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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 7, 2014 18:11:23 GMT
I certainly liked the episode, but I might agree with you that starting the season with another cliffhanger wasn't the most satisfying. I've been wondering how MM would beat "sinking the Titanic" for a BIG season premiere. I think this was pretty big. The violence at the start was certainly shocking for MM. There were no crazy CGI special effects. I hope the budget hasn't been restrained on that this year. It was certainly big, but I don't know yet how I feel about a two-parter. As as for the CGI budget, it's not why I tune in. I loved Murdoch Ahoy, but if less CGI means more Mrs Brackenreid, I'm game. Plus the waterfront was pretty CGId. That's not what it looks like today! |
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Post by snacky on Oct 7, 2014 18:13:03 GMT
I had no fear that them being an engaged couple would take anything from the show, and it hasn't. Everyone got plenty to do and that's good. Though I don't think it was the strongest season opener the show has had. Still worth watching. I thought the engagement element was integrated really well, too. I especially liked how this seemed to fold in the class issues for William. IMHO, the key to a successful "ship" on a show is to use it for all aspects of character development. In other words, make it seem like the "ship" is necessary to tell the whole story, to get other stuff done, rather than just sit there in it's own compartment of special "shipper moments" that quickly devolve into fan service soap opera. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 7, 2014 18:17:05 GMT
It was almost a smug look but I'll have to watch it again. Darn it!! There was just something about the way he was replying to Julia's comment and the looks on his face in this scene but maybe I'm just reading something into it that's not there. The ep he had to rest was much later. Once you rewatch it, I'd love to know your take on it. I've rewatched this scene several times now and I'm not sure if it is the look I'm catching or the tone of voice matched with the look. It reminds me of when William and Julia were walking together at the end of Tour de Murdoch, the lighthearted joking about Leslie Garland being too young for her. Has a similar feel to it. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 7, 2014 18:20:54 GMT
As as for the CGI budget, it's not why I tune in. I loved Murdoch Ahoy, but if less CGI means more Mrs Brackenreid, I'm game. Plus the waterfront was pretty CGId. That's not what it looks like today! All the waterfront was CGI'd because the Victorian backdrop just doesn't exist any more and there's no direction you can turn to block the modern city. I wouldn't have minded the two parter if they'd shown them back to back. They have an episode on at 7pm every weekday, they could easily have shown the first part at 7 and the second in the regular Monday 8pm timeslot. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 7, 2014 18:21:42 GMT
Once you rewatch it, I'd love to know your take on it. I've rewatched this scene several times now and I'm not sure if it is the look I'm catching or the tone of voice matched with the look. It reminds me of when William and Julia were walking together at the end of Tour de Murdoch, the lighthearted joking about Leslie Garland being too young for her. Has a similar feel to it. I know what you mean, but this time I think that tone means William is nervous about the whole subject. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 7, 2014 18:25:50 GMT
They didn’t need to bring Slorach in just to make him look like a buffoon. He had no purpose in this episode. I hadn’t expected to see Brackenreid this episode but our cranky ol’ red head was the only Inspector they needed. Let’s hope part 2 helps to lift things up a bit. Slorach will have been the inspector at SH4 since Brackenreid was attacked, so probably about 4-6 months. They couldn't have been without for that long. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 7, 2014 18:27:27 GMT
As as for the CGI budget, it's not why I tune in. I loved Murdoch Ahoy, but if less CGI means more Mrs Brackenreid, I'm game. Plus the waterfront was pretty CGId. That's not what it looks like today! All the waterfront was CGI'd because the Victorian backdrop just doesn't exist any more and there's no direction you can turn to block the modern city. I wouldn't have minded the two parter if they'd shown them back to back. They have an episode on at 7pm every weekday, they could easily have shown the first part at 7 and the second in the regular Monday 8pm timeslot. hmmm, in the U.S. I could swear some shows used to have 2 hour blockbuster premiere episodes. Or maybe that was only for first episodes of new shows. Anyway the MM powers that be have chosen to make us suffer, wahahahaha. Didn't one of the showrunners express a fear of having to compete with Gotham, too? I wonder how that worked out? I also noticed on twitter that a lot of people were going to watch the MM premiere after the hockey game, and that may have gotten in the way of gathering a huge "proof" levels of viewers for the premiere. This has ramifications for later MM financing.  How did the viewership numbers come out in the end? Ps. mrsbrisby is mentioning in another thread how Miss Fisher Murder mysteries now gets Museum exhibits devoted to Miss Fisher's wardrobe. WTF! I've seen that show, and it's the normal boring PBS mystery except it's set in Australia. It's no MM. Where's MM's museum exhibit???!!!! |
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Post by snacky on Oct 7, 2014 18:31:11 GMT
IMO though as a couple of people were disappointed, can't figure out why. What were people disappointed by? |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 7, 2014 19:02:49 GMT
I've rewatched this scene several times now and I'm not sure if it is the look I'm catching or the tone of voice matched with the look. It reminds me of when William and Julia were walking together at the end of Tour de Murdoch, the lighthearted joking about Leslie Garland being too young for her. Has a similar feel to it. I know what you mean, but this time I think that tone means William is nervous about the whole subject. In a way I know what you mean and I now realize I was comparing it to the wrong scene but I can't think where it is I've seen William with this look and tone before. I'll really have to think about this. I've definitely seen it before though. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 7, 2014 19:11:49 GMT
I know what you mean, but this time I think that tone means William is nervous about the whole subject. In a way I know what you mean and I now realize I was comparing it to the wrong scene but I can't think where it is I've seen William with this look and tone before. I'll really have to think about this. I've definitely seen it before though. I'm having trouble putting my finger on an example, too, but I think we could find several. You've pointed out how Yannick makes is voice lower for William's normal tone of speaking. That gives him that higher register to express nervousness or more ambiguous emotions. All I saw in that scene was anxiety, though - not ambiguity in the sense of "maybe I have something else up my sleeve, though~" |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 19:14:25 GMT
So how badly was William injured in the end...?  William was up on his feet at the end, so we're not quite sure. when will,you see this Snacky? i'd like to say more but don't know if I should. Oops just realized I am behind the times again. Will repost when I have read everything in this thread so I am not repeating stuff. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 7, 2014 19:55:19 GMT
IMO though as a couple of people were disappointed, can't figure out why. What were people disappointed by? Can't imagine and it looks like the posts have been deleted as they were on the MMAS page instead of S8 discussion page. The first time I watched it I thought it was great. A new direction almost and loved how dark it was compared to the last couple of seasons. The music was totally different too. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 19:56:46 GMT
IMO though as a couple of people were disappointed, can't figure out why. What were people disappointed by? I would like to know that too. At the same time I understand the frustrations about the wedding date. Maybe they feel that they should wait for Brax to be back to his normal self. I really liked how they treated his situation, but I am worried that his actions at the end could lead to tragedy. The harbormaster lady gives me the creeps. The ladies' clothes (esp. Jukia and Emily) were wonderful. I am going to have to rewatch just for them! on the other hand I am not sure I like how they reworked the station. The outside scenes were really well done especially if you compare them to the older episodes: a lot more depth in the overhead and streetscapes. Did anyone else notice Emily's new phone? |
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Post by lovemondays on Oct 7, 2014 20:19:07 GMT
They didn’t need to bring Slorach in just to make him look like a buffoon. He had no purpose in this episode. I hadn’t expected to see Brackenreid this episode but our cranky ol’ red head was the only Inspector they needed. Let’s hope part 2 helps to lift things up a bit. Slorach will have been the inspector at SH4 since Brackenreid was attacked, so probably about 4-6 months. They couldn't have been without for that long. The writers needed Slorak both to establish a time reference and to create a compelling set of reasons for Brackenreid to come back. His presence also kept us in suspense about Brax's condition for the first little while. I got wondering if William's Catholocism is really the only reason he was passed over. Yes, he's the mayor's hero and the best detective in the realm but he created a pretty big career ceiling for himself when he gave Ava Moon the means and opportunity to escape. If CI Giles promoted William it would send a very mixed message to the rank and file, not to mention also having to overcome his own sense of outrage over the whole incident. |
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Post by carco on Oct 7, 2014 20:19:50 GMT
Oh, and Julia and William still haven't set a date? I was crossing my fingers for a early wedding, perhaps within the first five episodes, but I suppose not. I don't mind conflict, as it drives the story, but if there's any more of the will they/won't they crap, I'm staging an intervention. There's plenty of discord to be had within the marriage, and I'd like them to look into adopting a child. I'd love to see that whole process, and I fear that this or next season will be the last- so they'd better get moving. An intervention.... I love that line but only 'cause it's true. If you had friends like that, you would definitely have already staged an intervention. Yeah, I'm annoyed to hear that they haven't set a date yet either-I wasn't expecting the wedding to be next week, but it seems Julia and William have a very different interpretation of 'soon'. Of course, my new theory is that there won't be an on screen wedding, rather William will stroll in after an unexpected vacation wearing a ring, whistling, and in a veeeerrrryyy good mood.  Oh, he already seems to be in a "very good mood" now  ...looser, smiling a lot and being playful (in a William-y way.) He's loosened up some, given his bemused reaction to the lady harbourmaster putting her hand on his knee and later when he proudly piped up "...I am engaged to be married.." when she asked him to confirm he is a single man. But the beleaguered shipper in me has PTSD just like the Inspector and I can't help but sense dark clouds gathering in regard to their future nuptials .... there were too many comments made about the upcoming nuptials and so many confidant replies from Julia and/or William. Maybe Part 2 will clarify things? But one thing about William hasn't changed, when Julia was fiddling with his jacket in the morgue, I couldn't help but notice he took her hand and held it. Perhaps he felt she was getting perilously close to the sacred tie? |
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...looser, smiling a lot and being playful (in a William-y way.) He's loosened up some, given his bemused reaction to the lady harbourmaster putting her hand on his knee and later when he proudly piped up "...I am engaged to be married.." when she asked him to confirm he is a single man.