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Post by lovemondays on Jan 27, 2015 14:42:14 GMT
I have to say I was very proud of William's character development. If this episode had been written anytime before this season Adorkable!William would have blushed his way through interviewing all those undressed women. Soooo cute. Instead we had comfortable-with-undressed-womenSuave!William conducting interviews and urbanely thwarting that awful Heloise.
Why wasn't Heloise charged with theft of intellectual property?
The writers even managed to bring up the issue of women in the workplace who have to work harder than men to climb the ladder and get labelled as a bitch when they employ 'mannish' methods to do so.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jan 27, 2015 15:22:44 GMT
Did anyone notice the wedding photo just to the right of the cocoa tray? Awwww. Yes, I did. A 3rd wedding photo. Awwww. I still want to know when those pics were taken. They didn't see each other until the altar, then they ran away to arrest Mrs. Thompson. Haha, good point. They made everyone come back the next morning in their wedding duds?  But Julia's dress would have obviously been ripped up pretty bad so that can't be the solution either.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jan 27, 2015 15:29:31 GMT
So I guess the 'her' Mitchell was talking about was not Julia after all. Huh, go figure. (in relation to going corset free) Well looks like Lemily is well on it's way to being a thing...I couldn't stop laughing over the ending though.  This was a decent ep but I'd say my least fave of the year so far, at least case wise. 'The victim was suffocated mysteriously.' 'Curious, very curious. I'll be taking that corset home now for my wife to try on.' Okay, that's not really fair but I still found it strange he'd take home something on a murdered person rather than examine it first... So, let me get this straight: Julia talks about (on more than one occasion) the wonderful feeling of being liberated from a corset or the beauty of a woman's body sans corset and the character to be freed from the corset is Emily? WTF? I don't understand... Unless, William seriously has a fetish for corsets. Why did she defend them? Actually, William having a fetish for corsets explains a lot in this episode...  Unless it was a parallel to the current free-the nipple/bras are symbols of oppression? BTW, you'll pry my bra out of my cold, dead hands. I have big boobs-it's not optional for me! Kthanxbai.Yup the ONLY explanation that makes sense to me is that William has a fetish for them. Exhibit A) He brought home something that was on a dead girl and then let his wife try it on only hours after said dead girl died Exhibit B) Brax wanted to know why he knew so much about corsets And they probably both equally like having it undone before they become undone. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jan 27, 2015 15:31:30 GMT
She can have her, preferably off screen. Yeah...not liking her any better this week. Also, I still think she has some responsibility for the model's death. But because she's banging Emily, she'll get off scot free.I HAVE to write a parody fic about that last scene. I just HAVE to. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Jan 27, 2015 15:38:12 GMT
I liked this ep! The plot kept twisting enough that you didn't know who dunnit till the end. So many MM plots have revolved around an obvious suspect with William setting out to prove it. He had to do that here but he was ably helped by Julia and Emily who FINALLY got to be more than arm candy and 15 seconds of diagnosis. I loved William's version of "doing something fun this evening"...figuring out how a killer corset works in the morgue! I got to wondering about how the ratchet mechanism works though...does it reset itself every time the corset is removed? It must. Did anyone else wonder how the seamstress figured out/engineered the ratcheting mechanism? IMO, William brought the corset home for Julia to try because a) he wanted to see her in it (and get her out of it), and b) he knew she would be fascinated with it. He didn't know it was a killer corset until she activated it. I've watched the scene a couple of times...when Julia first puts it on both her arms are working normally. They must have filmed it before her accident then re-shot the last bit with a plausible fall. I'm thinking they did because they were at the Walper Hotel filming ToD and re-writing when Helene had her biking accident. Even though George didn't have a lot of face time he made a contribution to solving the case that had enough punch for William to give him a well deserved, thoughtful "Good job George". The sub plot with the boys and 'dads' made me laugh. Brax is right back to Mr. "Beat-it-out-of-them" so I guess his PTSD has abated. Naturally the boys were finished as soon as blood started to flow. I still dislike Lillian Moss. What cheek..."Julia, maybe you should be loosening something besides your corset"!!!! I did like seeing her squirm under William's questioning but what happened to those destruction of property charges? We do get some valuable insight into why she has become an activist and it is based in personal anger that she has converted into a fight against repression. It supports my opinion that she is also a man-hater. Yep, the writers are going there with Lemily. We'll see how this plays out but if Snacky's scenario of viewership plays out then it's a really good thing. Yeah they never explained how the seamstress engineered that death trap...but we know from Lilian's own mouth that she was studying to be an engineer...so did some collab happen after all? If so I'd imagine the other lady would have turned on Lilian. So I guess not. Yup, not liking Lilian anymore. Does she really need to be rude to Julia every ep? And does Emily not tell her off because she agrees with her? Or she just wants in her pants too much...but then she wouldn't have told Murdoch that incriminating stuff
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 27, 2015 15:49:29 GMT
Yes, I did. A 3rd wedding photo. Awwww. I still want to know when those pics were taken. They didn't see each other until the altar, then they ran away to arrest Mrs. Thompson. Haha, good point. They made everyone come back the next morning in their wedding duds? But Julia's dress would have obviously been ripped up pretty bad so that can't be the solution either.
OMG! I just figured it out! Tie is to William as corset is to Julia. We've been talking so long about how the tie serves as a leash on William, we missed where the corset does the same on Julia. When both are removed, unholyness occurs! Unspeakable unholyness...  It's a miracle they haven't been kicked out of their hotel yet. On their wedding night, William discovered that he had a serious predilection for corsets. He was supposed to be helping Julia out of the garment, but instead he found he was fascinated and aroused at how the garment ever so gently controlled her body while concealing it from the view of others. He couldn't help but take his time and examine the corset completely- examining the foundation piece with his hands-ever so slowly driving his bride mad with desire-noting how her breath hitched as he pulled on and tightened the laces. He liked how the corset was removed only in the privacy of the home and how it was the epitome of propriety; William believed in propriety. At least in public, that is. In the closed doors of their suite, William enjoyed nothing more than being anything and everything but proper. He liked it best when he could remove his suit and particularly his tie, and in turn, undress Julia-at his leisure, of course, while taking time to enjoy her heaving bosom and watching her come undone as he made her mad with desire. Umm, yeah, I think I just scared myself. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 27, 2015 15:53:16 GMT
So, let me get this straight: Julia talks about (on more than one occasion) the wonderful feeling of being liberated from a corset or the beauty of a woman's body sans corset and the character to be freed from the corset is Emily? WTF? I don't understand... Unless, William seriously has a fetish for corsets. Why did she defend them? Actually, William having a fetish for corsets explains a lot in this episode... Unless it was a parallel to the current free-the nipple/bras are symbols of oppression? BTW, you'll pry my bra out of my cold, dead hands. I have big boobs-it's not optional for me! Kthanxbai.Yup the ONLY explanation that makes sense to me is that William has a fetish for them. Exhibit A) He brought home something that was on a dead girl and then let his wife try it on only hours after said dead girl died Exhibit B) Brax wanted to know why he knew so much about corsets And they probably both equally like having it undone before they become undone. Exhibit C-Brax told him to do something fun, and he said he would be. He was going to examine a corset with Julia and got so excited he actually forgot himself and was lascivious around Emily-although only Julia saw the lecherous look on his face. File another for the William is a Perv discussion. Also, in the suite while they're putting the corset on-he's healthy, and he's not wearing a tie. Oh, my... |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 27, 2015 16:06:23 GMT
She can have her, preferably off screen. Yeah...not liking her any better this week. Also, I still think she has some responsibility for the model's death. But because she's banging Emily, she'll get off scot free.I don't think she is yet, it's still wishful thinking. Hope it stays that way, Emily doesn't need that kind of role model. This woman is trouble and it seems Emily is impressionable. I'm not sure she could really be held responsible, she didn't know she was wearing a corset that could kill her however she is guilty of vandalism and it seems that was overlooked. |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 27, 2015 16:13:26 GMT
I actually wish they had stayed with the 13 ep formula. I always prefer quality over quantity and I'm afraid I find half of most US shows to be filler and rather a waste of time to watch. Sure some eps are necessary stepping stones to something grander but that shouldn't need to be like half of a season.... I can see your point. I don't like dilution either. It's better to have 13 quality than 18 meh. I suppose I get paranoid about the show being suddenly cancelled, so I hope for 18 quality and for there to be as many as possible in the can for reruns. 13 per season is very few. And, if you think about it, we lost a lot of Hotness!William because of it. Most people are actually enjoying all of this season. There were complaints about the lack of Julia/Jilliam but people still on the whole liked the episodes. We can't expect every episode to be our favourites. On the whole this season hasn't been bad and it has had, IMO, one of the best episodes of the series. I've enjoyed each ep as I watched it but as usual there were a couple that I won't watch as often as others. After 8 seasons it must be hard to keep things fresh. I'd like to see some eps written by one or two of the writers from the first 4 seasons, names that have only appeared once or twice. The earlier seasons were definitely edgier but I wonder if that was more the production than the script. |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 27, 2015 16:21:02 GMT
I have to say I was very proud of William's character development. If this episode had been written anytime before this season Adorkable!William would have blushed his way through interviewing all those undressed women. Soooo cute. Instead we had comfortable-with-undressed-womenSuave!William conducting interviews and urbanely thwarting that awful Heloise. Why wasn't Heloise charged with theft of intellectual property? The writers even managed to bring up the issue of women in the workplace who have to work harder than men to climb the ladder and get labelled as a bitch when they employ 'mannish' methods to do so. I guess marriage has expanded Williams horizons and now he's used to seeing semi naked women.... Talking of married William, why would be not be familiar with corsets if he laces Julia into hers? I thought Brackenreid's comment strange, obviously he doesn't lace Margaret into hers. I would have thought it odd if an unmarried William knew a lot about corsets! The seamstress did say she designed it under Heloise's roof. Same thing happened to a guy I worked with. I have to admit I was surprised by William's reaction to Heloise. Yes, she was intolerable but I didn't think William would have said what he did. Good on Julia for calling him out. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 27, 2015 16:34:15 GMT
I have to say I was very proud of William's character development. If this episode had been written anytime before this season Adorkable!William would have blushed his way through interviewing all those undressed women. Soooo cute. Instead we had comfortable-with-undressed-womenSuave!William conducting interviews and urbanely thwarting that awful Heloise. Why wasn't Heloise charged with theft of intellectual property? The writers even managed to bring up the issue of women in the workplace who have to work harder than men to climb the ladder and get labelled as a bitch when they employ 'mannish' methods to do so. I guess marriage has expanded Williams horizons and now he's used to seeing semi naked women.... Talking of married William, why would be not be familiar with corsets if he laces Julia into hers? I thought Brackenreid's comment strange, obviously he doesn't lace Margaret into hers. I would have thought it odd if an unmarried William knew a lot about corsets! The seamstress did say she designed it under Heloise's roof. Same thing happened to a guy I worked with. I have to admit I was surprised by William's reaction to Heloise. Yes, she was intolerable but I didn't think William would have said what he did. Good on Julia for calling him out. It was a good comment on Julia's part, but I actually think William exercised restraint when he didn't arrest her obstruction of a murder investigation-which she was doing big time. She moved the body, took off the corset, and was just put out that he was bothering her and her clients. I understand her behavior and why she had to act the way she did, but she wasn't a likeable person. She lied, stole, mistreated her way to the top. Karma's a bitch-and it'll get you in the end-irregardless of your gender. I thought of Martha Stewart here. Its also what bothered me about Lillian's reaction to the model's death. She didn't mean to kill her, but corsets are evil, and she's got to further the cause. Too bad, so sad. She's much like Heloise in that they can't think of others or don't care about them. She'll destroy Emily if Emily's not careful. |
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Post by carco on Jan 27, 2015 16:44:30 GMT
It sounds like Emily does!  She can have her, preferably off screen. I'm open minded but that end scene creeped me out.  That said, I've now decided that Lemily should get married. If William and Julia's marriage is an example, then marriage will put the kabosh on our having to endure any kissing or other intimate scenes between them.  |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 27, 2015 16:48:20 GMT
I liked this ep! The plot kept twisting enough that you didn't know who dunnit till the end. So many MM plots have revolved around an obvious suspect with William setting out to prove it. He had to do that here but he was ably helped by Julia and Emily who FINALLY got to be more than arm candy and 15 seconds of diagnosis. I loved William's version of "doing something fun this evening"...figuring out how a killer corset works in the morgue! I got to wondering about how the ratchet mechanism works though...does it reset itself every time the corset is removed? It must. Did anyone else wonder how the seamstress figured out/engineered the ratcheting mechanism? IMO, William brought the corset home for Julia to try because a) he wanted to see her in it (and get her out of it), and b) he knew she would be fascinated with it. He didn't know it was a killer corset until she activated it. I've watched the scene a couple of times...when Julia first puts it on both her arms are working normally. They must have filmed it before her accident then re-shot the last bit with a plausible fall. I'm thinking they did because they were at the Walper Hotel filming ToD and re-writing when Helene had her biking accident. Even though George didn't have a lot of face time he made a contribution to solving the case that had enough punch for William to give him a well deserved, thoughtful "Good job George". The sub plot with the boys and 'dads' made me laugh. Brax is right back to Mr. "Beat-it-out-of-them" so I guess his PTSD has abated. Naturally the boys were finished as soon as blood started to flow. I still dislike Lillian Moss. What cheek..."Julia, maybe you should be loosening something besides your corset"!!!! I did like seeing her squirm under William's questioning but what happened to those destruction of property charges? We do get some valuable insight into why she has become an activist and it is based in personal anger that she has converted into a fight against repression. It supports my opinion that she is also a man-hater. Yep, the writers are going there with Lemily. We'll see how this plays out but if Snacky's scenario of viewership plays out then it's a really good thing. I liked this ep too. I never try to figure out whodunnit, sometimes it's obvious but this was quite the convoluted plot and I just let it play out. William's idea of doing something fun cracked me up but he did get to spend the evening with two beautiful women.... Did you catch the exasperated look that Emily gave him when Julia was trying to get the tape measure in place. That's the first time we've seen Emily give William any type of look that would be exchanged between people that were friends. Perhaps we're seeing a new respect for George, he's always on the ball when it comes to finding information and does take the initiative at times. I hope we see more of this growing respect. I wasn't that bothered about the B plot, made Brax (yes I did say Brax! ) look like a like a little kid. At least the boys managed to work it out on their own. You all know what I think of LM, one of the reasons is the way she disses Julia. This is the second time she's called out Julia on her own turf, first in her office now in her own home. If it were me she'd have found herself on the floor by now, broken wrist or not! I was wondering if she didn't aquiesce to her parents wishes because of her leanings.... |
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Post by carco on Jan 27, 2015 16:49:07 GMT
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Post by Hodge on Jan 27, 2015 16:55:49 GMT
Haha, good point. They made everyone come back the next morning in their wedding duds? But Julia's dress would have obviously been ripped up pretty bad so that can't be the solution either.
OMG! I just figured it out! Tie is to William as corset is to Julia. We've been talking so long about how the tie serves as a leash on William, we missed where the corset does the same on Julia. When both are removed, unholyness occurs! Unspeakable unholyness... It's a miracle they haven't been kicked out of their hotel yet. On their wedding night, William discovered that he had a serious predilection for corsets. He was supposed to be helping Julia out of the garment, but instead he found he was fascinated and aroused at how the garment ever so gently controlled her body while concealing it from the view of others. He couldn't help but take his time and examine the corset completely- examining the foundation piece with his hands-ever so slowly driving his bride mad with desire-noting how her breath hitched as he pulled on and tightened the laces. He liked how the corset was removed only in the privacy of the home and how it was the epitome of propriety; William believed in propriety. At least in public, that is. In the closed doors of their suite, William enjoyed nothing more than being anything and everything but proper. He liked it best when he could remove his suit and particularly his tie, and in turn, undress Julia-at his leisure, of course, while taking time to enjoy her heaving bosom and watching her come undone as he made her mad with desire. Umm, yeah, I think I just scared myself. Oh my!!!! This is why I like your stories so much....  |
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That said, I've now decided that Lemily should get married. If William and Julia's marriage is an example, then marriage will put the kabosh on our having to endure any kissing or other intimate scenes between them. 
