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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Nov 15, 2014 17:07:01 GMT
I doubt many even remember that Slugger wasn't an intentional hire.  No he was quite happy at SH5 because he could use 'salty' language. Which doesn't really make sense considering all of Brax's swearing...Do as I say, not as I do? |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 15, 2014 17:08:55 GMT
This is what I don't get. Why do you doubt it? We've been told this season is 10% darker. We've told the writers "pulled the trigger" on the wedding so they can get back to the mysteries. So what is the basis of all this doubt? It might be pointless for the writers to even try to please nonshippers if the least bit of indication of romantic life is enough to signal "shipper apocalypse".  The question is whether they have enough time to get to true mysteries with all the shipper appreciation and fan service they want to do this season. We are already in the 6th ep and that is appreciating another group of fans. We have the CrabtreeMania, the Toronto Girl Problem and I think a couple more. It's not just about Jilliam and the fact that they are married doesn't mean it's over for them. I don't doubt that they will try and return to mysteries but they may not have the time to get to it this season by the time they do all the things they want to do. Hopefully, they will eventually get there. Yes we're into the sixth episode but the first three were mysteries and OTW 1&2 were also darker than some previous episodes. We've had two shipper episodes so far and from the title of the next one it may be fan service but not specifically shipper. |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 15, 2014 17:14:28 GMT
I doubt many even remember that Slugger wasn't an intentional hire. No he was quite happy at SH5 because he could use 'salty' language. I remember the salty language part but not the wife part, lol. |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 15, 2014 17:20:57 GMT
The question is whether they have enough time to get to true mysteries with all the shipper appreciation and fan service they want to do this season. We are already in the 6th ep and that is appreciating another group of fans. We have the CrabtreeMania, the Toronto Girl Problem and I think a couple more. It's not just about Jilliam and the fact that they are married doesn't mean it's over for them. I don't doubt that they will try and return to mysteries but they may not have the time to get to it this season by the time they do all the things they want to do. Hopefully, they will eventually get there. Yes we're into the sixth episode but the first three were mysteries and OTW 1&2 were also darker than some previous episodes. We've had two shipper episodes so far and from the title of the next one it may be fan service but not specifically shipper. The writers definitely have their work cut out for them getting back on the solid mysteries track. It makes me wonder when the titles are available so early whether or not that title arc comes first and the mystery gets fit in. I seem to recall something like that being discussed in The Making Of...Tour de Murdoch. If you look back through the titles list you'll see that in the early seasons the title reflected the murder almost exclusively. |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 15, 2014 17:21:33 GMT
No he was quite happy at SH5 because he could use 'salty' language. I remember the salty language part but not the wife part, lol. I believe he called her 'the missus' and there was a suggestion from Brackenreid that he wasn't up to much with her. Of course that was to get him going so he could put him in the cells. |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 15, 2014 17:30:34 GMT
Yes we're into the sixth episode but the first three were mysteries and OTW 1&2 were also darker than some previous episodes. We've had two shipper episodes so far and from the title of the next one it may be fan service but not specifically shipper. The writers definitely have their work cut out for them getting back on the solid mysteries track. It makes me wonder when the titles are available so early whether or not that title arc comes first and the mystery gets fit in. I seem to recall something like that being discussed in The Making Of...Tour de Murdoch. If you look back through the titles list you'll see that in the early seasons the title reflected the murder almost exclusively. I'm a reluctant shipper, I'm not usually into the relationships in shows but there's something so compelling about the W/J ship. However, now they're married it's time to get back on track. I loved the show from the first episode I saw, the mysteries were compelling and the way William solved them was unique. I didn't know about the relationship until a couple of episodes in. Yes, they kissed but I didn't know all the history so it took a while, and watching the older episodes, to figure it out. I guess what I'm basically saying is I originally watched the show for the mysteries and though I've turned into a shipper I'd like to get back to the balance we had in earlier seasons. |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 15, 2014 17:40:42 GMT
The writers definitely have their work cut out for them getting back on the solid mysteries track. It makes me wonder when the titles are available so early whether or not that title arc comes first and the mystery gets fit in. I seem to recall something like that being discussed in The Making Of...Tour de Murdoch. If you look back through the titles list you'll see that in the early seasons the title reflected the murder almost exclusively. I'm a reluctant shipper, I'm not usually into the relationships in shows but there's something so compelling about the W/J ship. However, now they're married it's time to get back on track. I loved the show from the first episode I saw, the mysteries were compelling and the way William solved them was unique. I didn't know about the relationship until a couple of episodes in. Yes, they kissed but I didn't know all the history so it took a while, and watching the older episodes, to figure it out. I guess what I'm basically saying is I originally watched the show for the mysteries and though I've turned into a shipper I'd like to get back to the balance we had in earlier seasons. I'm clearly an avid shipper but, like you, what drew me to the show was DetectiveGadget!William, the solid mysteries and the tie-ins to true history. I'm working on a super geeky spreadsheet that tracks all kinds of things starting from S1. Did you know that there were 15 inventions and gotchas is S1 alone? I've only just finished S3 with this because I have to pay attention and not have it on as background noise. |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 15, 2014 17:43:33 GMT
I'm a reluctant shipper, I'm not usually into the relationships in shows but there's something so compelling about the W/J ship. However, now they're married it's time to get back on track. I loved the show from the first episode I saw, the mysteries were compelling and the way William solved them was unique. I didn't know about the relationship until a couple of episodes in. Yes, they kissed but I didn't know all the history so it took a while, and watching the older episodes, to figure it out. I guess what I'm basically saying is I originally watched the show for the mysteries and though I've turned into a shipper I'd like to get back to the balance we had in earlier seasons. I'm clearly an avid shipper but, like you, what drew me to the show was DetectiveGadget!William, the solid mysteries and the tie-ins to true history. I'm working on a super geeky spreadsheet that tracks all kinds of things starting from S1. Did you know that there were 15 inventions and gotchas is S1 alone? I've only just finished S3 with this because I have to pay attention and not have it on as background noise. Seems like you're like me, I track things as well though I haven't gone to the extent of making up a spreadsheet yet! |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 15, 2014 17:48:00 GMT
I'm clearly an avid shipper but, like you, what drew me to the show was DetectiveGadget!William, the solid mysteries and the tie-ins to true history. I'm working on a super geeky spreadsheet that tracks all kinds of things starting from S1. Did you know that there were 15 inventions and gotchas is S1 alone? I've only just finished S3 with this because I have to pay attention and not have it on as background noise. Seems like you're like me, I track things as well though I haven't gone to the extent of making up a spreadsheet yet! It evolved from the factoids MM was putting out during the 100th ep. It's also helping me track filming locations. I've been scouring google street views and info on historic properties in loads of places. I finally found Judge Wilson's house from TGM! |
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Post by snacky on Nov 15, 2014 18:25:10 GMT
I totally agree with this. I'm totally ready for the return of alpha!Brax, alpha!George, and of course alpha!William. Oh, and of course, mysteries.  You left out Alpha!Julia! Something bugged me about seeing Julia all smiley after and pleased and turned on by alpha!William in the last few episodes. I hope the show doesn't forget that Julia is a Woman of Action. I want to see William extremely pleased that she is.  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 15, 2014 18:28:18 GMT
It's not that I'm pro-Edna specifically, I'm going to like any woman that makes George grow up, and George is a man around Edna! I think Emily and George would make great friends, but not lovers. I'd rather not see Emily shipped this season at all either (was it LoveMondays?). Let's just develop her character. Same - I think my Gedna impulse is mainly anti-Gemily and the fact I like that George mans up around her. *starts to feel like broken record* Something else we could see this season: George randomly veer in the direction of a number of women, and ultimately get none. That's a good stall, and in the end we get a yet more pat-on-the-head-worthy George... |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Nov 15, 2014 18:32:54 GMT
I totally agree with this. I'm totally ready for the return of alpha!Brax, alpha!George, and of course alpha!William. Oh, and of course, mysteries. You left out Alpha!Julia! Something bugged me about seeing Julia all smiley after and pleased and turned on by alpha!William in the last few episodes. I hope the show doesn't forget that Julia is a Woman of Action. I want to see William extremely pleased that she is. Of course we're hoping to see more action!Julia-that's a given. As much as I'm intrigued by the suffragette arc, I hope Julia doesn't become the little wifey who stirs up trouble for William, I want to see them working together too as well as take out people with punches to the throat. I didn't mention alpha!Julia because I don't have a kink for Alpha!Julia. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 15, 2014 18:43:30 GMT
Completely agree. I enjoy the mysteries, but I don't spend hours discussing them because they are for the part, resolved at the end of each episode. There may be a nitpick issue or two, but other than that, that's it. I do spend hours discussing 'ships and other character traits because they're not so easily or neatly packaged, and there's much to infer and speculate upon. I enjoy speculation and inferring.  I think it's necessary that the show has a bit of romance, humor, drama, mystery-but in balance. Even though I'm a shipper, the last two episodes have not been in balance, but those arcs are done now, and hopefully, the show will (and I believe it will) restore the balance. MM is a better show when all aspects are in balance. This is true - and I guess I have to feel sorry for this in that we tend to talk the most about the mysteries when we have a nitpick. Though we might say something like "wow, that was a brilliant ep!" with a wave of "me, too!". Perhaps its the case that they've done their best job when there is least comment? I will not when a story is so well done its epic in terms of character motivation and mystery unfolding (decorated with costumes and mcguffins). I'm not inherently a mystery or a cop show watcher because I find those genres boring when they are formulaic and set in the present. But I watched L.A. Confidential something like 10 times in the theater because I was so AWED - and awe is the only word for it - by the carefully wrought clockwork mechanics of that plot that I felt driven to work it all out for myself. I tried to map it out on a notepad. I bought a copy of the script when it came out. Not because I was a fan of the period, the genre, or even liked the particular characters - in that case I was a fan of the writers!!! So I think it is noticeable when the writers execute a really complicated plot well. It might belong on the big screen (and they probably deserve to be paid more) when they do. I would like to see it attempted more on MM, but that's the script that starts to be written long before the season starts, hopefully doesn't turn into a movie along the way, and isn't ready for filming until late in the season. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 15, 2014 18:47:04 GMT
But if you don't have 'characters' solving the mystery what's the point in watching? There are enough shows out there where the supposed characters are so uninteresting it's not worth the bother. They may as well wear bags over their heads and talk in monotone if they're not going to have some interesting quirks etc. Surely it's not just about the mystery but also the way the interesting characters solve the mystery. Yep-did Brax' toothache ever solve a mystery? No, but it was an insight into the man and is one of the things I love about the show-it makes me more interested in the characters, so that when they are solving mysteries, I'm that much more invested. Brackenreid definitely had more "piss and vinegar" S1...maybe he needs to get addicted to the "gold cure" again, lol! Disappointed there was no Vin Mariani on the honeymoon btw! |
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Post by snacky on Nov 15, 2014 19:06:30 GMT
I doubt many even remember that Slugger wasn't an intentional hire. No he was quite happy at SH5 because he could use 'salty' language. That's also hard to imagine since he's such a teddybear now, lol.  |
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