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Post by Hodge on Oct 12, 2014 18:47:27 GMT
Looking at this photo, unless they've repainted the cells at SH4, they look like they're in custody somewhere else. They could be cells at the courthouse though. In 1898 Sir Wilfred Laurier transferred the control of who had the right to vote to the provinces. In 1902 the provinces were still in control therefore the ladies were at the mercy of the Premier of Ontario not the Prime Minister. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 12, 2014 19:12:55 GMT
Looking at this photo, unless they've repainted the cells at SH4, they look like they're in custody somewhere else. They could be cells at the courthouse though. In 1898 Sir Wilfred Laurier transferred the control of who had the right to vote to the provinces. In 1902 the provinces were still in control therefore the ladies were at the mercy of the Premier of Ontario not the Prime Minister. Wow, awesome historical research! I still think you caught costuming "oopsie" on the Station House 4 uniforms. The Station House 4 constables just wouldn't attack the women in that way. They've been under the guidance of people with basic respect for women, and they aren't the violent pub type of constables that Station House 5 was. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 12, 2014 19:26:45 GMT
Looking at this photo, unless they've repainted the cells at SH4, they look like they're in custody somewhere else. They could be cells at the courthouse though. In 1898 Sir Wilfred Laurier transferred the control of who had the right to vote to the provinces. In 1902 the provinces were still in control therefore the ladies were at the mercy of the Premier of Ontario not the Prime Minister. Wow, awesome historical research! I still think you caught costuming "oopsie" on the Station House 4 uniforms. The Station House 4 constables just wouldn't attack the women in that way. They've been under the guidance of people with basic respect for women, and they aren't the violent pub type of constables that Station House 5 was. Thanks! Canadian history can be quite interesting even if it's quite 'modern' compared to British history, which is what I studied in school. I live in quite a historical area that was right in the middle of the War of 1812 so I've become interested in Canadian history in general. I agree about the costuming oopsie. They probably have more SH4 uniforms than any others. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 12, 2014 19:47:05 GMT
Wow, awesome historical research! I still think you caught costuming "oopsie" on the Station House 4 uniforms. The Station House 4 constables just wouldn't attack the women in that way. They've been under the guidance of people with basic respect for women, and they aren't the violent pub type of constables that Station House 5 was. Thanks! Canadian history can be quite interesting even if it's quite 'modern' compared to British history, which is what I studied in school. I live in quite a historical area that was right in the middle of the War of 1812 so I've become interested in Canadian history in general. I agree about the costuming oopsie. They probably have more SH4 uniforms than any others. I love how Murdoch Mysteries draws me into realizing Canada has a history and learning about it. Before watching MM, Canada was seriously one big blank for me, even though it is such a large country. I think it takes history to give a country depth and make it interesting. I really hope the Powers That Be in Canada realize that and start to take that into consideration in placing their funding of the CBC. And I hope the CBC starts sponsoring more shows that say, "Damn it, this is set in historic Canada!" Since I've mainly studied European and Asian History, Murdoch Mysteries has also provoked in me a little more interest in American history of the time period, and it's interactions with Canada. The area where I live was especially colorful at the time (San Francisco pre-Earthquake). New York and Boston were also quite the hubs of culture and civilization. Because of the Great Lakes trade, these places interacted a lot with Canadian port cities like Toronto. The political and economic stakes were high, so I'm sure there was plenty of espionage going on as well. Anyway, thank you Murdoch Mysteries, for making Canada visible to me. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 12, 2014 20:03:09 GMT
I love how Murdoch Mysteries draws me into realizing Canada has a history and learning about it. Before watching MM, Canada was seriously one big blank for me, even though it is such a large country. I think it takes history to give a country depth and make it interesting. I really hope the Powers That Be in Canada realize that and start to take that into consideration in placing their funding of the CBC. And I hope the CBC starts sponsoring more shows that say, "Damn it, this is set in historic Canada!" Anyway, thank you Murdoch Mysteries, for making Canada visible to me. I think most Americans just see Canada as the 'Great White North' despite the fact that we have more seasonal change than most of the US. I was conversing (by email) to an American in Seattle once and she asked how the weather was 'up north', I lived considerably SOUTH of her! Our history is just as interesting and has as much turmoil as American history though ours tends to be more British/French oriented except for the War of 1812. I worked at a living history museum for the Christmas season a few years ago and then volunteered for a couple of years before we moved away. It was wonderful and was the most enjoyable job I've ever had. The homestead was built in 1842 however it's set up as it was in the 1850's, the builder was actually an American that moved to Canada. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 12, 2014 20:14:58 GMT
I love how Murdoch Mysteries draws me into realizing Canada has a history and learning about it. Before watching MM, Canada was seriously one big blank for me, even though it is such a large country. I think it takes history to give a country depth and make it interesting. I really hope the Powers That Be in Canada realize that and start to take that into consideration in placing their funding of the CBC. And I hope the CBC starts sponsoring more shows that say, "Damn it, this is set in historic Canada!" Anyway, thank you Murdoch Mysteries, for making Canada visible to me. I think most Americans just see Canada as the 'Great White North' despite the fact that we have more seasonal change than most of the US. I was conversing (by email) to an American in Seattle once and she asked how the weather was 'up north', I lived considerably SOUTH of her! Our history is just as interesting and has as much turmoil as American history though ours tends to be more British/French oriented except for the War of 1812. I worked at a living history museum for the Christmas season a few years ago and then volunteered for a couple of years before we moved away. It was wonderful and was the most enjoyable job I've ever had. The homestead was built in 1842 however it's set up as it was in the 1850's, the builder was actually an American that moved to Canada. I think of the war of 1812 happening in the south and involving the burning of the White House, lol. Now I'm intrigued about the British/French politics - I kind of wish that was more evident in MM. Can you recommend a book? Honestly I don't think about Canadian weather at all. It's seriously just a blank with "health care". Occasionally I see a Canadian joke on TV involving mounties or "eh". It's surprisingly non-historic for me given that it's such a large country and it's right next to the country where I live. But I have to confess to being utterly disinterested in American history throughout the years of my formal education as well. Perhaps I would have known more about Canada had I bothered with some American history in college. We have Jack London's little cabin on a wharf here - it's the tiniest thing! |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Oct 12, 2014 23:07:50 GMT
Looking at this photo, unless they've repainted the cells at SH4, they look like they're in custody somewhere else. They could be cells at the courthouse though. In 1898 Sir Wilfred Laurier transferred the control of who had the right to vote to the provinces. In 1902 the provinces were still in control therefore the ladies were at the mercy of the Premier of Ontario not the Prime Minister. Thank for having corrected my mistake.  It come from my misunderstanding of some English words but I also must admit that I'm not familiar with the political and administrative system of CANADA. Indeed I referred to the person to whom the petition was addressed. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 12, 2014 23:26:44 GMT
I think most Americans just see Canada as the 'Great White North' despite the fact that we have more seasonal change than most of the US. I was conversing (by email) to an American in Seattle once and she asked how the weather was 'up north', I lived considerably SOUTH of her! Our history is just as interesting and has as much turmoil as American history though ours tends to be more British/French oriented except for the War of 1812. I worked at a living history museum for the Christmas season a few years ago and then volunteered for a couple of years before we moved away. It was wonderful and was the most enjoyable job I've ever had. The homestead was built in 1842 however it's set up as it was in the 1850's, the builder was actually an American that moved to Canada. I think of the war of 1812 happening in the south and involving the burning of the White House, lol. Now I'm intrigued about the British/French politics - I kind of wish that was more evident in MM. Can you recommend a book? Honestly I don't think about Canadian weather at all. It's seriously just a blank with "health care". Occasionally I see a Canadian joke on TV involving mounties or "eh". It's surprisingly non-historic for me given that it's such a large country and it's right next to the country where I live. But I have to confess to being utterly disinterested in American history throughout the years of my formal education as well. Perhaps I would have known more about Canada had I bothered with some American history in college. We have Jack London's little cabin on a wharf here - it's the tiniest thing! By the time of MM most of the British/French problems had worked themselves out. Wilfred Laurier was the first French Canadian prime minister and it was suggested by an Anglophone that he stand. Not only was he French Canadian but Roman Catholic. I think you'll be amazed by the similarity in the photo of him to the actor that portrayed him in Confederate Treasure. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilfrid_LaurierThere's a website (not very professional) that has a brief history of Canada with all the major events. www3.sympatico.ca/goweezer/canada/can1867.htmI'd have to look for a book though Pierre Berton is the major Canadian historical author. www.pierreberton.com/author.htmOn the subject of health care all I can say is it works. Having come from Britain that also has 'free' healthcare I wouldn't go for anything less. Of course it's not really free, you pay in your taxes however it makes it more palatable when you don't see how much you're paying but even then it's nothing like in the US. Whilst it's not perfect by any stretch you don't go bankrupt just because you're unfortunate enough to become ill. If you need something now you get it now. The only things you wait for are 'elective surgeries'. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 12, 2014 23:55:04 GMT
By the time of MM most of the British/French problems had worked themselves out. Wilfred Laurier was the first French Canadian prime minister and it was suggested by an Anglophone that he stand. Not only was he French Canadian but Roman Catholic. I think you'll be amazed by the similarity in the photo of him to the actor that portrayed him in Confederate Treasure. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilfrid_LaurierThere's a website (not very professional) that has a brief history of Canada with all the major events. www3.sympatico.ca/goweezer/canada/can1867.htmI'd have to look for a book though Pierre Berton is the major Canadian historical author. www.pierreberton.com/author.htmOn the subject of health care all I can say is it works. Having come from Britain that also has 'free' healthcare I wouldn't go for anything less. Of course it's not really free, you pay in your taxes however it makes it more palatable when you don't see how much you're paying but even then it's nothing like in the US. Whilst it's not perfect by any stretch you don't go bankrupt just because you're unfortunate enough to become ill. If you need something now you get it now. The only things you wait for are 'elective surgeries'. Wa - so Laurier could have had William promoted by fiat at some point! I do realize health care is supported by hefty taxes. It's also weirdly defended from outsiders. I got sick when I was in England, and I wasn't allowed in the door to see the University doctor, lol.  In the US we don't get very much for what we're supposedly paying for. So I don't see what all the fuss is about.  Anyway, Canada should be proud of your healthcare system, because that's what you're generally known for in the U.S. - having "good healthcare".  |
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Post by fan2tvshows on Oct 12, 2014 23:59:50 GMT
 I think they are kept in custody or provisional detention during the process of trial. Julia and Emily surely could afford to make bail but they would prefer to show solidarity with other women. About the public protest, I think that the Prime Minister indeed could be a forward thinker -not like the member of provincial parliament who ripped up the petition- and he could grant his pardon to all the women who have been arrested and threw in jail. Lesley GARLAND will have no other choice than to bow down. It could be a little victory for women. Thank you so much for sharing those here! I look forward to seeing Leslie Garland being made to look like an unchivalrous fool. But of course being made to look unchivalrous gets in the way of the argument for women's rights as fully rational citizens, as William pointed out in Victor/Victorian - so we may see the women themselves refusing any special treatment. Looking forward to some William angst, too! Woo hoo! sorry not sorry, lovemondays! They have been arrested because of the form and the content of their public protest.
About the form: they were disturbing public order and if found guilty, they could face a prison sentence.
About the content: women do not have legal standing to protest because they are not recognized by law as legal persons.
They fight for the women's right to vote and they must convince men and specifically the Premier of Ontario that they deserve it and that women should become full citizens.
That's why I believe that this would be extremely hypocritical to accept the help of a man.
And I also think women will be able to argue their cases effectively and get the pardon of the Premier of Ontario.
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Post by Hodge on Oct 13, 2014 0:04:02 GMT
Wa - so Laurier could have had William promoted by fiat at some point! I do realize health care is supported by hefty taxes. It's also weirdly defended from outsiders. I got sick when I was in England, and I wasn't allowed in the door to see the University doctor, lol. In the US we don't get very much for what we're supposedly paying for. So I don't see what all the fuss is about. Anyway, Canada should be proud of your healthcare system, because that's what you're generally known for in the U.S. - having "good healthcare". I'm not sure the PM could tell a city to promote someone, they're not omnipotent. He could perhaps have suggested a promotion though.... It's been a long time since I had to rely on the British health system. I think too many 'foreigners' have tried to 'make use' of the system and now they've clamped down. In Ontario if you're not cover by OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance Plan) you have to pay, I believe it's $40 to see a doctor. Of course any treatment has to be paid for as well. They won't prevent you from seeing a doctor though. |
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Post by lovemondays on Oct 14, 2014 0:34:25 GMT
I LOVE IT when I'm right!!! Terrific episode. I really liked how the various murders and attacks were tied together, with a few surprises...well done Brax. Slorach, as suggested, has far more depth and honour than his demeanor suggests. Good job. Julia's tactics behind the scenes with the crown prosecutor are to be applauded. Nice to see that "piss ant" get his just desserts. I'm afraid though that he'll now become a much more dangerous enemy. I vote that Fallenbelle gets to have first comment on the last 3 minutes. Woo hoooo  |
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Post by lovemondays on Oct 14, 2014 1:00:14 GMT
Clara Brett Martin is a historical figure of the time. She was born to wealthy Anglican-Irish parents and graduated with a B.A. from Trinity College (now part of the University of Toronto) in mathematics at the age of 16.
She petitioned the Law Society of Upper Canada for admission but was rejected due to an interpretation of the statute upholding the status of men as the only ones permitted to practice law. A year later, in 1892, the word "person" was broadened to include women. Interestingly, this law was supported by the Premier of Ontario.
I just love how the writers of MM are able to weave in actual historical figures and content into the script.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 14, 2014 1:05:05 GMT
I LOVE IT when I'm right!!! Terrific episode. I really liked how the various murders and attacks were tied together, with a few surprises...well done Brax. Slorach, as suggested, has far more depth and honour than his demeanor suggests. Good job. Julia's tactics behind the scenes with the crown prosecutor are to be applauded. Nice to see that "piss ant" get his just desserts. I'm afraid though that he'll now become a much more dangerous enemy. I vote that Fallenbelle gets to have first comment on the last 3 minutes. Woo hoooo Awww, I'm touched. But it's going to be a few more hours for me at least. Is it something to do with the tie? |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 14, 2014 1:44:49 GMT
I LOVE IT when I'm right!!! Terrific episode. I really liked how the various murders and attacks were tied together, with a few surprises...well done Brax. Slorach, as suggested, has far more depth and honour than his demeanor suggests. Good job. Julia's tactics behind the scenes with the crown prosecutor are to be applauded. Nice to see that "piss ant" get his just desserts. I'm afraid though that he'll now become a much more dangerous enemy. I vote that Fallenbelle gets to have first comment on the last 3 minutes. Woo hoooo Awww, I'm touched. But it's going to be a few more hours for me at least. Is it something to do with the tie? What do you think Fallenbelle?? |
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