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Post by Hodge on Feb 17, 2015 2:57:57 GMT
Did someone actually say "gay agenda"? LOL!  Yeah, if they think MM belongs on the Disney Channel, they haven't been watching that closely.  Yes someone did actually X( The thing with MM and people thinking it's a family show is that there's a stealth to the edginess. It's not in every ep and it's always tastefully done to the point it can go right over people's heads if they aren't looking for it. We know it's edgy so we're tuned in to it when we see it. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 17, 2015 2:59:38 GMT
Oooh that's going to be interesting. I'm not sure how men handled such things circa 1902. This certainly gives Brackenreid some blackmail power over her as well. Perhaps that's why he chooses to do nothing. This gives him a way of keeping her in line. My guess is men in 1902 handled such things by choosing to ignore them until they couldn't or needed to use the information as leverage to achieve some other goal. Brax said he "doesn't want to know" and that he "wants to see her remain as coroner". It was also Charlie giving him the information so there are a lot of conflicting emotions and loyalties going on with Brax even though he put the fellow on a slow boat to Auckland. I'm very proud of the Inspector with this one. My feeling is this is the 'real' Brackenreid. He chooses the 'right path' even when it's difficult. He and William are quite alike, they just use very different methods to arrive at the same answer. Well, he's known Grace for a while and he trusts her. She's part of the "brotherhood". It's the same as Hodge protecting Giles. |
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Post by lovemondays on Feb 17, 2015 3:01:42 GMT
Yes someone did actually X( The thing with MM and people thinking it's a family show is that there's a stealth to the edginess. It's not in every ep and it's always tastefully done to the point it can go right over people's heads if they aren't looking for it. We know it's edgy so we're tuned in to it when we see it. Very true. Imagine if this was the first episode of MM you ever saw...my new crusade about perceptions of this show. What would be your overriding perception?? |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 17, 2015 3:01:56 GMT
Oooh that's going to be interesting. I'm not sure how men handled such things circa 1902. This certainly gives Brackenreid some blackmail power over her as well. Perhaps that's why he chooses to do nothing. This gives him a way of keeping her in line. I don't think he'd do that based on what happened in the ep. And even if he did for some reason try to threaten her, it wouldn't work. She would just resign and disappear. She doesn't like being told what she can and can't do, even by her boss, even by the law. Why when Brackenreid tries to give advice does he always end up going off the deep end?? I don't think he was threatening, he didn't get the reaction he was hoping for and, just like with Julia, went on the defensive by blustering. |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 17, 2015 3:04:25 GMT
The thing with MM and people thinking it's a family show is that there's a stealth to the edginess. It's not in every ep and it's always tastefully done to the point it can go right over people's heads if they aren't looking for it. We know it's edgy so we're tuned in to it when we see it. Very true. Imagine if this was the first episode of MM you ever saw...my new crusade about perceptions of this show. What would be your overriding perception?? I'd be very intrigued by it and want to watch more....  |
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Post by snacky on Feb 17, 2015 3:05:29 GMT
The thing with MM and people thinking it's a family show is that there's a stealth to the edginess. It's not in every ep and it's always tastefully done to the point it can go right over people's heads if they aren't looking for it. We know it's edgy so we're tuned in to it when we see it. Exactly! But we also do see something horrifying on occasion. One image that sticks with me is William imagining himself with woman bleeding out from her pennyroyal oil-inflicted abortion. That gave a good impression of why William might be conflicted on the subject with no exposition needed. Question: Was MM a "family show" when the naked people from the nudist colony were wandering about? I was blown away that MM did that. I can't imagine an American show doing that, though we might go a lot more with violence, gore, and torture pronz. If MM can show people butt-naked, I don't think it's breaking any new ground with women kissing. |
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Post by lovemondays on Feb 17, 2015 3:05:43 GMT
More later but let's just say Dr Grace is getting more action than Julia......  Do you think the outrage will be against the sapphism or against Lillian because people were building up some Lillian-hate over her attitude toward the "sell-out" Julia and general cliche "man-hating"? For once I didn't have a hate-on for Lillian. Perhaps it is because she and Emily were working together undercover and Emily was in the lead. I am very proud of MM for that last scene and CBC for not forcing it to be edited out. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 17, 2015 3:06:53 GMT
The thing with MM and people thinking it's a family show is that there's a stealth to the edginess. It's not in every ep and it's always tastefully done to the point it can go right over people's heads if they aren't looking for it. We know it's edgy so we're tuned in to it when we see it. Very true. Imagine if this was the first episode of MM you ever saw...my new crusade about perceptions of this show. What would be your overriding perception?? I haven't seen it yet, but I'm going to keep your question in mind and compare it to Murdoch Au Natural. |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 17, 2015 3:07:22 GMT
Do you think the outrage will be against the sapphism or against Lillian because people were building up some Lillian-hate over her attitude toward the "sell-out" Julia and general cliche "man-hating"? For once I didn't have a hate-on for Lillian. Perhaps it is because she and Emily were working together undercover and Emily was in the lead. I am very proud of MM for that last scene and CBC for not forcing it to be edited out. Not sure what kind of end this ep could have had if they'd insisted on it being taken out. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 17, 2015 3:08:47 GMT
Do you think the outrage will be against the sapphism or against Lillian because people were building up some Lillian-hate over her attitude toward the "sell-out" Julia and general cliche "man-hating"? For once I didn't have a hate-on for Lillian. Perhaps it is because she and Emily were working together undercover and Emily was in the lead. I am very proud of MM for that last scene and CBC for not forcing it to be edited out. Perhaps we can think of Emily as a good influence on Lillian? If Lillian were perfectly good, she would be boring! Think of her as a diamond in the rough who needed someone to contend with the rough parts... |
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Post by snacky on Feb 17, 2015 3:14:40 GMT
Yeah, I've seen quite a few people throwing around The Gay Agenda™. I'm genuinely curious as to what this agenda entails. Are there secret handshakes? Are there snack breaks? If only the bigots were more clear in their wisdom. As far as I know the only Gay Agenda™ is to insist on said sexual proclivity's existence and demand an end to any related discrimination, which hardly threatens people who don't partake in said proclivities. Sounds like Julia needs to come around with some heroin shots to calm people down. |
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Post by lovemondays on Feb 17, 2015 3:20:06 GMT
For once I didn't have a hate-on for Lillian. Perhaps it is because she and Emily were working together undercover and Emily was in the lead. I am very proud of MM for that last scene and CBC for not forcing it to be edited out. Perhaps we can think of Emily as a good influence on Lillian? If Lillian were perfectly good, she would be boring! Think of her as a diamond in the rough who needed someone to contend with the rough parts... I can work with that. My issue with Lillian until now has been her unreasonable aggression and condescension towards people she doesn't know. That was absent in this episode. In the end she was almost on the defensive..."I am not a toy". I like people who know their minds. I just hate when some feel the need to stomp on others in pursuit of their agenda. |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 17, 2015 3:24:13 GMT
Perhaps we can think of Emily as a good influence on Lillian? If Lillian were perfectly good, she would be boring! Think of her as a diamond in the rough who needed someone to contend with the rough parts... I can work with that. My issue with Lillian until now has been her unreasonable aggression and condescension towards people she doesn't know. That was absent in this episode. In the end she was almost on the defensive..."I am not a toy". I like people who know their minds. I just hate when some feel the need to stomp on others in pursuit of their agenda. This is exactly why she rubbed me the wrong way. I couldn't stand her attitude towards people when she didn't know them and her only reason for her opinion was because they were married. Totally unreasonable. Tonight she was quite tolerable and dare I say it, I actually liked her. We'll see about the future though!! |
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Post by lizmc on Feb 17, 2015 3:32:45 GMT
I don't think he'd do that based on what happened in the ep. And even if he did for some reason try to threaten her, it wouldn't work. She would just resign and disappear. She doesn't like being told what she can and can't do, even by her boss, even by the law. Why when Brackenreid tries to give advice does he always end up going off the deep end?? I don't think he was threatening, he didn't get the reaction he was hoping for and, just like with Julia, went on the defensive by blustering. I think Brackenreid is genuinely fond of Emily and was sincere in saying he wanted her to continue as coroner, and that he had her best interests at heart.....I think he will realise he blew it after the fact and try to make amends....after all, he was reflecting what would be the reaction in society....there wasn't much tolerance of anything resembling an alternate lifestyle, and in some circles, there is isn't.....
I enjoyed the episode.....they have softened Lillian.....I found her much more likable.....I still think she will come to a sticky end, though...
Cheers
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Post by Hodge on Feb 17, 2015 3:37:06 GMT
Why when Brackenreid tries to give advice does he always end up going off the deep end?? I don't think he was threatening, he didn't get the reaction he was hoping for and, just like with Julia, went on the defensive by blustering. I think Brackenreid is genuinely fond of Emily and was sincere in saying he wanted her to continue as coroner, and that he had her best interests at heart.....I think he will realise he blew it after the fact and try to make amends....after all, he was reflecting what would be the reaction in society....there wasn't much tolerance of anything resembling an alternate lifestyle, and in some circles, there is isn't.....
I enjoyed the episode.....they have softened Lillian.....I found her much more likable.....I still think she will come to a sticky end, though...
Cheers
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