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Post by Hodge on Feb 17, 2015 22:40:13 GMT
I hadn't seen that yet, they hadn't got that far with the schedule last time I looked. I wonder if they're trying to elongate the season as it seeme to be going by very fast. Last year we had two breaks with Christmas and the olympics, maybe they're trying to spread the season out like it was last year. I'm looking forward to it too but I would have liked the ep about William's past to delve into what he did between leaving school and becoming a constable. There's a disconnect between what we've been given and the actual timeline. Their 18 episode production schedule is messed up. Normal shows in the US do 22-26 and they break it up into 2 filming/production "seasons" with a break in between. Doing 18 all at once is very exhausting for the actors, and it still leaves the viewers feeling like they got a short season... Actually for a Canadian show it's a long season and for a British show it's even longer, they usually only have 6 eps a season! The US is the only country as far as I know that has 26 ep seasons. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 18, 2015 3:38:43 GMT
The main point, though, is the MM compromise stuck the actors with an 18 episode straight suicide run. Oy!  |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 18, 2015 4:18:44 GMT
The main point, though, is the MM compromise stuck the actors with an 18 episode straight suicide run. Oy! They don't shoot 18 eps straight, they have a couple of hiatus in between. |
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Post by bookworm1225 on Feb 19, 2015 14:16:15 GMT
Stealing one of CosmicCavalcade's posts from the Girl Trouble episode:
"Peter Mitchell posted this on FB. I'm guessing it's kinda in response to this ep.
'I invite all families to watch next week. The episode is about where to place your faith - in God, organized religion or your fellow man. We like to try and go everywhere on this show.'"
I have to admit, this has me... anxious. It's rare enough to have on screen a character of demonstrable Christian faith who *isn't* portrayed as sanctimonious, hypocritical, or just plain villainous. But to have that same character also be a firm proponent of science, demonstrating that no, the two are *not* mutually exclusive (a viewpoint I share and most heartily endorse)... well, that's downright unprecedented, at least in my viewing experience.
If the faith aspect of William starts being diluted... yeah. I'm gonna be disappointed.
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Post by snacky on Feb 19, 2015 17:11:19 GMT
Stealing one of CosmicCavalcade's posts from the Girl Trouble episode: "Peter Mitchell posted this on FB. I'm guessing it's kinda in response to this ep. 'I invite all families to watch next week. The episode is about where to place your faith - in God, organized religion or your fellow man. We like to try and go everywhere on this show.'" I have to admit, this has me... anxious. It's rare enough to have on screen a character of demonstrable Christian faith who *isn't* portrayed as sanctimonious, hypocritical, or just plain villainous. But to have that same character also be a firm proponent of science, demonstrating that no, the two are *not* mutually exclusive (a viewpoint I share and most heartily endorse)... well, that's downright unprecedented, at least in my viewing experience. If the faith aspect of William starts being diluted... yeah. I'm gonna be disappointed. I agree on all points. There are a lot of ministers and church workers in my family, and I come from a deeply religious area of the country. Yet when I've watched shows that include religious characters on TV - or worse, shows with a "religious theme" - I've always found them to be extremely shallow and "not quite right" somehow. Perhaps "uncomfortable" is the word. One of the reasons I liked MM from the beginning is that while the writers recognized that all the characters would belong to churches of various sorts, they were extremely sparing in their treatment of religion. I've generally liked how they've treated William's faith, though I've liked it less when they've laid it on with a heavy brush. The more "Catholic" William gets, the less likely it is the Writers know that they are talking about, and the more likely it is that anachronisms and nitpicks will arise. From what I've read most people DID live their religious lives as we live them now: in the deep background. Spirituality was there to answer their metaphysical questions and to provide busybodies for their social problems, not to interfere with their everyday professional lives and problem-solving skills. William's character is also at the heart of a genuine debate of the period that allowed our modern "secular" world to emerge: every time someone derides him as a "Catholic", that's an opportunity for writers to explore that juncture a bit more. I'm sure that's what makes their gig the best! If this is an episode that explores this juncture and makes a place for faith, too, then that would be a natural place for Murdoch Mysteries to go. But if they dabble too much in the "faith" area, things might get awkward. Somehow I doubt they will. They didn't go to far when Julia investigated William's faith before agreeing to get married in the Catholic Church, and off scene she probably had to swear all children would be raised Catholic. I actually thought they fell a little short on that one because I didn't quite get the basis on which Julia was satisfied to proceed after coming up with all the things that unsettled her about Catholicism and religion in general. |
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Post by Hodge on Feb 19, 2015 19:09:55 GMT
Stealing one of CosmicCavalcade's posts from the Girl Trouble episode: "Peter Mitchell posted this on FB. I'm guessing it's kinda in response to this ep. 'I invite all families to watch next week. The episode is about where to place your faith - in God, organized religion or your fellow man. We like to try and go everywhere on this show.'" I have to admit, this has me... anxious. It's rare enough to have on screen a character of demonstrable Christian faith who *isn't* portrayed as sanctimonious, hypocritical, or just plain villainous. But to have that same character also be a firm proponent of science, demonstrating that no, the two are *not* mutually exclusive (a viewpoint I share and most heartily endorse)... well, that's downright unprecedented, at least in my viewing experience. If the faith aspect of William starts being diluted... yeah. I'm gonna be disappointed. I agree on all points. There are a lot of ministers and church workers in my family, and I come from a deeply religious area of the country. Yet when I've watched shows that include religious characters on TV - or worse, shows with a "religious theme" - I've always found them to be extremely shallow and "not quite right" somehow. Perhaps "uncomfortable" is the word. One of the reasons I liked MM from the beginning is that while the writers recognized that all the characters would belong to churches of various sorts, they were extremely sparing in their treatment of religion. I've generally liked how they've treated William's faith, though I've liked it less when they've laid it on with a heavy brush. The more "Catholic" William gets, the less likely it is the Writers know that they are talking about, and the more likely it is that anachronisms and nitpicks will arise. From what I've read most people DID live their religious lives as we live them now: in the deep background. Spirituality was there to answer their metaphysical questions and to provide busybodies for their social problems, not to interfere with their everyday professional lives and problem-solving skills. William's character is also at the heart of a genuine debate of the period that allowed our modern "secular" world to emerge: every time someone derides him as a "Catholic", that's an opportunity for writers to explore that juncture a bit more. I'm sure that's what makes their gig the best! If this is an episode that explores this juncture and makes a place for faith, too, then that would be a natural place for Murdoch Mysteries to go. But if they dabble too much in the "faith" area, things might get awkward. Somehow I doubt they will. They didn't go to far when Julia investigated William's faith before agreeing to get married in the Catholic Church, and off scene she probably had to swear all children would be raised Catholic. I actually thought they fell a little short on that one because I didn't quite get the basis on which Julia was satisfied to proceed after coming up with all the things that unsettled her about Catholicism and religion in general. As usual I'm not going to speculate on what may take place in this episode, I'll sit back and let it take me for the ride. I see no point in speculating, if you're right you've spoiled it for yourself and if you're wrong you're disappointed it didn't go the way you wanted. I have a sneaky suspicion that Julia didn't satisfy Father Clements where religion is concerned. She basically told him she didn't believe. However I think her commitment to William and accepting his faith and (perhaps) agreeing to raise children in the faith would have been enough. I thought Father Clements was rather forward thinking and he seemed to genuinely care about William and his happiness. |
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Post by snacky on Feb 19, 2015 20:57:18 GMT
I have fewer speculations on Shipwreck than everyone else because I didn't read the book. I do have fascination with the period's struggle to harmonize religion, tradition, rapidly advancing science, and the new seculad "public life". I also have great respect for how MM has handled this so far. The way PM emphasized faith sounded creepy, but I should just trust MM's record on this.
If I remember correctly, the Catholic Gatekeepers didn't require Julia's conversion. They only required the promise about her children (though converting Julia would be a bonus). I was surprised Julia caved on thfe chidfes.k
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Post by snacky on Feb 19, 2015 21:03:13 GMT
The last word on the above post should be "children". I can't edit it until later tonight as it falls below the visible text box area on my Kindle. >.<
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Post by Hodge on Feb 19, 2015 21:20:20 GMT
The last word on the above post should be "children". I can't edit it until later tonight as it falls below the visible text box area on my Kindle. >.< Figured that. We don't know that she caved. She may even have admitted to Father Clements that she couldn't have children.... |
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Post by lizmc on Feb 19, 2015 22:20:24 GMT
I may be completely wrong about this (won't be the first time), but I seem to remember from my childhood that the "rules" for mixed Catholic/Protestant marriages used to be that the boys would be raised according to the father's religion and the girls according to the mother's, and this was changed in the 1950s or 60s (Vatican II, maybe?). I can remember friends of my parents talking about this because they had a mixed marriage and thought the change was causing unnecessary strife......I was very young at the time, but I don't think that is something I'd dream up......
Cheers
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Post by lizmc on Feb 19, 2015 22:25:59 GMT
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Post by snacky on Feb 19, 2015 22:42:47 GMT
waa can't view it until tonight. Didn't get to see the after-ep previews, either.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Feb 20, 2015 23:11:25 GMT
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Post by snacky on Feb 21, 2015 1:53:52 GMT
Ooh now we know what Julia thinks: "stubborn and virtuous"! (except for those pervy moments...) William also calls Julia stubborn. What would the other adjective be? "stubborn and...______________" |
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Post by lovemondays on Feb 21, 2015 2:00:30 GMT
Ooooooh, I think this means the story will stick to the influences that lead William to become a detective. Not so much about the Jesuits or the lumbercamp.  |
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