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Post by Fallenbelle on Feb 10, 2015 17:04:07 GMT
I'll admit that I didn't really notice the distance between William and Julia until last night's episode- and still, upon rewatch, I can't decide whether it's intentional, an acting issue, or the writers not knowing what to do with married!w&j :/ If it's intenional, it hardly seems a logical way of generating angst- they've barely been married five minutes, and already William's bored? I understand that they might want to tie his restlessness into the Eva arc, but I'm not super happy about it. I'm not super happy about it either, but if the show's that worried about married W/J, well it is a way of creating angst/strife between those two. I also remember the comment from William asking Julia to come home, and how she said since when did William always come home early? Granted, it's not been super clear, but I kind of suspect that William has been working less-evidenced by Brax' comment to William about avoiding Mrs. Murdoch...it was unusual for him to be at the station so late. I wonder if this is going to be a source of strife? William wants to be modern, but he also wants some of the traditional wife at home...not so much for domestic duties, but one who makes him a priority? To be honest, it would make sense... |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 10, 2015 17:34:35 GMT
After reading everyone's opinions so far I realized I hadn't actually said anything other than it was intense. So here's my take on it.
It was intense as I originally said but tension isn't everything. I loved all the returning characters and as soon as I saw Eva Pearce was back, at the end of last weeks ep, I knew she was behind it. She was the only sane one in there and more than capable of manipulating the situation. Whilst it's mainly men that fall for her connivances I can see how insane women wouldn't know they were being manipulated. It was pretty obvious from the start that the only man that had regular contact with her would also be manipulated, just wasn't sure how at the beginning. That didn't spoil it for me and in fact it was a fleeting thought and I went along with the plot and forgot about it. I have to add that I liked the fact William didn't fall for Eva's attempt to manipulate him this time, seems Julia did though.
The plot holes have been discussed so won't go into them but it doesn't surprise me when William didn't take a gun. Once again we're thinking in modern terms where cops carry guns all the time. He probably didn't even think he needed a gun, he was going to an asylum, not a prison and whilst they were 'incurables' they didn't have any 'so-called' weapons in the ward.
Jilliam, or the lack thereof ... what can I say. You wouldn't have known they were married most of the time in fact it looked like they were just professionals working together, not MARRIED to EACH OTHER professionals. They do still work well together though. Loved Julia's comment when William asked when he could expect her home, that was I think the only concession to the fact that they were married. Liked the way he put his arm around her when they saw the kids but thought the whole scene was totally unnecessary, fan service, and once again they got it WRONG. It's almost like different people that have never seen MM before have taken over the Jilliam script. And what's with William not even giving Julia a peck on the cheek never mind a hug and a kiss when he got home. It's like he was discussing the case with the Inspector.
That's my take on the characters, the set and lighting were great as we've come to expect from the MM team but otherwise this ep left me wanting.
Once again I think they're playing with us with Jilliam and it's not working for me. I understand they're trying to create UST but this isn't doing it, there's no S in the T, I'm getting angry not frustrated.
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Post by lizmc on Feb 10, 2015 17:53:36 GMT
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Post by Hodge on Feb 10, 2015 18:00:58 GMT
Oh dear sounds like a lot of Lillian next week....  |
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Post by snacky on Feb 10, 2015 18:22:57 GMT
I thought the bit with the children might be going there instead of just symbolism that Julia might be having them soon. Perhaps that scene was more literal: Julia was watching them and speculating on whether she actually wanted children as her next step - knowing full well that this is what William wants. William put his arm around Julia when they saw the kids... Regarding the weapons, I'm going with the argument that William IS an army of one, and Julia just didn't need him by the time he got there. He's so uber-powerful he wasn't even worried about Eva. Pfft. In all William's reactions when Julia has been in a fight, it seems like he's used to getting the brush off or an argument or spiky reaction that she can handle things - so now he hesitates even to offer. At this point he's just doing a sound check - and if Julia says she's all right, he leaves it alone. |
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Feb 10, 2015 18:26:02 GMT
Alright I've still got four pages of conversation to go through so if this is repetative then sorry!
Of course it had to be a dark and stormy night-just to add to the tension/creepyness.
Running list of cameos
-Rose (Le Ax Murderer)
-Creepy old lady from Murdoch on the Corner
-Charlotte/Maddy/Girlie from Me Myself and Murdoch
-Miz Pearce
Enter the sluthing power couple Detective William Murdoch and Dr. Julia Ogden!
OH SHUT IT Miz Pearce.
No offense or anything but that Doctor was pretty useless.
"An ax weilding maniac vows revenge on you and me for that matter and you don't think it necessary [to transfer her somewhere else]"
Emily Grace saying it like it is since 1903.
BED SCENE BED SCENE FANGIRL MODE OVERLOADING
SHUT IT MIZ PEARCE GET YOUR PAWS OFF GEORGE
Those kids looked like little William & Julia. HEADCANNON CREATED.
OH MY GOD THE HANGING FROM THE FENCE
During the whole BAMPF!Julia sequence I kept on thinking of a line from Rascal Flatts "Stand" "You ge mad, you get strong, then you stand"
Right now I'm considering calling Eva Pearce Miss Gillies.
I like the idea of Julia spearheading the background check thing and hospital/asyum reforms. This was an era when that sort of thing did happen.
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Feb 10, 2015 18:31:36 GMT
Like why does Murdoch always insist on charging into dangerous situations without any backup (gun or constable)? For a smart person, he can be very dumb. Or are we supposed to assume his fear overrode his big brain? Cuz like, if he had brought someone else with him, or even handcuffs, Eva wouldn't have escaped... When one has magic homburg hat one doesn't need other things. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 10, 2015 18:35:40 GMT
I'm with you that I'm not thrilled with bored!William already, but I wonder if this is the direction the show is going in... it's a crappy way of emotional angst...but it is angst nonetheless. Yeah, I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of insecure!Julia, and I think Brax' comment about already avoiding Mrs. Murdoch adds fuel to that fire I hope I'm wrong, but that's a feeling I have.  I don't think William is bored or that the writers would go there, but I'll lay money on Insecure!Julia - especially if the Inspector and other people make comments that might feed her paranoia. I suspect that's what's being set up with William not being able to protect her like he probably thinks he should. Julia will go further and further out on limbs without William's support, and then look back to see him escorting pretty ladies across muddy streets. I don't think this is necessarily a bad way to go, considering the nature of Eva's evil. Let's see how it's handled. I'd rather see Insecure!Julia than a genuinely tempted William, which I wouldn't buy for a second. The writers WOULD try to keep us in suspense about whether William was being tempted or not, though. |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 10, 2015 18:42:04 GMT
I'm with you that I'm not thrilled with bored!William already, but I wonder if this is the direction the show is going in... it's a crappy way of emotional angst...but it is angst nonetheless. Yeah, I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of insecure!Julia, and I think Brax' comment about already avoiding Mrs. Murdoch adds fuel to that fire I hope I'm wrong, but that's a feeling I have. I don't think William is bored or that the writers would go there, but I'll lay money on Insecure!Julia - especially if the Inspector and other people make comments that might feed her paranoia. I suspect that's what's being set up with William not being able to protect her like he probably thinks he should. Julia will go further and further out on limbs without William's support, and then look back to see him escorting pretty ladies across muddy streets. I don't think this is necessarily a bad way to go, considering the nature of Eva's evil. Let's see how it's handled. I'd rather see Insecure!Julia than a genuinely tempted William, which I wouldn't buy for a second. The writers WOULD try to keep us in suspense about whether William was being tempted or not, though. I don't think William would be tempted by Eva Pearce though. Once he knows his 'attractive, intelligent ladies' are murderers he wises up pretty quickly. He's now had two run ins with Eva and the second time he wasn't taken in nor this time. I can see Eva considering William a challenge and setting her sights on him. Watch out Julia! I also suspect if Eva can't have him she'll try to kill him or rather manipulate someone else to do it for her. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 10, 2015 18:47:33 GMT
Glad there was finally a Julia-centric episode too! What I am hoping for is a twist something like eva threatens Julia's life. While Julia would object to constant police protection, William would feel the need to keep an eye on her & will start bringing her back more into his investigations. I miss seeing them work together solving cases. To me, this season, they have marginalized her. I understand Helene was injured, but even taking that into account, there seem to be more scenes with Julia & Emily or Julia & Brackenreed than Julia & William. Did anyone see the interview with the whole cast discussing season 8? I noticed the body language of the actors. Helene seems to be sitting in her chair as far away from Yannick as she possible could. Maybe the actors aren't feeling the chemistry? Ooh are you from France? Someone from France made that same remark about Yannick and Helene. It's always seemed to me that they are very different people who probably do clash (I can also imagine a rerun of the compensation issues Gillian Anderson had on The X-Files, which seem harder for female actors to handle without friction - men seem to get more entitlement in this area) - but at the same time they are both professionals who have repeatedly delivered on screen despite any real world stuff they have going on. I'm hoping any distance we see on screen is planned by the writers and the actors, and it's part of an emotional storyline. Interesting point about the asylum incident being a turning point where William would want to keep a closer eye on Julia - or Julia, without admitting her fears, would seek William's protection. Or at least leave the asylum. It would be nice if that were planned!
Julia's private forensic's lab - woot! |
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Post by snacky on Feb 10, 2015 18:48:46 GMT
She's got other things on her mind right now. You are both totally correct, but thank you for making me laugh till tears ran!  Yay, there you are!  For a minute, I thought the House of Eternal Return got you!  |
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Post by snacky on Feb 10, 2015 19:24:25 GMT
2) when Cedric said that Rose was his adopted sister. From Ft13th, weren't they natural siblings and it was the adopted 'crazy' boy who was framed, by Rose, for the murder of their parents? 3)Remember how William told Julia about his disrobing her fantasy in Murdoch in Ladies Wear? That neatly set up Julia to be vulnerable/she-cat towards Eva. 7) The final scene opens the door for Julia to become an activist for mental health reform: vetting employees, humane treatment of "incurables" etc. I would really like that path for Julia. Good point about Cedric! I think Rose raised him from when he was very young. Perhaps she told him the adoption story? Perhaps they all were adopted? A lot of lies going on there. Now he will probably be in the asylum, too! Re: Eva - I wonder how many other stories she has told Julia while she's been at the asylum! She may have been priming Insecure!Julia for months! Ooh - Mental Health Reform!!! Wasn't that one of Nellie Bly's causes? Great catch!!! Indeed it was: mentalfloss.com/article/29734/ten-days-madhouse-woman-who-got-herself-committed |
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Post by snacky on Feb 10, 2015 19:32:34 GMT
I love how kickass Julia is, she can save herself when she needs to. That was a good episode, shame there wasn't more Emily though. I loved having Julia and William working together on a case again, there hasn't been enough of that this season. I felt so sorry for Charlotte, she shouldn't have been in there. Eva is as evil as ever and I'm sure we'll be seeing her again. And Rose is as psychotic as ever, the relationship with her sort of brother is creepy. Drainey was a scumbag and the women didn't deserve what he did, especially Charlotte. THANK YOU for agreeing Charlotte shouldn't have been there. I want to know what her alter did to get her put down there. If this episode was supposed to be an incident that gets Julia to reconsider her asylum career, the one shame will be that there won't be any more episodes using that set. That set was terrific. A cross between a dungeon and a submarine! |
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Post by lovemondays on Feb 10, 2015 19:51:16 GMT
I love how kickass Julia is, she can save herself when she needs to. That was a good episode, shame there wasn't more Emily though. I loved having Julia and William working together on a case again, there hasn't been enough of that this season. I felt so sorry for Charlotte, she shouldn't have been in there. Eva is as evil as ever and I'm sure we'll be seeing her again. And Rose is as psychotic as ever, the relationship with her sort of brother is creepy. Drainey was a scumbag and the women didn't deserve what he did, especially Charlotte. THANK YOU for agreeing Charlotte shouldn't have been there. I want to know what her alter did to get her put down there. If this episode was supposed to be an incident that gets Julia to reconsider her asylum career, the one shame will be that there won't be any more episodes using that set. That set was terrific. A cross between a dungeon and a submarine! I completely agree that Charlotte shouldn't be in that wing but it was necessary for the plot. I actually loved how the writers gave us a quick review of how we knew each of the inmates. That set was great. I kept feeling like they had re-used a lot of the pieces from the cargo hold in Murdoch Ahoy. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 10, 2015 19:51:25 GMT
Are you talking about the discussion after the 100th episode? If so, Helene's body position was more about sitting in the center of a group 10 people strung out in a line. The chemistry of the whole group is phenomenal. You were actually there, so you should know! I remember you spoke to Christine Jennings after. Did you speak to any of the actors? |
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