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Post by carco on Feb 27, 2015 23:47:10 GMT
You guys can all root against Lillian if you want, but I will be clapping for her and going: "I do believe in fairies...I do, I do, I do..." ( Wait, was that politically incorrect?)  Um, yeah!  But it's Lillian...so I don't care. I think we can find a kinder, nicer girl for Emily. Preferably one that doesn't want to claw Julia's eyes out.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 1, 2015 0:03:55 GMT
You guys can all root against Lillian if you want, but I will be clapping for her and going: "I do believe in fairies...I do, I do, I do..." ( Wait, was that politically incorrect?) Um, yeah! But it's Lillian...so I don't care. I think we can find a kinder, nicer girl for Emily. Preferably one that doesn't want to claw Julia's eyes out. Hell, I suppose she can keep Lillian so long as I don't have to see or hear her. Allude to the relationship all you want, just don't waste precious show time on her. |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 1, 2015 0:24:45 GMT
Um, yeah! But it's Lillian...so I don't care. I think we can find a kinder, nicer girl for Emily. Preferably one that doesn't want to claw Julia's eyes out. Hell, I suppose she can keep Lillian so long as I don't have to see or hear her. Allude to the relationship all you want, just don't waste precious show time on her. Totally agree with this. The time spent on Emillian (is that really what we're calling them now?) would be better spent on Jilliam!! |
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Post by lizmc on Mar 1, 2015 1:38:19 GMT
I still suspect we are going to see the demise of Lillian.....remember Georgina saying something reduced her to tears during filming this year and she didn't specify what it was.......
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Post by Hodge on Mar 1, 2015 3:28:33 GMT
I still suspect we are going to see the demise of Lillian.....remember Georgina saying something reduced her to tears during filming this year and she didn't specify what it was....... Cheers I think it was earlier on in the season and I'm guessing it was What Lies Buried. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 1, 2015 5:19:59 GMT
Hell, I suppose she can keep Lillian so long as I don't have to see or hear her. Allude to the relationship all you want, just don't waste precious show time on her. Totally agree with this. The time spent on Emillian (is that really what we're calling them now?) would be better spent on Jilliam!! I agree. And for the record, I prefer "Lemily"-the term that is, and not the ship. My fave ships are: Jilliam, Brax and Mrs. B., and thirdly, Gedna. Anything with Lillian is last. Anyone watch MFMF? I want Emily with someone like Dr. Mac-that would be an awesome lesbian couple! |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 1, 2015 5:42:06 GMT
Totally agree with this. The time spent on Emillian (is that really what we're calling them now?) would be better spent on Jilliam!! I agree. And for the record, I prefer "Lemily"-the term that is, and not the ship. My fave ships are: Jilliam, Brax and Mrs. B., and thirdly, Gedna. Anything with Lillian is last. Anyone watch MFMF? I want Emily with someone like Dr. Mac-that would be an awesome lesbian couple! I prefer Lemily too, I'd rather not have to coin any pairing name with Lillian though. Sorry snacky, I'd rather just see her gone! |
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Post by snacky on Mar 1, 2015 7:15:26 GMT
Hell, I suppose she can keep Lillian so long as I don't have to see or hear her. Allude to the relationship all you want, just don't waste precious show time on her. Totally agree with this. The time spent on Emillian (is that really what we're calling them now?) would be better spent on Jilliam!! I agree that side-story character development has been sapping energy from MM - and that includes Gedna as well. ALL character development should be tied into the mysteries as much as possible. That said, I still feel Lillian is misunderstood. The main issue seems to be her rudeness. There is a politics around that. Mainly, people who are at the "long suffering" end of the political scale often get told that they won't get listened to or won't get what they want unless they are polite. But when they are polite, they don't get listened to and don't get what they want either because they are considered unimportant. When racial politics get involved, matters of courtesy get even more complicated, because too much deference can be felt as a continuation of a master/slave relationship. Anyway, the "radical" is one who is convinced that courtesy gets you nowhere and just reinforces the status quo that is hurting you in the first place. Lillian is obviously a radical. I've already posted how her ideas may derive from Gilman and how that shapes her perceptions of Julia. Therefore, I see Lillian as a type of "character", just as I see Brackenreid as a type of "character". If Brackenreid says something sexist or rude to Julia or Emily, I explain it away as part of his character. I'm able to do the same with Lillian. I think a "tamer" character wouldn't be as interesting. |
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Post by snacky on Mar 1, 2015 7:19:19 GMT
I still suspect we are going to see the demise of Lillian.....remember Georgina saying something reduced her to tears during filming this year and she didn't specify what it was....... Cheers That reading occurred much earlier in the season. I would bet it was What Lies Buried and the confession of Hodge. |
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Post by snacky on Mar 1, 2015 7:25:09 GMT
Anyone watch MFMF? I want Emily with someone like Dr. Mac-that would be an awesome lesbian couple! What's MFMF? Nothing came up when I Googled it! I guess Lillian just requires someone with the right kind of experiences to appreciate her character, hahahaha.  |
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Post by snacky on Mar 1, 2015 7:42:38 GMT
I prefer Lemily too, I'd rather not have to coin any pairing name with Lillian though. Sorry snacky, I'd rather just see her gone! Lemily sounds weird to me - to each their own I guess. And this is a forum where everyone is bringing their own opinion. I think it's pretty much established at this point that I'm the only one firmly in Lillian's corner. *waves pirate flag of Team Lillian* I don't mind being the lone hold out if no one else minds me trying to persuade them of my position. This does make me wonder about how my "lens" differs from everyone elses. I'm single. I'm from a more socially radical area of the county - an area that's particularly volatile right now. While it's in my distant past, I've probably been more immersed in the intellectual/cultural history of the period. There are elements of Lillian's character I can personally identify with. Hopefully I'm not that rude, though.  I promise I haven't thrown any bricks lately, either. Anyway, I do think my glasses are different, and all I can do is share how I see. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 1, 2015 10:25:40 GMT
Anyone watch MFMF? I want Emily with someone like Dr. Mac-that would be an awesome lesbian couple! What's MFMF? Nothing came up when I Googled it! I guess Lillian just requires someone with the right kind of experiences to appreciate her character, hahahaha. Sorry-typo! MFMM Mac is Phryne's lady doctor friend who wears men's suits, drinks scotch (and i think smokes cigars as well) and is also a lesbian. Quite frankly, I want to see more Mac on MFMM-she's one of my fave characters after Phryne. I think a character like Mac would make an excellent girlfriend for Emily. She's older, social justice minded, and is still radical, but still knows when to back off lest she piss off the wrong people and instead tries a different point of attack. She's not at all grating like Lillian. www.abc.net.au/tv/phrynefisher/characters/dr_mac.htm (Character Bio) www.afterellen.com/tv/203169-your-new-favorite-fictional-lesbian-doctor-is-on-miss-fishers-murder-mysteries |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 1, 2015 10:41:06 GMT
I prefer Lemily too, I'd rather not have to coin any pairing name with Lillian though. Sorry snacky, I'd rather just see her gone! Lemily sounds weird to me - to each their own I guess. And this is a forum where everyone is bringing their own opinion. I think it's pretty much established at this point that I'm the only one firmly in Lillian's corner. *waves pirate flag of Team Lillian* I don't mind being the lone hold out if no one else minds me trying to persuade them of my position. This does make me wonder about how my "lens" differs from everyone elses. I'm single. I'm from a more socially radical area of the county - an area that's particularly volatile right now. While it's in my distant past, I've probably been more immersed in the intellectual/cultural history of the period. There are elements of Lillian's character I can personally identify with. Hopefully I'm not that rude, though. I promise I haven't thrown any bricks lately, either. Anyway, I do think my glasses are different, and all I can do is share how I see. While I agree that you bring up points of what Lillian's character could be, in my (and maybe other's opinion's as well perhaps) this is not what has been done with her on screen. The writers have not written her that way, and/or the actress playing her is just not of a sufficient caliber to make the character likeable. As she currently is, she's not that interesting or even enjoyable to watch. Things can be done differently and if they keep her next season, maybe this is a route the show can take. However, as I've stated earlier, I'd rather see someone like Mac from MFMM-she's a troublemaker and convention flouter, but also a compassionate person who fights for just social causes. Mac is multi-faceted, Lillian is not. Lillian is not likeable nor is she interesting, she's just annoying and taking screen time away from people I'm more interested in. In contrast, I want to see more Mac on MFMM, I think they need to use her character more often.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 1, 2015 12:54:26 GMT
Totally agree with this. The time spent on Emillian (is that really what we're calling them now?) would be better spent on Jilliam!! I agree that side-story character development has been sapping energy from MM - and that includes Gedna as well. ALL character development should be tied into the mysteries as much as possible. I think this is part of the problem. Jilliam worked so beautifully for years because it used to be integrated into the cases. The flirting occurred while they were working together-this has been notably absent this season, and I think we've all noticed it. What little there has been of Julia has been mostly as Mrs. Murdoch, or in the suffragist sphere-a completely unrelated plot. I hate to say that I'm disappointed in the suffragist plot, but I am, because it's really been a stand alone story as opposed to being integrated into the show. It was briefly in High Voltage when Julia's candidacy was causing William problems, but they resolved that issue, and it's been separate ever since. It was never woven back into the main sphere-which should always be the cases/station house. I'm sorry to say that it's been harming the show this season, and instead of making it a season long arc, it should have been an arc for a couple of episodes, and then resolved. And I hate to say that-I really do, but...  |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 1, 2015 16:57:19 GMT
Totally agree with this. The time spent on Emillian (is that really what we're calling them now?) would be better spent on Jilliam!! I agree that side-story character development has been sapping energy from MM - and that includes Gedna as well. ALL character development should be tied into the mysteries as much as possible. That said, I still feel Lillian is misunderstood. The main issue seems to be her rudeness. There is a politics around that. Mainly, people who are at the "long suffering" end of the political scale often get told that they won't get listened to or won't get what they want unless they are polite. But when they are polite, they don't get listened to and don't get what they want either because they are considered unimportant. When racial politics get involved, matters of courtesy get even more complicated, because too much deference can be felt as a continuation of a master/slave relationship. Anyway, the "radical" is one who is convinced that courtesy gets you nowhere and just reinforces the status quo that is hurting you in the first place. Lillian is obviously a radical. I've already posted how her ideas may derive from Gilman and how that shapes her perceptions of Julia. Therefore, I see Lillian as a type of "character", just as I see Brackenreid as a type of "character". If Brackenreid says something sexist or rude to Julia or Emily, I explain it away as part of his character. I'm able to do the same with Lillian. I think a "tamer" character wouldn't be as interesting. I don't think Lillian is misunderstood, other than reading things into the character that haven't even been suggested on screen. What we've been presented with is a rude, selfish, opinionated woman that cares nothing for anyone other than herself ... and now apparently Emily. This character hasn't been given the depth that you're reading into her and after reading one of your later posts I see where you're getting that background from. However to people that don't have your knowledge of the suffragettes of the period and what they went though she just comes off as a completely unlikeable person. To be honest even knowing the difficulties she still comes off as a completely unlikeable person. |
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But it's Lillian...so I don't care. 
I promise I haven't thrown any bricks lately, either. 
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