several seem to be trying to keep it light --- whatever it is, it is coming off as a bit un-natural but I expect they'll find their footing. Some were ok, when they were discussing the effects on William, of Julia's running for office is one reasonably natural scene that comes to mind. Possibly TPTB were a bit nervous as to how to proceed with "the Murdochs" since so many people fear marriages are the beginning of the end on TV. I think they have been the end for several shows but I'm not sure they have to be. Castle is doing ok so far....just saying. Despite the fact that I was quite happy with them not being married the marriage is not a deal breaker for me however only showing Julia as Mrs. Murdoch and not as Dr. Ogden working alongside William is getting a bit much. I won't be leaving any time soon though! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 19, 2015 22:42:53 GMT
I know what you're saying although I do think his presentation of flowers to her in that scene was meant to be a bit over the top since he was going to pull a joke on her and William doesn't have a lot of experience with "jokes" for the few, sparse scenes they've had together since the wedding, several seem to be trying to keep it light --- whatever it is, it is coming off as a bit un-natural but I expect they'll find their footing. Some were ok, when they were discussing the effects on William, of Julia's running for office is one reasonably natural scene that comes to mind. Possibly TPTB were a bit nervous as to how to proceed with "the Murdochs" since so many people fear marriages are the beginning of the end on TV. I think they have been the end for several shows but I'm not sure they have to be. Castle is doing ok so far....just saying. Despite the fact that I was quite happy with them not being married the marriage is not a deal breaker for me however only showing Julia as Mrs. Murdoch and not as Dr. Ogden working alongside William is getting a bit much. I won't be leaving any time soon though! I guess I'm in the minority in that I didn't mind tea and toast William (showing the Murdoch's at breakfast) as it wasn't any different that showing him demonstrating or working on an invention before getting called to a murder scene. I do want to see Julia in other types of scenes, but I wasn't upset by it. I also didn't mind the whoopee cushion/flowers scene as I agree with Carco-he's not used to joking around and is trying something new. In my experience, men enjoy playing jokes on ladies they like, and in the end, William is no different. I dont mind these scenes-they're showing domestic William when we're not used to that. My only complaint with them is when they're the only scenes with Julia. |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 19, 2015 23:21:07 GMT
Despite the fact that I was quite happy with them not being married the marriage is not a deal breaker for me however only showing Julia as Mrs. Murdoch and not as Dr. Ogden working alongside William is getting a bit much. I won't be leaving any time soon though! I guess I'm in the minority in that I didn't mind tea and toast William (showing the Murdoch's at breakfast) as it wasn't any different that showing him demonstrating or working on an invention before getting called to a murder scene. I do want to see Julia in other types of scenes, but I wasn't upset by it. I also didn't mind the whoopee cushion/flowers scene as I agree with Carco-he's not used to joking around and is trying something new. In my experience, men enjoy playing jokes on ladies they like, and in the end, William is no different. I dont mind these scenes-they're showing domestic William when we're not used to that. My only complaint with them is when they're the only scenes with Julia. Oh I don't mind the domestic bliss scenes, it's the way Yannick is playing William that I object to, it's kind of silly. I did like the flowers/whoopee cushion scene though. Actually I really liked the way he was so serious whilst making the whoopee cushion. Typical William even jokes are serious! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 19, 2015 23:30:57 GMT
I guess I'm in the minority in that I didn't mind tea and toast William (showing the Murdoch's at breakfast) as it wasn't any different that showing him demonstrating or working on an invention before getting called to a murder scene. I do want to see Julia in other types of scenes, but I wasn't upset by it. I also didn't mind the whoopee cushion/flowers scene as I agree with Carco-he's not used to joking around and is trying something new. In my experience, men enjoy playing jokes on ladies they like, and in the end, William is no different. I dont mind these scenes-they're showing domestic William when we're not used to that. My only complaint with them is when they're the only scenes with Julia. Oh I don't mind the domestic bliss scenes, it's the way Yannick is playing William that I object to, it's kind of silly. I did like the flowers/whoopee cushion scene though. Actually I really liked the way he was so serious whilst making the whoopee cushion. Typical William even jokes are serious! I liked the scene too! I liked how methodical, serious, and industrious he was about making and testing the cushion out, and how giddy he was when it worked. He's gotten excited about other inventions/discoveries before, so it wasn't too much of a stretch that he reacted the way he did. And I say this as someone who doesn't like toilet humor, but I have to admit, most men I know think that crap's funny ( pun intended). What else would we have all the amusement over "Dick Poop" this week? |
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Post by snacky on Jan 20, 2015 1:56:49 GMT
I was beginning to think I was the only one who made this connection. William is usually sentimental like that. He is the type that will bring flowers home to his sweetheart (a softie, he is). I can’t help but wonder though that his acting seems a bit exaggerated this season. He seems to be going out of his way to show he is happy especially around Julia. We all know he is happy and he should be. At first I thought it was just marital bliss and the effect of an extended honeymoon but since High Voltage an element of worry for him has crept up on me. I am hoping that this is just me over analyzing things and seeing what is not there. I know what you're saying although I do think his presentation of flowers to her in that scene was meant to be a bit over the top since he was going to pull a joke on her and William doesn't have a lot of experience with "jokes" for the few, sparse scenes they've had together since the wedding, several seem to be trying to keep it light --- whatever it is, it is coming off as a bit un-natural but I expect they'll find their footing. Some were ok, when they were discussing the effects on William, of Julia's running for office is one reasonably natural scene that comes to mind. Possibly TPTB were a bit nervous as to how to proceed with "the Murdochs" since so many people fear marriages are the beginning of the end on TV. I think they have been the end for several shows but I'm not sure they have to be. Castle is doing ok so far....just saying. I think the exaggeration can be seen more in William protesting too much about their "modern marriage" and then Julia disappearing. I think this was supposed to be an actual (tense) storyline, but it got thrown off by Helene's bicycle injury. Anyway, as I said elsewhere, I think the writers had a plan for dealing with the marriage that was thrown for a loop. We'll see how it pans out now.  |
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Post by snacky on Jan 20, 2015 2:02:58 GMT
Despite the fact that I was quite happy with them not being married the marriage is not a deal breaker for me however only showing Julia as Mrs. Murdoch and not as Dr. Ogden working alongside William is getting a bit much. I won't be leaving any time soon though! I guess I'm in the minority in that I didn't mind tea and toast William (showing the Murdoch's at breakfast) as it wasn't any different that showing him demonstrating or working on an invention before getting called to a murder scene. I do want to see Julia in other types of scenes, but I wasn't upset by it. I also didn't mind the whoopee cushion/flowers scene as I agree with Carco-he's not used to joking around and is trying something new. In my experience, men enjoy playing jokes on ladies they like, and in the end, William is no different. I dont mind these scenes-they're showing domestic William when we're not used to that. My only complaint with them is when they're the only scenes with Julia. Both Julia and William drank tea before marriage, so it seems like a perfectly normal bonding ritual for them to do after marriage. It's just William getting the giggles that seems out of character for me. |
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for the few, sparse scenes they've had together since the wedding, several seem to be trying to keep it light --- whatever it is, it is coming off as a bit un-natural but I expect they'll find their footing. Some were ok, when they were discussing the effects on William, of Julia's running for office is one reasonably natural scene that comes to mind. Possibly TPTB were a bit nervous as to how to proceed with "the Murdochs" since so many people fear marriages are the beginning of the end on TV. I think they have been the end for several shows but I'm not sure they have to be.
