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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 3:39:53 GMT
Another edgy topic: euthanasia in The Death of Dr. Ogden.
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Nov 17, 2014 3:41:39 GMT
Another edgy topic: euthanasia in The Death of Dr. Ogden. Oooh yes! That really is one-good catch! |
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Post by snacky on Nov 17, 2014 4:10:18 GMT
Another edgy topic: euthanasia in The Death of Dr. Ogden. And autopsying your own father...  |
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Nov 17, 2014 4:15:32 GMT
Another edgy topic: euthanasia in The Death of Dr. Ogden. And autopsying your own father... Doh! Now I feel like an idiot. We missed so much in that episode. I blame a certain scene |
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Post by snacky on Nov 17, 2014 4:22:51 GMT
And autopsying your own father... Doh! Now I feel like an idiot. We missed so much in that episode. I blame a certain sceneYou're okay unless you watched the YouTube hour long loop of that scene, and put that on repeat.  |
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Nov 24, 2014 0:24:43 GMT
Just finished watching "Snakes and Ladders". BAMFy Julia stabbing the murderer with a pair of sissors, was pretty edgy.
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Post by snacky on Nov 24, 2014 0:31:35 GMT
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Post by snacky on Nov 27, 2014 18:15:27 GMT
What Lies Buried - one of the edgiest MM episodes in the classic, understated Murdoch Mysteries way.
The homophobia of the congenial brotherhood of the constabulary is subtly explored.
The most upright, law-abiding, incorruptible leader of the constabulary - Chief Inspector Giles - is outed as a homosexual - with career-ending, and possible jail-time ramifications.
Other issues of interest:
- constables shaking down the "telegraph boys" for "tax" money
- language used to foreclose discussion of/confession of homosexuality among "brotherhoods"
- betraying a "brother" if he's gay
- loyalty to a "brother" and looking the other way if he's gay
- how the need to "cover" creates secrets, which in turn creates the ultimate clash of conscience between loyalty and truth
The thought of the rigid Chief Inspector Giles as a delicate romantic abandoning himself to love - that was edgy in itself. And I total bought that as played by Nigel Bennett.
And then there's a whole other edgy element to this episode: William once again throws a friend under the bus in the name of getting to the truth.
Way back in season 3 William was a lot more whiny about having to be an Internal Affairs officer, and having to suffer the ramifications of his "family" not really appreciating being investigated by him. Well what he did in this episode hit a lot closer to home. If he threw a "brother" from another Station House (who deserved it) under the bus in The Great Wall, he threw his grandpa (who didn't deserve it quite so much) under the bus in this episode. One has to wonder if there will be ramifications.
#havesomeofthatwithyourteaandcrumpets
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Post by Hodge on Nov 28, 2014 16:41:18 GMT
And then there's a whole other edgy element to this episode: William once again throws a friend under the bus in the name of getting to the truth. Way back in season 3 William was a lot more whiny about having to be an Internal Affairs officer, and having to suffer the ramifications of his "family" not really appreciating being investigated by him. Well what he did in this episode hit a lot closer to home. If he threw a "brother" from another Station House (who deserved it) under the bus in The Great Wall, he threw his grandpa (who didn't deserve it quite so much) under the bus in this episode. One has to wonder if there will be ramifications. #havesomeofthatwithyourteaandcrumpets William didn't go into this with the intention of throwing anyone under the bus and he was quite prepared to hand it off to CC Giles. Possibly because of what happened last time he'd investigated his own. Of course Giles couldn't investigate even if he hadn't been involved so William, the only person at SH4 that could was burdened once again. I think Giles wanted this kept in house as it were, didn't want another SH involved. Actually given William's secret I think he wanted him involved, perhaps he thought he could use that as leverage if William figured it out, instead William turned that around and used it against Giles ... who then proceeded to tell a lie. Giles should have known that he couldn't get away with it, that William would have known it was too easy. The look on Giles face when he realized that William knew about Dodger was heartbreaking, he gave it away when he thought he was being clever. I loved this episode, I can't get enough of it especially the interrogation scene, it was absolutely masterful acting particularly on Nigel Bennett's part, I've always been an admirer of his skills. I find myself drawn to watching him throughout the scene even if I'm trying to study Yannick. This was quite a turn about for one of Nigel's characters, they're usually more like the Giles we know, though I have seen him do comedy as well. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 28, 2014 19:10:10 GMT
William didn't go into this with the intention of throwing anyone under the bus and he was quite prepared to hand it off to CC Giles. Possibly because of what happened last time he'd investigated his own. Of course Giles couldn't investigate even if he hadn't been involved so William, the only person at SH4 that could was burdened once again. I think Giles wanted this kept in house as it were, didn't want another SH involved. Actually given William's secret I think he wanted him involved, perhaps he thought he could use that as leverage if William figured it out, instead William turned that around and used it against Giles ... who then proceeded to tell a lie. Giles should have known that he couldn't get away with it, that William would have known it was too easy. The look on Giles face when he realized that William knew about Dodger was heartbreaking, he gave it away when he thought he was being clever. I loved this episode, I can't get enough of it especially the interrogation scene, it was absolutely masterful acting particularly on Nigel Bennett's part, I've always been an admirer of his skills. I find myself drawn to watching him throughout the scene even if I'm trying to study Yannick. I think Giles wanted to use William's secret as leverage, too, and it totally threw him off balance when William didn't bite. I also think Giles threw William the Dodger clue too easily: I think he had already given up in spirit once he saw that William had reconciled himself to his lie in a way that Giles had not. I know this episode was traumatizing for you as well, so it's terrific you can still watch it and appreciate what a great episode this was. The one scene where Giles softens up for a minute and remembers the last time he was in love - really believable. Nigel Bennett pulls off "19th century Byronic poet" as well as he pulls off the by-the-book Man of the Law. |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 28, 2014 19:27:26 GMT
I think Giles wanted to use William's secret as leverage, too, and it totally threw him off balance when William didn't bite. I also think Giles threw William the Dodger clue too easily: I think he had already given up in spirit once he saw that William had reconciled himself to his lie in a way that Giles had not. I know this episode was traumatizing for you as well, so it's terrific you can still watch it and appreciate what a great episode this was. The one scene where Giles softens up for a minute and remembers the last time he was in love - really believable. Nigel Bennett pulls off "19th century Byronic poet" as well as he pulls off the by-the-book Man of the Law. Giles threw William the Dodger clue not knowing he'd be able to figure it out. He didn't know Stockton had called Hodge Dodger so Giles wouldn't realize William would know who he was alluding to. I felt even more sorry for him in that moment when he realized he'd just implicated Hodge. Once again brilliant acting on Nigel's part. Can I say it one more time?? I LOVED this episode!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by snacky on Nov 28, 2014 19:36:22 GMT
Giles threw William the Dodger clue not knowing he'd be able to figure it out. He didn't know Stockton had called Hodge Dodger so Giles wouldn't realize William would know who he was alluding to. I felt even more sorry for him in that moment when he realized he'd just implicated Hodge. Once again brilliant acting on Nigel's part. Can I say it one more time?? I LOVED this episode!!!!!!!!!! I'm feeling kind of sorry for the MM writing team at the minute, lol. They've been putting a lot of effort into romance and wit this season, and now it's like: "Wait, even the shippers really wanted those tight mystery plots? Julia wasn't even in this one! WTH, dudes!" But I think everyone, even the most die-hard shipper, does love MM best when there's a well-plotted mystery with terrific acting - and all the quirks we like about the show are there to support that central mission. Now if we could have the same thing *without* Julia totally missing... |
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Post by bookworm1225 on Dec 1, 2014 19:40:41 GMT
How about the mixed-race child in 'Murdoch in Ragtime?'
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Dec 1, 2014 19:57:02 GMT
Or the father molesting his own daughter in Child's Play. I have trouble watching that episode for that reason.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Dec 1, 2014 19:58:24 GMT
Another edgy topic: euthanasia in The Death of Dr. Ogden. Still an edgy topic to this day. Also, I just wanted to say that I LOVE your new avatar! Did you make it yourself? |
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Jan 30, 2013 21:44:55 GMT
Jan 30, 2013 21:44:55 GMT