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Post by snacky on Feb 14, 2015 19:40:34 GMT
Have there only been 2? (Ettie is the other one?) Wait...what?? Ettie in the movies was played by Flora Montgomery and Krista Bridges in the series. The character crossed over but not the actress. The same is true for Murdoch, Ogden, Brackenreid, Crabtree. I was referring to how both Helene Joy and Peter Outerbridge have played in both the movies AND the series but as different characters. Oh, I haven't seen the movies - I always thought that was the same actress! Now it's even weirder that they felt they had to "resolve" this relationship in TGM when they used a different actress.  |
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Post by snacky on Feb 14, 2015 19:45:09 GMT
Oh my goodness, that is weird. It's like a game of dimensional twister.  I'm again reminded of the movie Dark City and how the House of Eternal Return keeps popping up all over Toronto. Maybe the next web series is George's science fiction tale of aliens re-arranging people and places...  One of these days I'm going to give the dirt on your House of Eternal Return. We've only seen it 3 times but it was the same picture angle exactly. The real ones are Scottish Rite and Whitehearn in Hamilton and Cruickston Park in Cambridge. They have been used SO many times but filmed in such cunning ways that you don't really notice it's the same place episode after episode. Says the super geeky spreadsheet  ! Are you sure it's only been 3 times? It feels like more! I've been trying to remember to keep my eye out when I watch reruns on weekends. It's so distinctive that it really pops out when I do see it. The fact that is a house of spooky Freemasonry makes it an even better setting for a new book by George on supernatural aliens warping the very topography of Toronto! And body-swapping, too! Nitpicking fans deserve an explanation! |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 14, 2015 19:57:08 GMT
I am again confused about the order or episodes. According to Wikki, 814 is "Toronto's Girl Problem", supported by the trailer from last night. 815 is "Crabtree Mania" and 818 is "The Artful Detective". That leaves 816 for Shipwreck because I know for certain that 817 is "Election Day" per Peter Mitchell. It really does feel like TPTB are flying by the seat of their pants this season. Shipwreck was originally E814 as per the clapper. This season seems to have been rearranged to the point we have no idea which ep was supposed to come next. I think the only thing we can be sure of are the two last eps but it looks like Toronto's Girl Problem is 14 and Shipwreck in now 15 that leaves Crabtreemania as 16. |
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Post by lovemondays on Feb 14, 2015 20:02:23 GMT
VERY fitting. Going back to reread Shipwreck! I just spent a lovely hour rereading Shipwreck. I've been sitting in a sunbeam looking out on a perfect but VERY cold winter day. I am very interested to see how much the writers reference the book. Per CBC the connection is William's childhood priest and mentor. In the book he is Father Keegan and he encourages 12 year old William to use his powers of observation and deduction to figure out why a young, very pregnant woman is travelling on a small shipping vessel with her older, merchant husband and how said husband ended up being stabbed before the ship was wrecked on the rocks. It will have to be done as flashbacks but I am curious to see which details are kept the same and which ones are changed....endless possibilities for discussion!! The beginning threw me a bit because it is written from the perspective of William's great grandson Bill Murdoch who's wife's name was Julie. I first thought "huh?" but quickly moved to "duh!". Maureen's William Murdoch (born in 1861) married Amy, not Julia and all bets are off as to the names of his successors and their spouses. The story touches on William's mother (still alive and living with Harry), his shame about the abuse in his home, and his desire to please (both mom and priest). I am certain we will get more of an explanation of why William's religious beliefs and his work are so linked together. I can't wait to see this episode and I fear it will be another one with a marginalized Julia even though it is an excellent opportunity for W/J to draw closer together. |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 14, 2015 20:08:34 GMT
VERY fitting. Going back to reread Shipwreck! I just spent a lovely hour rereading Shipwreck. I've been sitting in a sunbeam looking out on a perfect but VERY cold winter day. I am very interested to see how much the writers reference the book. Per CBC the connection is William's childhood priest and mentor. In the book he is Father Keegan and he encourages 12 year old William to use his powers of observation and deduction to figure out why a young, very pregnant woman is travelling on a small shipping vessel with her older, merchant husband and how said husband ended up being stabbed before the ship was wrecked on the rocks. It will have to be done as flashbacks but I am curious to see which details are kept the same and which ones are changed....endless possibilities for discussion!! The beginning threw me a bit because it is written from the perspective of William's great grandson Bill Murdoch who's wife's name was Julie. I first thought "huh?" but quickly moved to "duh!". Maureen's William Murdoch (born in 1861) married Amy, not Julia and all bets are off as to the names of his successors and their spouses. The story touches on William's mother (still alive and living with Harry), his shame about the abuse in his home, and his desire to please (both mom and priest). I am certain we will get more of an explanation of why William's religious beliefs and his work are so linked together. I can't wait to see this episode and I fear it will be another one with a marginalized Julia even though it is an excellent opportunity for W/J to draw closer together. It will be very interesting to see how much of the original story is kept. Maureen Jennings wrote this ep, I wonder how much she's willing to butcher the story for the show. |
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Post by lovemondays on Feb 14, 2015 20:16:32 GMT
One of these days I'm going to give the dirt on your House of Eternal Return. We've only seen it 3 times but it was the same picture angle exactly. The real ones are Scottish Rite and Whitehearn in Hamilton and Cruickston Park in Cambridge. They have been used SO many times but filmed in such cunning ways that you don't really notice it's the same place episode after episode. Says the super geeky spreadsheet ! Are you sure it's only been 3 times? It feels like more! I've been trying to remember to keep my eye out when I watch reruns on weekends. It's so distinctive that it really pops out when I do see it. The fact that is a house of spooky Freemasonry makes it an even better setting for a new book by George on supernatural aliens warping the very topography of Toronto! And body-swapping, too! Nitpicking fans deserve an explanation! The House of Eternal Return has been seen as the Cutler home in "The Knockout", the Jenkins home in "Downstairs, Upstairs" and as the Garland house in "Stroll on the Wild Side P2". C'est tout!! I like you ideas for George's new book though  . |
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Post by lovemondays on Feb 14, 2015 20:17:18 GMT
I just spent a lovely hour rereading Shipwreck. I've been sitting in a sunbeam looking out on a perfect but VERY cold winter day. I am very interested to see how much the writers reference the book. Per CBC the connection is William's childhood priest and mentor. In the book he is Father Keegan and he encourages 12 year old William to use his powers of observation and deduction to figure out why a young, very pregnant woman is travelling on a small shipping vessel with her older, merchant husband and how said husband ended up being stabbed before the ship was wrecked on the rocks. It will have to be done as flashbacks but I am curious to see which details are kept the same and which ones are changed....endless possibilities for discussion!! The beginning threw me a bit because it is written from the perspective of William's great grandson Bill Murdoch who's wife's name was Julie. I first thought "huh?" but quickly moved to "duh!". Maureen's William Murdoch (born in 1861) married Amy, not Julia and all bets are off as to the names of his successors and their spouses. The story touches on William's mother (still alive and living with Harry), his shame about the abuse in his home, and his desire to please (both mom and priest). I am certain we will get more of an explanation of why William's religious beliefs and his work are so linked together. I can't wait to see this episode and I fear it will be another one with a marginalized Julia even though it is an excellent opportunity for W/J to draw closer together. It will be very interesting to see how much of the original story is kept. Maureen Jennings wrote this ep, I wonder how much she's willing to butcher the story for the show. I didn't realize Maureen wrote this episode too. Even better!!! |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 14, 2015 20:24:52 GMT
It will be very interesting to see how much of the original story is kept. Maureen Jennings wrote this ep, I wonder how much she's willing to butcher the story for the show. I didn't realize Maureen wrote this episode too. Even better!!! Actually I haven't enjoyed the eps that Maureen has written (with PM) as much as the others. Not sure if she collaborated with him on this one. |
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Post by lovemondays on Feb 14, 2015 20:41:36 GMT
I didn't realize Maureen wrote this episode too. Even better!!! Actually I haven't enjoyed the eps that Maureen has written (with PM) as much as the others. Not sure if she collaborated with him on this one. I will admit to not caring for "Stairway to Heaven" very much. Maybe the issue is she writes 'her' William in place of the 'series' William. |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 14, 2015 21:12:50 GMT
Actually I haven't enjoyed the eps that Maureen has written (with PM) as much as the others. Not sure if she collaborated with him on this one. I will admit to not caring for "Stairway to Heaven" very much. Maybe the issue is she writes 'her' William in place of the 'series' William. She also co-wrote Murdochophobia and Victoria Cross which is one of my least favourite eps, definitely her bleak Victorian Toronto. Not sure if she writes her William or not as she's always co-written with PM, presumably he writes the script with her input. |
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Post by lovemondays on Feb 14, 2015 21:21:11 GMT
I will admit to not caring for "Stairway to Heaven" very much. Maybe the issue is she writes 'her' William in place of the 'series' William. She also co-wrote Murdochophobia and Victoria Cross which is one of my least favourite eps, definitely her bleak Victorian Toronto. Not sure if she writes her William or not as she's always co-written with PM, presumably he writes the script with her input. It just occurred to me that maybe I'm setting myself up for this to be an episode about William that just happens to have a murder to be solved instead of the other way around. I am going to remain optimistic because the show is well written the vast majority of the time. |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 14, 2015 21:29:20 GMT
She also co-wrote Murdochophobia and Victoria Cross which is one of my least favourite eps, definitely her bleak Victorian Toronto. Not sure if she writes her William or not as she's always co-written with PM, presumably he writes the script with her input. It just occurred to me that maybe I'm setting myself up for this to be an episode about William that just happens to have a murder to be solved instead of the other way around. I am going to remain optimistic because the show is well written the vast majority of the time. I have to admit to going into this ep the same way I do all the rest ... take it as I find it! I hope it's good but if it isn't then it's just one more on my not so long list of eps I don't like. Even the eps I complain about I usually find something in them that I do like. When I first viewed Keystone Constables I didn't care for it because of the vaudeville however having watched it several times I got over the vaudeville and started looking at the rest and now I really like it. Nothing will beat What Lies Buried though!! |
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Post by lovemondays on Feb 14, 2015 21:34:57 GMT
It just occurred to me that maybe I'm setting myself up for this to be an episode about William that just happens to have a murder to be solved instead of the other way around. I am going to remain optimistic because the show is well written the vast majority of the time. I have to admit to going into this ep the same way I do all the rest ... take it as I find it! I hope it's good but if it isn't then it's just one more on my not so long list of eps I don't like. Even the eps I complain about I usually find something in them that I do like. When I first viewed Keystone Constables I didn't care for it because of the vaudeville however having watched it several times I got over the vaudeville and started looking at the rest and now I really like it. Nothing will beat What Lies Buried though!! I go into each episode expecting to love it! Sometimes I find myself disappointed, but I agree with you that even my least favourite eps have some redeeming qualities...except Bellyspeaker. I can't get past the puppet  . |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 14, 2015 21:38:49 GMT
I have to admit to going into this ep the same way I do all the rest ... take it as I find it! I hope it's good but if it isn't then it's just one more on my not so long list of eps I don't like. Even the eps I complain about I usually find something in them that I do like. When I first viewed Keystone Constables I didn't care for it because of the vaudeville however having watched it several times I got over the vaudeville and started looking at the rest and now I really like it. Nothing will beat What Lies Buried though!! I go into each episode expecting to love it! Sometimes I find myself disappointed, but I agree with you that even my least favourite eps have some redeeming qualities...except Bellyspeaker. I can't get past the puppet . LOL! It took me a long time to get past that puppet and it still annoys me just not as much and if it is getting to me I skip past it. Otherwise it's a good ep. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 14, 2015 22:20:08 GMT
I am again confused about the order or episodes. According to Wikki, 814 is "Toronto's Girl Problem", supported by the trailer from last night. 815 is "Crabtree Mania" and 818 is "The Artful Detective". That leaves 816 for Shipwreck because I know for certain that 817 is "Election Day" per Peter Mitchell. It really does feel like TPTB are flying by the seat of their pants this season. Shipwreck was originally E814 as per the clapper. This season seems to have been rearranged to the point we have no idea which ep was supposed to come next. I think the only thing we can be sure of are the two last eps but it looks like Toronto's Girl Problem is 14 and Shipwreck in now 15 that leaves Crabtreemania as 16. If nothing was changed in the editing before the episodes were re-arranged, no wonder there isn't any relationship evidence. They couldn't afford any character development if the episodes weren't going to build on one another. I wonder what happened here. This disorganization was really crappy. The sense of "building something" adds to the show. |
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