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Post by snacky on Oct 7, 2014 16:56:35 GMT
Julia went shopping? Bring on the angst!  Yes, I think she had at least 4 wardrobe changes and all were lovely! Don't worry, our boy knows how to bring the angst. He excels at it! But this time, I think he's the source of it. Waaaaaaaaa I was too busy paying close attention to the plot to check out Julia's new wardrobe!!! I'll have to take a closer look at that on the next viewing, probably later tonight. If Julia is really dressing to the nines, I wonder if that is increasing William's anxieties about the lifestyle she expects - even if she is completely supporting her lifestyle through her own work and personal inheritance already. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 7, 2014 17:04:40 GMT
Is it really wrong that I hope she's a red herring and really all she is a maneater who wants William served up to her for her next feast. While I think that Julia doesn't need William, she does want him to ride to her rescue. That's how he provides for her-with affection, adoration, and security. And will soon be performing other services as well. The woman in black seems like the proverbial black widow: she would enjoy seducing William (if she could) - but she would be outraged if she can't. Either way, if William interferes with her business, she would send the O'Sheas after him. I agree that Julia indulges in some rescue fantasies. That's another reason I hate William's big speech in Victor Victorian - he says "I will not rescue you". But Julia wants him to rescue her! Being an independent woman is hard work, and sometimes women need a wingman/wingwoman! William is also underestimating the value of those other services... |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 7, 2014 17:10:11 GMT
I agree William is worried about supporting Julia in the style she is accustomed - and I think Julia may have caught on to that when the Inspector mentioned why William wasn't/can't be promoted. I didn't see any smug look after their neighborhood walk. I just saw some nervousness on William's part. It was unclear to me who was stalling on setting a date. Both were saying "soon". William has a way of stalling forever under those circumstances, especially if he is waiting for Julia to do something, or if he has let fear of Julia's lifestyle expectations get the best of him. I hope Julia realizes what William is worried about and has some preemptive chat. Actually, I hadn't considered that angle. Do you think Brax picked up on William's concern and then conveyed it to her? You're right, being passed over again after how many times he's helped the mayor out would definitely sting, and cause some anxiety. But, I think it's William who's stalling. Julia's bringing up things like where they'll live, and maybe even places for a reception, amd whatnot and William's shooting everything down. He's worried about cost, and ultimately providing. Yes, I love angst, but I'd like to see this quickly resolved. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 7, 2014 17:16:06 GMT
Actually, I hadn't considered that angle. Do you think Brax picked up on William's concern and then conveyed it to her? You're right, being passed over again after how many times he's helped the mayor out would definitely sting, and cause some anxiety. But, I think it's William who's stalling. Julia's bringing up things like where they'll live, and maybe even places for a reception, amd whatnot and William's shooting everything down. He's worried about cost, and ultimately providing. Yes, I love angst, but I'd like to see this quickly resolved. Oooooh, Brax the shipper! I believe it's possible that he was letting Julia know what the cause the wedding of the delays might be. I hope Julia got the message! It should have been obvious something happened when William went from "VERY SOON!" to three months of "soons...". What happened was he was passed over for promotion to Inspector despite all his sucking up to the Mayor and being the "greatest detective in the King's realm". Yes, it's probably William who is stalling. But I think Julia does need to say something to reassure him that their marriage is not going to be about him supporting her financially. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 7, 2014 17:28:50 GMT
The women are doing well with their cause but I hope Julia is not left to float around like she has nothing to do other than organize protests whilst she waits for William or someone to marry her. It’s getting more and more difficult for me to see her as an independent, intelligent doctor and someone I once thought would become a woman of substance. Actually, organizing protests and other feminist activities is an interesting way of giving Julia something to do on the show, since she is no longer the coroner. It makes her a dynamic character and gets her in trouble! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 7, 2014 17:34:56 GMT
Is it really wrong that I hope she's a red herring and really all she is a maneater who wants William served up to her for her next feast. While I think that Julia doesn't need William, she does want him to ride to her rescue. That's how he provides for her-with affection, adoration, and security. And will soon be performing other services as well. The woman in black seems like the proverbial black widow: she would enjoy seducing William (if she could) - but she would be outraged if she can't. Either way, if William interferes with her business, she would send the O'Sheas after him. I agree that Julia indulges in some rescue fantasies. That's another reason I hate William's big speech in Victor Victorian - he says "I will not rescue you". But Julia wants him to rescue her! Being an independent woman is hard work, and sometimes women need a wingman/wingwoman! William is also underestimating the value of those other services... Yes, Julia wants William to watch out for her and come to her rescue. Not because she's a fragile flower and a hysteric little woman, but because he loves her, respects her and when she takes chances and goes too far-he's there ASAP if not sooner. She can be hyper feminine around him because he's not going to hold it against her. He'll still think she kicks ass. I really hope William comes limping into the jail and rescues her. She'll then make him feel better with her healing arts. |
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Post by ziggy on Oct 7, 2014 17:36:13 GMT
William had his knees knocked from under him, whilst on the ground he was kicked and coshed but not in the head. He'll have pretty sore ribs though. On a side note, I bet Yannick's knees hurt after that scene, he went down pretty hard. I don't know, there was a funny look on William's face at the end of that scene, almost an I know something you don't look.... I was worried about his knees too the way he dropped to the ground. I hope he didn’t injure himself. I saw the look too and I wasn’t sure if it was William being awkward about expressing physical pain. William is great when it comes to showing emotional pain. No one does it better but comes across as forced and awkward when it comes to physical pain. Like he was in the Wonderland episode where he was drugged out of his mind and had been asleep all night but he couldn’t quite express the fuzziness in his head when George woke him up. It’s like he is thinking of his image and wanting a sexy pose for the camera  . |
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Post by ziggy on Oct 7, 2014 17:39:18 GMT
Somewhere on this board in the last few days someone posted that William would have made just under $3.00 a day, Brax just over $3.00 and Higgins and Crabtree made just over $2.00. At least I think it was on here-and not some article. Let me think about that... My point being, their salaries weren't all that far apart. I haven't yet seen the ep, so can't yet intelligently comment. I doubt William or Brackenreid were earning around $3.00 a day, that's over $700 a year for 5 days a week. In Murdoch of the Klondike William had almost $200 worth of gold and he said it was almost half what he earned in a year. I doubt he's had a $300 raise in three years. In Let Us Ask The Maiden, George said he could not afford a house like Dr. Bagleman’s on $1.20 a day wage. I don’t think William was earning anything like $3.00 a day either and Brackenreid said in Power, way back in S1, that he was not going to live on or retire on a Policeman’s wage hence he was already looking at the stock market and good investments. Julia is the one going to buy a house for them to live in with some modest contribution from William. I think it’s something they both realize hence the playful banter they had when they were walking along the affluent neighbourhood. William is still coming to terms with it and Julia is having fun watching him struggle with it . |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 7, 2014 17:39:53 GMT
I can’t say that this lived up to the hype about this two parter but it wasn’t bad. It had multiple, interesting storylines, the actors did very well as usual and the production was great. However, for me, it lacked the mature, intellectual strength both in mystery and in scripting that attracted me to MM in the first place. I don’t know what it is about this writer that always leaves me feeling that the story could have been told in a more interesting way. I was glad to see Brackenreid physically up and about. I hadn’t thought about the psychological and emotional effect of his injuries. He had a traumatic experience and it was evident for us to see. That was very well done. There’s still some work to be done there before he is fully back to normal. As long as the O’Sheas are free to roam about in such close proximity and carry on the way they are, he won’t heal properly. But he is on the mend and is ready now to take action, so I am quite hopeful for a full recovery. I must say I was worried for Yannick. William came down hard on his knees when he got his legs knocked out from underneath him. I felt the pain. I think Yannick had an operation on his knee sometime this summer. I hope he didn’t crack a bone. With all the cycling he does on and off screen, he needs his legs and from all indications, he had another incident with his knees further into production that required him to take things easy for a while. I hope he is alright. The women are doing well with their cause but I hope Julia is not left to float around like she has nothing to do other than organize protests whilst she waits for William or someone to marry her. It’s getting more and more difficult for me to see her as an independent, intelligent doctor and someone I once thought would become a woman of substance. They didn’t need to bring Slorach in just to make him look like a buffoon. He had no purpose in this episode. I hadn’t expected to see Brackenreid this episode but our cranky ol’ red head was the only Inspector they needed. Let’s hope part 2 helps to lift things up a bit. I certainly liked the episode, but I might agree with you that starting the season with another cliffhanger wasn't the most satisfying. It answered questions for me, but who knows how it will stand the test of time. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 7, 2014 17:41:38 GMT
Not because she's a fragile flower and a hysteric little woman, but because he loves her, respects her and when she takes chances and goes too far-he's there ASAP if not sooner. She can be hyper feminine around him because he's not going to hold it against her. He'll still think she kicks ass. I really hope William comes limping into the jail and rescues her. She'll then make him feel better with her healing arts. Julia wants William to ride to her rescue because she has a hawt bodice-ripping fantasy about the follow-up. I do think William will find Julia in jail, but he will be late, and Julia will be long-suffering and grumpy about it despite poor William's bruises and cracked ribs. But later she will notice the limping and insist on dragging him to her place for a "healing arts" session. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 7, 2014 17:50:12 GMT
Is it really wrong that I hope she's a red herring and really all she is a maneater who wants William served up to her for her next feast. While I think that Julia doesn't need William, she does want him to ride to her rescue. That's how he provides for her-with affection, adoration, and security. And will soon be performing other services as well. The woman in black seems like the proverbial black widow: she would enjoy seducing William (if she could) - but she would be outraged if she can't. Either way, if William interferes with her business, she would send the O'Sheas after him. I agree that Julia indulges in some rescue fantasies. That's another reason I hate William's big speech in Victor Victorian - he says "I will not rescue you". But Julia wants him to rescue her! Being an independent woman is hard work, and sometimes women need a wingman/wingwoman! William is also underestimating the value of those other services... Little did he know that when he made a comment about prize mares and stallions that it gave her an idea. Seriously, did I just write that.  |
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Post by snacky on Oct 7, 2014 17:51:12 GMT
William is still coming to terms with it and Julia is having fun watching him struggle with it . I think Julia is still a bit oblivious to how uncomfortable William is about his class origins and professional failures. As Fallenbelle pointed out, this latest failure to be promoted had to be a terrible blow, especially with his marriage coming up. William's expectations have been high recently. He has been at the beck and call of the Mayor. He's been called the "greatest detective of the realm". I've mentioned in many posts that I thought that MM was setting up William with some hubris for something like a Greek tragedy. This might be part of it. William now realizes for all his sucking up, he can't get past the prejudice against his religion. And he can't be the man he was meant to be beside Julia because of it. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 7, 2014 17:57:56 GMT
Little did he know that when he made a comment about prize mares and stallions that it gave her an idea. Seriously, did I just write that. In my imaginary world, William and Julia have to test all furniture for sturdiness and durability as they do their pre-marital shopping. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 7, 2014 18:02:25 GMT
I certainly liked the episode, but I might agree with you that starting the season with another cliffhanger wasn't the most satisfying. I've been wondering how MM would beat "sinking the Titanic" for a BIG season premiere. I think this was pretty big. The violence at the start was certainly shocking for MM. There were no crazy CGI special effects. I hope the budget hasn't been restrained on that this year. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 7, 2014 18:04:02 GMT
Agreed about the kept man part-I think he's been so concentrated on just winning and wooing her for so long, that their differences are just now being noticed, and I definitely think it's bugging him. He wants to be the traditional male provider, and Julia doesn't need him, so that's got to hurt his manly pride a bit. I wonder if Julia just decides to surprise him with a house-I don't think he'll handle it well. Thing is, Julia doesn't need him-she wants him-which is a very feminist, modern position. She's marrying him because she loves him, and wants to share her life with him- not because she needs his social standing, or his money. She's not worried about William being after her money, but I hope that she realizes quickly what a sore spot it is for him. I think she may already have a clue, but a bit early just yet-hopefully a few more clues will drop about that next week. Absolutely - ALL these points!!!! I hope Julia realizes this very quickly before it snowballs. The bottom line is she doesn't need William as a provider - the traditional male role. William needs to realize that just as he was willing to marry a divorcee, she is willing to marry a man that's outside her social class. And if they are marrying for love, that means she who has the money can buy the house. He is bringing other things to the marriage.  Conveniently "inheriting" a house so no financial transactions are involved might also workout psychologically... Not only was he willing to marry a divorcee, she was also sterile. Not a good choice if you look at it from the typical Victorian 'women as commodities' angle. He needs to be as forgiving and as full of love for himself as he is for Julia. |
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