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Post by Hodge on Mar 1, 2015 16:58:55 GMT
Lemily sounds weird to me - to each their own I guess. And this is a forum where everyone is bringing their own opinion. I think it's pretty much established at this point that I'm the only one firmly in Lillian's corner. *waves pirate flag of Team Lillian*  I don't mind being the lone hold out if no one else minds me trying to persuade them of my position.  This does make me wonder about how my "lens" differs from everyone elses. I'm single. I'm from a more socially radical area of the county - an area that's particularly volatile right now. While it's in my distant past, I've probably been more immersed in the intellectual/cultural history of the period. There are elements of Lillian's character I can personally identify with. Hopefully I'm not that rude, though.  I promise I haven't thrown any bricks lately, either. Anyway, I do think my glasses are different, and all I can do is share how I see. I think most Canadians are of a more liberal bent that most Americans however we still see Lillian for what she is. Perhaps that's why we don't like her, she's not NICE enough! |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 1, 2015 17:17:09 GMT
I agree that side-story character development has been sapping energy from MM - and that includes Gedna as well. ALL character development should be tied into the mysteries as much as possible. I think this is part of the problem. Jilliam worked so beautifully for years because it used to be integrated into the cases. The flirting occurred while they were working together-this has been notably absent this season, and I think we've all noticed it. What little there has been of Julia has been mostly as Mrs. Murdoch, or in the suffragist sphere-a completely unrelated plot. I hate to say that I'm disappointed in the suffragist plot, but I am, because it's really been a stand alone story as opposed to being integrated into the show. It was briefly in High Voltage when Julia's candidacy was causing William problems, but they resolved that issue, and it's been separate ever since. It was never woven back into the main sphere-which should always be the cases/station house. I'm sorry to say that it's been harming the show this season, and instead of making it a season long arc, it should have been an arc for a couple of episodes, and then resolved. And I hate to say that-I really do, but...  I'm wondering if TPTB are deliberately making more of the secondary and side characters or if this was just a miscalculation on their part. Whatever the reason MM has suffered this season. It's lost it's 'magical balance' as one gentleman so eloquently put it on fb. They really need to get that back in for next season or viewship will start to go down. Whilst it may still attract new viewers it will lose a lot of the older ones that aren't as dedicated to the show as the more rabid ones that will watch no matter what. I agree Fallenbelle. I was looking forward to the suffragette arc, I thought it was going to showcase the strong women but it's fallen flat. Even if we didn't already know the outcome of their efforts I wouldn't care what happens now. This plot could easily have been integrated into the mysteries, perhaps a murder related to the suffragette movement.... |
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Post by snacky on Mar 1, 2015 20:44:16 GMT
While I agree that you bring up points of what Lillian's character could be, in my (and maybe other's opinion's as well perhaps) this is not what has been done with her on screen. The writers have not written her that way, and/or the actress playing her is just not of a sufficient caliber to make the character likeable. As she currently is, she's not that interesting or even enjoyable to watch. Things can be done differently and if they keep her next season, maybe this is a route the show can take. However, as I've stated earlier, I'd rather see someone like Mac from MFMM-she's a troublemaker and convention flouter, but also a compassionate person who fights for just social causes. Mac is multi-faceted, Lillian is not. Lillian is not likeable nor is she interesting, she's just annoying and taking screen time away from people I'm more interested in. In contrast, I want to see more Mac on MFMM, I think they need to use her character more often.  I agree with this, but I also think it would take away from "mystery" screen time to do that - and I wouldn't want to take away from that mystery screen time. I want to keep Jilliam central as well. I do think if the writers show more of the "justice" side of Lillian and perhaps more compassion - which I do think they intended, but didn't quite get onscreen - people would think about her differently. |
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Post by snacky on Mar 1, 2015 20:46:09 GMT
I think this is part of the problem. Jilliam worked so beautifully for years because it used to be integrated into the cases. The flirting occurred while they were working together-this has been notably absent this season, and I think we've all noticed it. What little there has been of Julia has been mostly as Mrs. Murdoch, or in the suffragist sphere-a completely unrelated plot. I hate to say that I'm disappointed in the suffragist plot, but I am, because it's really been a stand alone story as opposed to being integrated into the show. It was briefly in High Voltage when Julia's candidacy was causing William problems, but they resolved that issue, and it's been separate ever since. It was never woven back into the main sphere-which should always be the cases/station house. I'm sorry to say that it's been harming the show this season, and instead of making it a season long arc, it should have been an arc for a couple of episodes, and then resolved. And I hate to say that-I really do, but... Well said, and that's exactly how I feel. And I feel guilty for it, too, since I also wanted the suffrage angle. Poorly integrated. |
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Post by snacky on Mar 1, 2015 20:48:46 GMT
I think most Canadians are of a more liberal bent that most Americans however we still see Lillian for what she is. Perhaps that's why we don't like her, she's not NICE enough! ROFLMAO!!!! Well, if the writers can inject Lillian with a little more "nice" while staying inside the mystery plot, then maybe people will warm up to her a little. I'm still giving her a shot. *waves pirate flag of Emillian* |
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Post by snacky on Mar 1, 2015 20:58:12 GMT
I'm wondering if TPTB are deliberately making more of the secondary and side characters or if this was just a miscalculation on their part. Whatever the reason MM has suffered this season. It's lost it's 'magical balance' as one gentleman so eloquently put it on fb. They really need to get that back in for next season or viewship will start to go down. Whilst it may still attract new viewers it will lose a lot of the older ones that aren't as dedicated to the show as the more rabid ones that will watch no matter what. I agree Fallenbelle. I was looking forward to the suffragette arc, I thought it was going to showcase the strong women but it's fallen flat. Even if we didn't already know the outcome of their efforts I wouldn't care what happens now. This plot could easily have been integrated into the mysteries, perhaps a murder related to the suffragette movement.... While people quote large audience numbers, I worry that this could be momentum from previous seasons. People will continue to watch their favorite shows even after they go downhill. A lot of people will watch a show just because it seems popular, but they won't stick for long if the actual show is meandering. While the writers go off and do their own research/write their own episodes, I think there needs to be tighter long term planning. As much as they didn't want a show with arcs, MM does have some now, and you can't just hang the episodes on them like Chrismas ornaments. They are a lot more interesting when they bubble up in unexpected ways in the course of dialogue. It would really piss me off if writers/showrunners started pointing fingers and blaming this on how "old" the show is and how it's out of ideas. Thats not the problem at all. It's lack of investment in planning. Also, keeping the actors for the entire season would be a nifty idea as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 2:04:18 GMT
Totally agree with this. The time spent on Emillian (is that really what we're calling them now?) would be better spent on Jilliam!! I agree. And for the record, I prefer "Lemily"-the term that is, and not the ship. My fave ships are: Jilliam, Brax and Mrs. B., and thirdly, Gedna. Anything with Lillian is last. Anyone watch MFMF? I want Emily with someone like Dr. Mac-that would be an awesome lesbian couple! MFMF? |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 2, 2015 2:06:26 GMT
I agree. And for the record, I prefer "Lemily"-the term that is, and not the ship. My fave ships are: Jilliam, Brax and Mrs. B., and thirdly, Gedna. Anything with Lillian is last. Anyone watch MFMF? I want Emily with someone like Dr. Mac-that would be an awesome lesbian couple! MFMF? What Fallenbelle means if MFMM, Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 12:14:20 GMT
What Fallenbelle means if MFMM, Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries. Thanks! |
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Post by lizmc on Mar 9, 2015 23:01:07 GMT
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Post by snacky on Mar 10, 2015 1:17:01 GMT
Interesting! Perhaps he will be there to soft sell William's excommunication to make his disillusionment complete. Wahahahahaha..... |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 10, 2015 1:42:30 GMT
I liked Fr. Keegan. I wouldn't mind him coming back. |
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I don't mind being the lone hold out if no one else minds me trying to persuade them of my position. 
I promise I haven't thrown any bricks lately, either. 
