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Post by Hodge on Feb 10, 2015 8:49:17 GMT
She's got other things on her mind right now. Hope she's okay and comes back soon.  Hope so too.  |
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Post by snacky on Feb 10, 2015 9:17:49 GMT
Yay, saw it tonight. My thoughts... 1) William could have had a gun or handcuffs with him - he just wasn't going to bother with Eva Pearce at the moment. And once he arrived on the scene in the incurable's ward, he had the orderly with him, and Julia already had things under control. I think he regarded Eva as not even worthy of drawing a gun on, and he figured she would be picked up by constables at some point. He underestimated her. Anyway, I think if William had stopped to arrest Eva, we'd be grouching about his failure to run to Julia. So I had no problem with that scene as written. 2) I was bothered by the incurable's ward - especially that Charlotte was there. None of her personalities was a murderer. Julia was privileged to have inherited that unusual case from Dr. Roberts. And Charlotte was forced to live in a dungeon? Why? Even if Julia worked in another part of the building, she was obviously aware of that place and had talked to patients there. You would think she'd consider that these confines might play a role in their madness. 3) I think Eva may have hit a nerve about Julia's jealousy/insecurity. Julia was certainly unprofessional in the way she snapped and vowed Eva would stay in the ward forever. Guard dressing as nurse (shades of Dressed to Kill)...seems like an unnecessary added layer of complication stuffed in at the last minute. Was this because a patient complaining about sexual abuse from a male guard might be listened to where as complaints about a female nurse might be blown off? (In the same way some people weren't sure sapphism was real or what it was at the time...) 4) I understood William and Julia maintaining a proper Victorian distance while they were dating, but shouldn't there be a little more freedom to express their emotions (besides laughing at fart jokes) now that they're married? Maybe it's just me, but I thought William was a lot more desperate in Murdoch in Toyland than he was in either TDWW or this episode. Maybe Julia has reason to believe the thrill is gone, lol!  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Feb 10, 2015 9:31:09 GMT
Yay, saw it tonight. My thoughts... 1) William could have had a gun or handcuffs with him - he just wasn't going to bother with Eva Pearce at the moment. And once he arrived on the scene in the incurable's ward, he had the orderly with him, and Julia already had things under control. I think he regarded Eva as not even worthy of drawing a gun on, and he figured she would be picked up by constables at some point. He underestimated her. Anyway, I think if William had stopped to arrest Eva, we'd be grouching about his failure to run to Julia. So I had no problem with that scene as written. 2) I was bothered by the incurable's ward - especially that Charlotte was there. None of her personalities was a murderer. Julia was privileged to have inherited that unusual case from Dr. Roberts. And Charlotte was forced to live in a dungeon? Why? Even if Julia worked in another part of the building, she was obviously aware of that place and had talked to patients there. You would think she'd consider that these confines might play a role in their madness. 3) I think Eva may have hit a nerve about Julia's jealousy/insecurity. Julia was certainly unprofessional in the way she snapped and vowed Eva would stay in the ward forever. Guard dressing as nurse (shades of Dressed to Kill)...seems like an unnecessary added layer of complication stuffed in at the last minute. Was this because a patient complaining about sexual abuse from a male guard might be listened to where as complaints about a female nurse might be blown off? (In the same way some people weren't sure sapphism was real or what it was at the time...) 4) I understood William and Julia maintaining a proper Victorian distance while they were dating, but shouldn't there be a little more freedom to express their emotions (besides laughing at fart jokes) now that they're married? Maybe it's just me, but I thought William was a lot more desperate in Murdoch in Toyland than he was in either TDWW or this episode. Maybe Julia has reason to believe the thrill is gone, lol! Just finished it-def one of the better eps this season. Liked it more than I thought I would. I totally knew Eva was going to use William to get to Julia, and interesting to see that she reacted to it so...-it struck a nerve for sure. Maybe William isn't being as demonstrative as he used to be, and she's worried about it. Im sure more will come to me later, but basically, what everyone said. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 10, 2015 9:54:41 GMT
4) I understood William and Julia maintaining a proper Victorian distance while they were dating, but shouldn't there be a little more freedom to express their emotions (besides laughing at fart jokes) now that they're married? Maybe it's just me, but I thought William was a lot more desperate in Murdoch in Toyland than he was in either TDWW or this episode. Maybe Julia has reason to believe the thrill is gone, lol! Just finished it-def one of the better eps this season. Liked it more than I thought I would. I totally knew Eva was going to use William to get to Julia, and interesting to see that she reacted to it so...-it struck a nerve for sure. Maybe William isn't being as demonstrative as he used to be, and she's worried about it. Im sure more will come to me later, but basically, what everyone said. Having thought about my own #4 for a few minutes, I suppose this has something to do with the preservation of BAMFy Julia who doesn't need to be rescued, or even reassured all that much, by William. Basically the New Woman could do without a man, but they are exchanging free love or something. Works in real life, but needs some fine-tuning as far as dramatic partnerships are concerned. I think this could have been resolved if William had shown a little more physical solicitude in the last scene besides a sharing a couch with Julia. To be crass, I want to get the distinct feeling they had sex hotter than a thousand suns later that night. (and no - vague symbolism of possible twins someday dangled earlier in the show does not count.) I do wonder whether William's reserve in these instances are deliberate and are leading up to some other Julia "insecurity bomb" down the road... Totally not interested in seeing a William "marriage is routine" bomb, though. Especially when they haven't even reached their first anniversary and are living a perma-honeymoon in a hotel, for god's sake!  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Feb 10, 2015 9:55:17 GMT
Yay, saw it tonight. My thoughts... 1) William could have had a gun or handcuffs with him - he just wasn't going to bother with Eva Pearce at the moment. And once he arrived on the scene in the incurable's ward, he had the orderly with him, and Julia already had things under control. I think he regarded Eva as not even worthy of drawing a gun on, and he figured she would be picked up by constables at some point. He underestimated her. Anyway, I think if William had stopped to arrest Eva, we'd be grouching about his failure to run to Julia. So I had no problem with that scene as written. 2) I was bothered by the incurable's ward - especially that Charlotte was there. None of her personalities was a murderer. Julia was privileged to have inherited that unusual case from Dr. Roberts. And Charlotte was forced to live in a dungeon? Why? Even if Julia worked in another part of the building, she was obviously aware of that place and had talked to patients there. You would think she'd consider that these confines might play a role in their madness. 3) I think Eva may have hit a nerve about Julia's jealousy/insecurity. Julia was certainly unprofessional in the way she snapped and vowed Eva would stay in the ward forever. Guard dressing as nurse (shades of Dressed to Kill)...seems like an unnecessary added layer of complication stuffed in at the last minute. Was this because a patient complaining about sexual abuse from a male guard might be listened to where as complaints about a female nurse might be blown off? (In the same way some people weren't sure sapphism was real or what it was at the time...) 4) I understood William and Julia maintaining a proper Victorian distance while they were dating, but shouldn't there be a little more freedom to express their emotions (besides laughing at fart jokes) now that they're married? Maybe it's just me, but I thought William was a lot more desperate in Murdoch in Toyland than he was in either TDWW or this episode. Maybe Julia has reason to believe the thrill is gone, lol! Maybe marital discord will be a running theme for the rest of this season, because hey, it's a kind of UST. Finally got a shot of them in bed together, but I can't decide whether he was giving her space, or if he wasn't that concerned. There was no reassuring pat or gesture...maybe Julia's insecurity has some basis in reality. But still, nice gesture when they saw the kids and he put his arm around her.  But yeah, when is William going to learn to carry a weapon-not everyone is super nice, have cuffs, and bring backup. Seriously, William...how many times is this going to happen before you realize that you're not an army of one? You're amazing, but no one is that good, sweetie... |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Feb 10, 2015 10:05:41 GMT
Just finished it-def one of the better eps this season. Liked it more than I thought I would. I totally knew Eva was going to use William to get to Julia, and interesting to see that she reacted to it so...-it struck a nerve for sure. Maybe William isn't being as demonstrative as he used to be, and she's worried about it. Im sure more will come to me later, but basically, what everyone said. Having thought about my own #4 for a few minutes, I suppose this has something to do with the preservation of BAMFy Julia who doesn't need to be rescued, or even reassured all that much, by William. Basically the New Woman could do without a man, but they are exchanging free love or something. Works in real life, but needs some fine-tuning as far as dramatic partnerships are concerned. I think this could have been resolved if William had shown a little more physical solicitude in the last scene besides a sharing a couch with Julia. To be crass, I want to get the distinct feeling they had sex hotter than a thousand suns later that night. (and no - vague symbolism of possible twins someday dangled earlier in the show does not count.) I do wonder whether William's reserve in these instances are deliberate and are leading up to some other Julia "insecurity bomb" down the road... Totally not interested in seeing a William "marriage is routine" bomb, though. Especially when they haven't even reached their first anniversary and are living a perma-honeymoon in a hotel, for god's sake! Yeah, it was fine that Julia was able to rescue herself, but yeah, I would think they would have both needed some reassuring after that scare, and yeah, there should have been some hot survivor sex. I don't view wanting emotional support as weak at all, and actually quite human. Maybe Julia does want it, and it's William who isn't giving it for some various reason. I'm with you that I'm not thrilled with bored!William already, but I wonder if this is the direction the show is going in... it's a crappy way of emotional angst...but it is angst nonetheless. Yeah, I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of insecure!Julia, and I think Brax' comment about already avoiding Mrs. Murdoch adds fuel to that fire I hope I'm wrong, but that's a feeling I have. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Feb 10, 2015 11:16:12 GMT
Can I ask why? I liked it overall, but there were a few sour notes for me-namely how detached William seems from Julia. But I also wonder if that's on purpose. |
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Post by mysteryfan on Feb 10, 2015 13:23:03 GMT
Glad there was finally a Julia-centric episode too! What I am hoping for is a twist something like eva threatens Julia's life. While Julia would object to constant police protection, William would feel the need to keep an eye on her & will start bringing her back more into his investigations. I miss seeing them work together solving cases.
To me, this season, they have marginalized her. I understand Helene was injured, but even taking that into account, there seem to be more scenes with Julia & Emily or Julia & Brackenreed than Julia & William.
Did anyone see the interview with the whole cast discussing season 8? I noticed the body language of the actors. Helene seems to be sitting in her chair as far away from Yannick as she possible could. Maybe the actors aren't feeling the chemistry?
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Post by lovemondays on Feb 10, 2015 14:41:08 GMT
She's still hoarding that map project, too! I think these projects became so weighty they developed a center of gravity, collapsed into an event horizon, and sucked her into a black hole... She's got other things on her mind right now. You are both totally correct, but thank you for making me laugh till tears ran!  |
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Post by lovemondays on Feb 10, 2015 15:16:21 GMT
My thoughts about this ep:
1) The MM team did a fantastic job...tight writing, excellent supporting cast, great set and superior lighting. I am not a fan of the whole horror genre but this was well done.
2) It was great having some of my favourite characters return. Charlotte/Maddie/Girlie is one of my all-time favs. I quite like Mrs. Lynde and Rose is absolutely crazy. It did not surprise me at all that Rose and Cedric were involved in a very warped brother/sister relationship. I was very confused though when Cedric said that Rose was his adopted sister. From Ft13th, weren't they natural siblings and it was the adopted 'crazy' boy who was framed, by Rose, for the murder of their parents?
3) Re Eva Pierce. I believe she is a sociopath. A very smart one. I was sure she was the mastermind behind the whole thing but was smart enough to keep her hands immaculately clean. She has laser perception where her effect on men is concerned. She knows William had a level or reluctant attraction to her. Remember how William told Julia about his disrobing her fantasy in Murdoch in Ladies Wear? That neatly set up Julia to be vulnerable/she-cat towards Eva. Besides, both William and Julia knew she had manipulated her trial. I'm glad they did mention how she ended up in the asylum. As far as I know, people declared mentally incompetent would never face the noose, just life in the asylum. The Eva/William kiss had me flashing back to Gillies. That part had me thinking "Gimme a break!" but in terms of Eva's manipulation strategies it made total sense. It also set William up for angsty "I chose Eva over Julia" thinking even though it made sense for him to try stopping her escape. I agree with those of you who are getting fed up with William never having a gun or at least handcuffs with him. There is a part of me that wants Eva Pierce to go the way of Sally Pendrick, just gone, but she really is a good villain...with tons of angst potential for Snacky to chew on!
4) I watched the Making Of for this ep. Helene said they used a stunt double because of her wrist. They did a really good job with switching her out except for one cat fight scene with Eva...Julia's hair stayed in place unbelievably after Rose had dragged her by the hair.
5) Very happy to have such a female driven ep. I am with the majority though who would like to see more balance in each episode rather than a heavy weight to one or the other.
6) George: "Mr. Maxwell, we need to talk." LOL!!! I too liked how gentle George was with Mrs. Lynde and Hannah...taking the doll's fingermarks.
7) The final scene opens the door for Julia to become an activist for mental health reform: vetting employees, humane treatment of "incurables" etc. I would really like that path for Julia.
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Post by lovemondays on Feb 10, 2015 15:21:35 GMT
I'm sure lovemondays already has a list of William's stupid moments and if she doesn't she probably will after this. She's got just about everything else charted!  I doubt that one is in her chart, I think she respects William too much. It never even occurred to me to include William's stupid moments. Besides, they are quite rare and I don't have room for ANOTHER column... |
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Post by murdochic on Feb 10, 2015 15:23:16 GMT
I love how kickass Julia is, she can save herself when she needs to. That was a good episode, shame there wasn't more Emily though. I loved having Julia and William working together on a case again, there hasn't been enough of that this season.
I felt so sorry for Charlotte, she shouldn't have been in there. Eva is as evil as ever and I'm sure we'll be seeing her again. And Rose is as psychotic as ever, the relationship with her sort of brother is creepy. Drainey was a scumbag and the women didn't deserve what he did, especially Charlotte.
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Post by lovemondays on Feb 10, 2015 15:25:26 GMT
Glad there was finally a Julia-centric episode too! What I am hoping for is a twist something like eva threatens Julia's life. While Julia would object to constant police protection, William would feel the need to keep an eye on her & will start bringing her back more into his investigations. I miss seeing them work together solving cases. To me, this season, they have marginalized her. I understand Helene was injured, but even taking that into account, there seem to be more scenes with Julia & Emily or Julia & Brackenreed than Julia & William. Did anyone see the interview with the whole cast discussing season 8? I noticed the body language of the actors. Helene seems to be sitting in her chair as far away from Yannick as she possible could. Maybe the actors aren't feeling the chemistry? Are you talking about the discussion after the 100th episode? If so, Helene's body position was more about sitting in the center of a group 10 people strung out in a line. The chemistry of the whole group is phenomenal. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Feb 10, 2015 15:34:53 GMT
Having thought about my own #4 for a few minutes, I suppose this has something to do with the preservation of BAMFy Julia who doesn't need to be rescued, or even reassured all that much, by William. Basically the New Woman could do without a man, but they are exchanging free love or something. Works in real life, but needs some fine-tuning as far as dramatic partnerships are concerned. I think this could have been resolved if William had shown a little more physical solicitude in the last scene besides a sharing a couch with Julia. To be crass, I want to get the distinct feeling they had sex hotter than a thousand suns later that night. (and no - vague symbolism of possible twins someday dangled earlier in the show does not count.) I do wonder whether William's reserve in these instances are deliberate and are leading up to some other Julia "insecurity bomb" down the road... Totally not interested in seeing a William "marriage is routine" bomb, though. Especially when they haven't even reached their first anniversary and are living a perma-honeymoon in a hotel, for god's sake! Yeah, it was fine that Julia was able to rescue herself, but yeah, I would think they would have both needed some reassuring after that scare, and yeah, there should have been some hot survivor sex. I don't view wanting emotional support as weak at all, and actually quite human. Maybe Julia does want it, and it's William who isn't giving it for some various reason. I'm with you that I'm not thrilled with bored!William already, but I wonder if this is the direction the show is going in... it's a crappy way of emotional angst...but it is angst nonetheless. Yeah, I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of insecure!Julia, and I think Brax' comment about already avoiding Mrs. Murdoch adds fuel to that fire I hope I'm wrong, but that's a feeling I have. Ugh, I hope they don't go with typical domestic strife. They are anything but the typical couple. I mean, are we supposed to believe that after his declaration only 4 episodes ago to always court her, he's suddenly given up? If there is going to be angst (cuz let's face it, there HAS to be) can it please be something inherently Jilliam-like? Like, I dunno, something to do with the suffragette stuff and conflicting interests there? They touched on this but it was resolved really quickly. Now that the actual election is approaching fast and she's associated with a radical like Lilian, the constabulary might be forced to get involved. I'm still wondering if Murdoch could ever arrest Julia if he had to...now that would be something interesting to see! And angst-orama! |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 10, 2015 16:54:41 GMT
I doubt that one is in her chart, I think she respects William too much. It never even occurred to me to include William's stupid moments. Besides, they are quite rare and I don't have room for ANOTHER column... Come on now, Excel has columns almost infinitum that's no excuse! |
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