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Post by snacky on Oct 9, 2014 18:54:24 GMT
The results are impressive, and yes it is neat to have a conversation starter. I wonder if the lightbulb, from the opening credits, is considered copyrighted? We have Photoshop on our main computer, but neither of us has ever tried something like this. Hubby is a photographer who messes with his pictures all the time. I have never used the program at all. In any case, as with the posting of the tour pictures, when I get up a head of steam, I find a way of doing things! (Sometimes with a little help) I think you get around copyright issues if you significantly transform an image. But in this case you don't want to transform it. You want to reproduce the image to evoke Murdoch Mysteries. What I would do is play around to get what you want first. Then if you are using images lifted from the TV show, I'd write Shaftesbury and ask for their permission. I'm pretty sure they'd allow it since you're t-shirt is free advertising! I wouldn't use any of the actor's faces. That would probably get into big licensing issues. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 9, 2014 20:43:06 GMT
I hope so. None of the officers arresting the women looked familiar. I would prefer if they were from the same station they creamed in baseball in Stroll on the Wild Side pt. 2. Or the station where one cop murdered another in The Great Wall. Besides if station 4 was supposed to be located where Wilton St. currently is, then Queens Park would probably not be in their jurisdiction. I think it was Station House 5 getting their revenge.  Not sure where SH5 was located but SH4 was in Ward 2 so I don't think they should have been covering Queens Park as that was two wards over, however the constables definitely had 4 on their collars. Here's a link to a 1902 map of Toronto: tinyurl.com/l4yz6y7. SH4 was on Wilton Ave. which became Dundas St. The current Wilton St. didn't exist in Murdoch's time, it was underwater. I was wondering about the docks but looking at the map, if they only covered Ward 2, the east end of the docks would be in their jurisdiction. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 9, 2014 20:48:11 GMT
I've re-watched this scene several times now and I've come to the conclusion that William's reply was just too flippant. There has to be something more behind this. I am more concerned with Julia's laughing look at the end. What is she thinking? I was wondering that too but figured she was amused at William's usual sense of prudence. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 10, 2014 7:06:25 GMT
I just watched On the Waterfront P1 again, and this time I paid more attention to Julia during the "expensive neighborhood" scene. She does issue a derisive laugh - almost a snort!
At first I thought that this was a sign of miscommunication - Julia must not understand William's anxieties about money.
However, in the context of the rest of the episode, I began to see Julia engaging in a larger of strategy of making fun of or dismissing William for old-fashioned or cautious thinking. She's basically training him via little rewards and punishments not to be a "stick in the mud".
In this context, Julia would view Williams wish to be a provider as part of his old-fashioned thinking, so she will try to address it by laughing at the very thought.
It remains to be seen whether this approach will backfire. Laughter is a very dangerous weapon. "Laughing with" easily segues into "laughing at". And male egos are very fragile.
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Post by mrsbrisby on Oct 10, 2014 7:20:11 GMT
I think that people are just worried that, because there's no set date, we won't get to see the long-awaited wedding any time soon. I agree that it's not a huge issue, and I'm not concerned; I'm certain the wedding will happen this season. I'm more concerned about the adoption, though. I feel like the healthy place to end this series would be this season or the next, but I want to see the process of them adopting a child. I might have mentioned this in my precious post. I don't remember. XD For my part, I'm very pleased with this delay strategy, because I don't want to see the show end any time soon, and I'm worried that the wedding will hasten that end. I wish people would stop rushing it. There is no threat happening to William and Julia's love! We will get to the wedding eventually! Let's just be patient and enjoy how we get there, because once we do get there, that part of the show will be over, and it will never come again. I would like to see Julia attempt to pursue her infertility medically before trying to adopt. Since the show is partly about a new era of science, that would be a great place to take Julia's character. It would give her something to do and involve a lot of drama. The things she tries may not work, and they may end up adopting eventually, though. I am afraid that any adoption scene might turn sappy: I will just have to have faith in the writers and pray none of them were Little House on the Prairie fans. Many a TV show has jumped the shark from adopting a "spunky kid". I see an oncoming War of the Angels between Old Shippers who want to Have a Wedding Now and End the Show on Their High Note and New Shippers who would rather the show continue since they have only just been recently introduced to it, and are willing to have patience about the wedding if that helps the show continue, and they may even be able to conceive of other possible "arcs" to round off the show, even ones not necessarily defined by the romance. Oh dear, oh dear. One of the hallmarks of MM IMO is that there are a variety of arcs that weave in and out of a season and sometimes pop up later. The romance is only one part of the show, and I admit that I am in the get them married camp because I do not think it will effect the show that much. As far as the show goes they can go along with essentially the same format for years with some episodes more focused on William and Julia and others focused more on criminal investigation or some of Julia's interesting cases. If the writers are stupid enough to bring children in too soon, that would be the beginning of the end, especially if is was one of those obnoxious kids TV and movies seem to think is cute. Blech. The other trap the writers have to avoid it turning MM into "At Home with William and Julia." As long as they avoid those pitfalls and keep the essential mix of episodes I think MM could go on for several more years. |
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Post by mrsbrisby on Oct 10, 2014 7:29:53 GMT
Slorach will have been the inspector at SH4 since Brackenreid was attacked, so probably about 4-6 months. They couldn't have been without for that long. The writers needed Slorak both to establish a time reference and to create a compelling set of reasons for Brackenreid to come back. His presence also kept us in suspense about Brax's condition for the first little while. I got wondering if William's Catholocism is really the only reason he was passed over. Yes, he's the mayor's hero and the best detective in the realm but he created a pretty big career ceiling for himself when he gave Ava Moon the means and opportunity to escape. If CI Giles promoted William it would send a very mixed message to the rank and file, not to mention also having to overcome his own sense of outrage over the whole incident. I remember an episode in which Murdoch applies for the Inspector position at another station and interviews with the Chief, the one before Giles, and when he finds out Murdoch is a Catholic he tell Brax in no uncertain terms that a Papist will never rise to the rank of Inspector in the Toronto Constabulary. And yes, that was strong enough reason to keep him from advancing back then. Toronto was heavily Protestant at the turn of the 20th century. Anyway, Brackenreid tells Murdoch that being Inspector is mostly political in nature and William would not like that. Murdoch would hate all the political crap. He loves solving mysteries and that's what he does best and he knows himself well enough to appreciate how important it is to do what you love. |
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Post by mrsbrisby on Oct 10, 2014 7:35:42 GMT
Yes, I'm definitely into the tie theory, it keeps everything from leaking out. The hat is important too but not where Julia's concerned. It's almost like so long as he's slightly uncomfortable and completely buttoned up, he's respectable and proper. But when the tie come off....  Yes indeed. My psychologist friends tell me that a man's tie is a phallic symbol so when I take that into consideration all of that by-play (I am so proud I didn't go there) takes on a new and more compelling significance. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 10, 2014 7:52:42 GMT
I am more concerned with Julia's laughing look at the end. What is she thinking? I was wondering that too but figured she was amused at William's usual sense of prudence. I guess we'll soon find out, but I thought it was her laughing that he failed to respond to her hint to set a date (our bright boy isn't so bright at reading romantic/sexual subtleties). She knows something's bothering him, but he won't discuss it. My money's on her confronting him about the lack of a date/time frame next episode-they brought up the lack of a date too many times for it not be an issue, IMHO. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 10, 2014 7:56:17 GMT
I just watched On the Waterfront P1 again, and this time I paid more attention to Julia during the "expensive neighborhood" scene. She does issue a derisive laugh - almost a snort! At first I thought that this was a sign of miscommunication - Julia must not understand William's anxieties about money. However, in the context of the rest of the episode, I began to see Julia engaging in a larger of strategy of making fun of or dismissing William for old-fashioned or cautious thinking. She's basically training him via little rewards and punishments not to be a "stick in the mud". In this context, Julia would view Williams wish to be a provider as part of his old-fashioned thinking, so she will try to address it by laughing at the very thought. It remains to be seen whether this approach will backfire. Laughter is a very dangerous weapon. "Laughing with" easily segues into "laughing at". And male egos are very fragile. But people laugh out of frustration too (that bitter laugh/snort that Julia does-I know I do). I think she's dropping hints about setting a date and he's not picking up on them. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 10, 2014 7:59:08 GMT
The writers needed Slorak both to establish a time reference and to create a compelling set of reasons for Brackenreid to come back. His presence also kept us in suspense about Brax's condition for the first little while. I got wondering if William's Catholocism is really the only reason he was passed over. Yes, he's the mayor's hero and the best detective in the realm but he created a pretty big career ceiling for himself when he gave Ava Moon the means and opportunity to escape. If CI Giles promoted William it would send a very mixed message to the rank and file, not to mention also having to overcome his own sense of outrage over the whole incident. I remember an episode in which Murdoch applies for the Inspector position at another station and interviews with the Chief, the one before Giles, and when he finds out Murdoch is a Catholic he tell Brax in no uncertain terms that a Papist will never rise to the rank of Inspector in the Toronto Constabulary. And yes, that was strong enough reason to keep him from advancing back then. Toronto was heavily Protestant at the turn of the 20th century. Anyway, Brackenreid tells Murdoch that being Inspector is mostly political in nature and William would not like that. Murdoch would hate all the political crap. He loves solving mysteries and that's what he does best and he knows himself well enough to appreciate how important it is to do what you love. See, I always read that as Brax' subtle way of telling William that he didn't get the job or to at least discourage him for holding out hope. William (oblivious to romantic subtext) picked up on it and agreed as a way of telling Brax that he understood. That doesn't mean that he's given up on advancement entirely, just for that time. |
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Post by mrsbrisby on Oct 10, 2014 8:07:16 GMT
I found it funny when they put William in a top hat because in the past MM has always used top hats to indicate ridiculousness or the "toff" class. I'm not sure, but I thought one of the guys carrying the corpse in On the Waterfront had a top hat, which was worth a giggle. But William didn't look bad in it, and I thought that was supposed to represent his rising prospects... (which were then dashed by the promotion of Slorach). Anyway William has to find other alternatives now. If he can't get around the prejudice in the police force, he can find other ways to build his reputation and make a career: write articles, write books, lecture, etc. I'm sure Julia will have ideas about that. I took the top hat, tux, fancy dates to be an indicator of him working much harder to woo Julia an "arouse he passions". Again, he's not a Rockefeller, but he's not destitute either. He is looking to move up, and the Inspector's already admonished him for not owning formal wear-dress for the position you want-not the one you have! He probably also dipped into his considerable savings which were augmented with Yukon Gold money. I don't like the idea of him secretly inheriting a house or large sum of cash because it's too neat and unrealistic. Keep it real, MM!  I have a completely different take on Willliam, his clothes, and Julia's money. In the first episode that William wore a top hat he seemed as comfortable as William could be at the time in his evening suit, white tie and tails. He seemed quite at ease attending the theater and concerts which he probably did before Julia arrived on the scene, so I don't think he adopted that wardrobe in order to woo Julia. The quality of his suits has gotten better and better over the years and in Season 7 he wore at least two absolutely gorgeous suits. The fabric was exquisite and the tailoring was superb. IMO he appreciates nice clothes and doesn't mind paying for quality. I think William got the evening suit, top hat and all, because he enjoyed going to formal affairs. As far as Julia's money goes, as Talbotrail said, he knew Julia's situation when he started courting her and I do not think he is the kind of man to worry too much about being a kept man as long as he continues to work and do his experiments. Since I don't know what the property laws were/are in Canada at the time so I can only speculate that they were similar to those of England and the US which would mean that her fortune would most likely become his when they marry unless legal arrangements to the contrary are made. I don't mean to imply that William is marrying her for her money, I am just saying that was what happened back then. Julia is not ostentatious about spending her money, not like Ruby is for example, and that makes William comfortable. As far as how he will feel about the creature comforts Julia's money can afford, William has had two glimpses into the future where Julia is his wife and they have a son. The first one was when he imagined them on an archaeological dig looking for dinosaurs in western Canada and the other was when he saw his son and Julia when the went to the future. In the first case, an expedition such as William imagined would not have come cheaply and he knew that then. In the second instance it looked like they were pretty well off there, too. IMO William is far too enlightened to be bothered by his ability to provide for Julia and he is fine with that. Now that I have made this bold statement, I have to talk about the house comment. Hmm. I think he said that just to put her off temporarily and he does have something in mind. Oh, and I don't think he is dragging his feet about getting married. The writers put their wedding on hold because of the death of Julia's father and Brackenreid's injuries and recuperation, anyway those are the devices they used to explain the fact that a marriage is not scheduled at the moment. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 10, 2014 8:07:18 GMT
For my part, I'm very pleased with this delay strategy, because I don't want to see the show end any time soon, and I'm worried that the wedding will hasten that end. I wish people would stop rushing it. There is no threat happening to William and Julia's love! We will get to the wedding eventually! Let's just be patient and enjoy how we get there, because once we do get there, that part of the show will be over, and it will never come again. I would like to see Julia attempt to pursue her infertility medically before trying to adopt. Since the show is partly about a new era of science, that would be a great place to take Julia's character. It would give her something to do and involve a lot of drama. The things she tries may not work, and they may end up adopting eventually, though. I am afraid that any adoption scene might turn sappy: I will just have to have faith in the writers and pray none of them were Little House on the Prairie fans. Many a TV show has jumped the shark from adopting a "spunky kid". I see an oncoming War of the Angels between Old Shippers who want to Have a Wedding Now and End the Show on Their High Note and New Shippers who would rather the show continue since they have only just been recently introduced to it, and are willing to have patience about the wedding if that helps the show continue, and they may even be able to conceive of other possible "arcs" to round off the show, even ones not necessarily defined by the romance. Oh dear, oh dear. One of the hallmarks of MM IMO is that there are a variety of arcs that weave in and out of a season and sometimes pop up later. The romance is only one part of the show, and I admit that I am in the get them married camp because I do not think it will effect the show that much. As far as the show goes they can go along with essentially the same format for years with some episodes more focused on William and Julia and others focused more on criminal investigation or some of Julia's interesting cases. If the writers are stupid enough to bring children in too soon, that would be the beginning of the end, especially if is was one of those obnoxious kids TV and movies seem to think is cute. Blech. The other trap the writers have to avoid it turning MM into "At Home with William and Julia." As long as they avoid those pitfalls and keep the essential mix of episodes I think MM could go on for several more years. I would agree-I think getting them married now doesn't have to kill the show if the writers are smart about it. However, if they keep dragging it out, I think the ship will overtake the show and become central-it's a storyline that needs closure. This is a mystery show, note the Steampunk version of The Notebook or some other Nicholas Sparks novel. But yes, no Cousin Oliver please! www.huffingtonpost.com/hulucom/tvs-inexplicably-added-ch_b_3792766.html However, I don't think the writers are that stupid. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 10, 2014 8:13:17 GMT
It's almost like so long as he's slightly uncomfortable and completely buttoned up, he's respectable and proper. But when the tie come off.... Yes indeed. My psychologist friends tell me that a man's tie is a phallic symbol so when I take that into consideration all of that by-play (I am so proud I didn't go there) takes on a new and more compelling significance. I wasn't going to go there, but since you did  yes, I think the tie has taken those kind of proportions. And something that just occurred to me was that she's studied with Freud, so she knows exactly what she's doing.  Oh my! How scandalous, Julia! |
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Post by mrsbrisby on Oct 10, 2014 8:21:56 GMT
I am kind of surprised that there has been so little discussion about YB's direction of this episode. I think he did a fantastic job. The gore at the beginning was certainly a surprise, but I've been watching the The Bridge so ... The way he shot some of the scenes made them really stand out. The shot through the barber's window as the four women walked around the corner coming back from their first trip to Queen's Park was lovely and the last scene in the morgue where Emily was sitting at her desk and William stood behind her was exquisite the way the light shone through the high windows onto the white tiled walls and then the camera moved in on the two of them was terrific, especially the lighting.
But the best was the way he inter-cut the fight at the wharf and the fight at Queen's Park. That was genius and something you don't see often enough in television.
I give him a pass on the CG stuff because most of it maintained the look and atmosphere they have established for the series. If it were a big budget moving the entire background would have been CG and the all of the action would have been filmed in front of a green screen.
Oh, and the scene in his office when she called him a stick in the mud and Slorach comes in behind them--just lovely.
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Post by snacky on Oct 10, 2014 10:20:20 GMT
Oh dear, oh dear. One of the hallmarks of MM IMO is that there are a variety of arcs that weave in and out of a season and sometimes pop up later. The romance is only one part of the show, and I admit that I am in the get them married camp because I do not think it will effect the show that much. As far as the show goes they can go along with essentially the same format for years with some episodes more focused on William and Julia and others focused more on criminal investigation or some of Julia's interesting cases. If the writers are stupid enough to bring children in too soon, that would be the beginning of the end, especially if is was one of those obnoxious kids TV and movies seem to think is cute. Blech. The other trap the writers have to avoid it turning MM into "At Home with William and Julia." As long as they avoid those pitfalls and keep the essential mix of episodes I think MM could go on for several more years. Thank you! That's exactly how I feel! I love the romance, but it is secondary to the mystery show, and there is no need to declare the show a wrap now because the romance is "done". I also agree the child shouldn't be brought in too soon either - whether it's a matter of medical innovations or adoption. Hopefully this entire season can be spent on matters surrounding the marriage, and the writers will find interesting things to write about in future seasons rather than giving into the "natural closure" of the shipper arc. Man, I have to say it. What really gets my goat here is shippers place so much pressure for bringing the marriage about promising it wont kill the show, and then they start talking about natural closure and the show getting boring...i.e., marriage killed the show. For heaven's sake and jesus h. christ in handbasket, I'm now all for writers putting a huge cement wall and not listening to the nattering of fans at all. Let them scream about how they will leave the show and take their 500 friends with them all they want. Just let the writers write a show that lasts as long as it can, and that doesn't get wound in knots trying to please fans who will only herd the show toward a "natural closure" and say "bored now". |
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Oh my! How scandalous, Julia!