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Post by Hodge on Feb 24, 2015 18:00:17 GMT
I found several pertinent lines, delivered by Father Keegan in the past, that truly define William's morality, methods and decisions. William said that he "remember(s) every word you said to me" and "they are the words I recall whenever I have a difficult decision to make." The bedrock truths for William are: "The truth is the rock on which we must stand, no matter what the consequences." "Sometimes the greater good must take precedence, even over the law." "The pursuit of truth is absolute." "Do not trust in your heart alone." So William has carried these words as his mantra from childhood. They have defined him as a man and as a detective and they are absolute but it is obvious that they have been on parallel journeys to bend these absolutes because the human condition is one of fallibility. William is disappointed with this in Father Keegan just as anyone who grows up is able to see the imperfections of those they hold in great esteem. I assume that retro Father Keegan would be close to present day William's age. Interesting to see the parallel journey. I found one VERY interesting flashback. When young Will and and Father Keegan were trying to sort out who stabbed the sailor they entertained the possibility that it was the young woman who did it and Will said he didn't think so because "she didn't look like a murderer...she was too beautiful." Shades of William being taken in by the likes of Sally Pendrick and Eva Pierce. Whilst this ep didn't hold me as much as I would have liked I did enjoy the glimpse into what made William what he is. Though if you've read Shipwreck you knew that already. There was one thing that didn't quite ring true for me. William said that he wished Fr. Keegan had told him "Sometimes the greater good must take precedence, even over the law." However in the flashback Fr. Keegan did in fact say that when he took the money for the child. Seems William didn't pick up on that and has been holding "The pursuit of truth is absolute," and "The truth is the rock on which we must stand, no matter what the consequences," as absolutes even when it causes harm. I watched the ep three times last night and each time got a little more out of it. Anyone that doesn't watch it a second time is really missing out. Btw, I knew Fr. Labelle was a woman the first time I saw the chase scene. I realized on the second watching however that the moment I saw her, on the first watching, that she was a woman. However, it didn't quite coalesce into a fully formed thought until the chase scene, in fact I dismissed it the moment it crossed my mind. I originally thought they were going the sexual abuse route up until the chase scene. If that reads wrong I apologize, I'm having difficulty putting it into words. Must be having a senior moment. |
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Post by darrenvox on Feb 24, 2015 18:38:37 GMT
the episode was really good...i liked it and it was an interesting thing about the boat that came to shore...cool episode...cant wait for crabtree mania next monday
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Post by norakles on Feb 24, 2015 21:28:21 GMT
the episode was really good...i liked it and it was an interesting thing about the boat that came to shore...cool episode...cant wait for crabtree mania next monday Sorry to disappoint, but I believe at least the next two weeks will be repeats - High Voltage and The Keystone Constables. |
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Post by lizmc on Feb 24, 2015 21:37:51 GMT
the episode was really good...i liked it and it was an interesting thing about the boat that came to shore...cool episode...cant wait for crabtree mania next monday Unfortunately, Crabtreemania won't be until the 16th of March........
Cheers
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Post by lizmc on Feb 24, 2015 21:44:12 GMT
I found several pertinent lines, delivered by Father Keegan in the past, that truly define William's morality, methods and decisions. William said that he "remember(s) every word you said to me" and "they are the words I recall whenever I have a difficult decision to make." The bedrock truths for William are: "The truth is the rock on which we must stand, no matter what the consequences." "Sometimes the greater good must take precedence, even over the law." "The pursuit of truth is absolute." "Do not trust in your heart alone." So William has carried these words as his mantra from childhood. They have defined him as a man and as a detective and they are absolute but it is obvious that they have been on parallel journeys to bend these absolutes because the human condition is one of fallibility. William is disappointed with this in Father Keegan just as anyone who grows up is able to see the imperfections of those they hold in great esteem. I assume that retro Father Keegan would be close to present day William's age. Interesting to see the parallel journey. I found one VERY interesting flashback. When young Will and and Father Keegan were trying to sort out who stabbed the sailor they entertained the possibility that it was the young woman who did it and Will said he didn't think so because "she didn't look like a murderer...she was too beautiful." Shades of William being taken in by the likes of Sally Pendrick and Eva Pierce. Whilst this ep didn't hold me as much as I would have liked I did enjoy the glimpse into what made William what he is. Though if you've read Shipwreck you knew that already. There was one thing that didn't quite ring true for me. William said that he wished Fr. Keegan had told him "Sometimes the greater good must take precedence, even over the law." However in the flashback Fr. Keegan did in fact say that when he took the money for the child. Seems William didn't pick up on that and has been holding "The pursuit of truth is absolute," and "The truth is the rock on which we must stand, no matter what the consequences," as absolutes even when it causes harm. I watched the ep three times last night and each time got a little more out of it. Anyone that doesn't watch it a second time is really missing out. Btw, I knew Fr. Labelle was a woman the first time I saw the chase scene. I realized on the second watching however that the moment I saw her, on the first watching, that she was a woman. However, it didn't quite coalesce into a fully formed thought until the chase scene, in fact I dismissed it the moment it crossed my mind. I originally thought they were going the sexual abuse route up until the chase scene. If that reads wrong I apologize, I'm having difficulty putting it into words. Must be having a senior moment. The joys of timeshifting.....I watched 4 times......I always watch the Halifax or St John's broadcast because I always miss a bit of the Toronto broadcast as the dog has to go for a walk......Yes, I thought she was a woman with the first viewing of the chase scene......she ran like a girl....and managed to change into a habit to hide in a very convenient group of nuns (herd of nuns? flock of nuns? whatever) very quickly....
Cheers
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Post by snacky on Feb 24, 2015 21:59:39 GMT
but I don't know how else they could have fit it in within 42 minutes. I'm starting to wonder if losing those 6 minutes in the move to CBC is what's hurting some of the depth-they don't have the luxury of depth and detail those additional 6 minutes provided anymore, and is this hurting more than we think... .  Also, I'm not sure we can call the priest transgender-she was a woman trying to do a man's job disguised as a man-I'm not sure that qualifies....insufficient evidence, I believe. Another nod to William being a married man-he's now aware of that time of the month, and is comfortable discussing it with other men. Also, this sets the stage for a pregnancy, which I'm convinced will be coming at the end of the season, or next.  We've had some subtle allusions to Julia's fertility, and now we've had some inclination that William's biological clock is ticking. Like Snacky, I would have loved for this to be a recurring theme for this season-William ready for a family, and Julia wanting to devote more time to her career and her suffragist cause. This would have been some nice angst, and would have put a wedge between them, but as has been stated before, marriage= no romance, in MMland. And apparently, this child is going to be conceived via immaculate conception-because there's no passion in this marriage for it to happen the old fashioned way...  I didn't know MM lost 6 minutes when it moved to CBC! I agree that any subtraction of time would be a hit in depth.  IMHO - too soon for the baby, and I'm going to be irked if there's an immaculate conception in episode 18. If the tension between William and Julia over that issue wasn't exploited this year, they should bump it to next year. And Julia should be exploring medical options instead of relying on a "miracle birth" because that's an opportunity to go into the all the quack medicine and the genuine medical advances of the early 20th century. Given the premises of MM, taking a pass on that in favor of a "miracle" is just assinine. |
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Post by norakles on Feb 24, 2015 22:03:19 GMT
Whilst this ep didn't hold me as much as I would have liked I did enjoy the glimpse into what made William what he is. Though if you've read Shipwreck you knew that already. There was one thing that didn't quite ring true for me. William said that he wished Fr. Keegan had told him "Sometimes the greater good must take precedence, even over the law." However in the flashback Fr. Keegan did in fact say that when he took the money for the child. I was wondering about this as well, because I thought Fr Keegan actually had said that in the flashbacks but I wasn't sure I remembered correctly based on only one viewing. I watched the ep in the morning before going to work so I had the day to mull on this. I then had to rewatch after work to be sure . To me this "truth" is even what William was living by when he let Ava Moon go - he discarded the law to do the right thing. |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 24, 2015 22:15:26 GMT
I didn't know MM lost 6 minutes when it moved to CBC! I agree that any subtraction of time would be a hit in depth. For the first 5 seasons the eps were 45-46 minutes. From season 6 on they're 43-44. I've checked! |
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Post by ziggy on Feb 24, 2015 22:37:48 GMT
Just my thoughts on this ep. I really liked this one. With all the talk about the novella Shipwreck, I didn’t really know what to expect but I am pleased with how it turned out. It was very well written and the points laid out well. I think MJ should write her episodes alone in the future. I enjoyed this one. I figured out the culprit very early on but wasn’t sure the motive. I thought she was having an affair with Father LaBelle and the baby might have been his until it was revealed that Father was a woman. A nod to the issue of females being ordained as Priests in those days. She dressed up as a male in order to do her job but I don’t think she identified as a man. I liked the flashbacks to the events and relationship that shaped Little William to become the man that he is today. How he got scared by the death and chaos around him and how Father Keegan pulled him close and tucked under his arm to get him through (and the kid was terrific). He called William the same name that only close family members did right from childhood. From the body language, William seemed to have a solid bond with Father Keegan that even a long time apart could not erase. He had a natural ease about him that he doesn’t have with his biological father and it was good to see. I found myself wishing Father K was physically around him earlier through his trials and difficult moments with life in general and especially with Julia. One of the things I thought was frustrating about the W/J relationship was the fact that neither of them really had a close family member with them that they respected and listened to. I liked the reference to William’s pursuit of the truth at all cost attitude he has and where it originated from. At least now we can blame Father K who has since gone on to learn a few more lessons about life. William learned with Constance Gardner that justice and the law were not one and the same thing. And I think he learned a lesson this time that doing things for the greater good sometimes needs to take precedence. I was happy to see Julia as a sounding board for William on a case again, something she did so well in the early years. And I smiled when she gave the example of the female doctor (Margaret Bulkley) who changed her ID in order to practice medicine and went on to save so many lives. That helped William put his thoughts together. George and Edna keep looking better each time and the whole slogan development process was a laugh and made me want a slice of that bread too. It wasn’t an epic but overall, it was a good, strong episode that I will be glad to rewatch many times. I really liked it. |
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Post by lizmc on Feb 24, 2015 23:53:28 GMT
One thing I noticed, is it just me or was George's Newfoundland accent more pronounced in this episode? Also, Julia's lost her cast.....glad Helene's arm has healed......
Cheers
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Post by snacky on Feb 25, 2015 0:46:47 GMT
lovemondays - nice catch about William's early susceptibility to beautiful women! This renews my faith that the writers will play the Eva Pierce card well - at least they are thinking about how to use William's flaws against him. IMHO, that approach produces the best stories. 
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Post by snacky on Feb 25, 2015 2:31:04 GMT
Notice that Edna and George were also cute but their kiss didn't have any real passion William's face when asked about children said it's still something he very much wants. This is how I think of Gedna - cute, compatible. I still don't obsess over shipping George, and I worry too much screen time is being used on his love life if it can't be integrated into the mysteries. I'd say the same abou Emillian. I hope the writers explore thectesions between William and Julia over when to start a family rather than just dropping a "miracle baby" on us. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 25, 2015 2:51:19 GMT
While I think of Labelle as more of a Yentl or Pope Joan than someone who is truly trans (a priest is celibate so she could regard herself as angalically pure rather than gender-identified), I think this story fits into a remarkable "theme year" for MM. There have been very few lgbt offerings in MM. One might even wonder if the "family show" aspect was a tad homophobic. Despite Julia's appeal for tolerance, the "period color" has included a lot of anti-gay slurs. Then this year MM broke out with chief constables in the closet, coronets getting it on on-screen, and priests defying gender expectations. It seems like someone got new marching orders, or at least new permissions. And I like it!
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Post by lizmc on Feb 25, 2015 3:48:20 GMT
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Post by snacky on Feb 25, 2015 4:45:14 GMT
Some background on Dr. James Barry Well Inspector B should take all these "shensnigans" in stride - there's a ton of cross-dressing in Shakespeare! |
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We've had some subtle allusions to Julia's fertility, and now we've had some inclination that William's biological clock is ticking. Like Snacky, I would have loved for this to be a recurring theme for this season-William ready for a family, and Julia wanting to devote more time to her career and her suffragist cause. This would have been some nice angst, and would have put a wedge between them, but as has been stated before, marriage= no romance, in MMland. 
