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Post by Hodge on Apr 27, 2015 17:20:44 GMT
I don't understand why you think the end of S4 was the result of resentful writers. PM said nothing about that, just that he picked up a mess. When MM was on CityTV the end of every season could have been the end of the show. They did two endings for S3 so that they could have a happy ending if it wasn't picked up again. It was picked up for S4 and had a disastrous ending, maybe they knew there was going to be a S5 this time and they'd have time to put things right, or just thought it was a suitable way to end the show. We really don't know what they were thinking. PM came on board for S5 and did his best to make it right for the end of S5. Then they were cancelled. That's when CBC came into the picture, they picked it up for S6 and bought the rights to S5 which they then showed whilst S6 was being filmed. That's so horrible to have to write the end of each season as if it was the end of the show. But I've also noticed that you call them "series" instead of "seasons" in Canada - probably for that reason. Now that they have cliffhangers at the end of each season, what would happen if they weren't renewed or bumped from the schedule for some reason?   I'm not sure we actually do call it series in Canada. I think you'll find PM has called it seasons. It sure doesn't make sense to me. A series is a complete entity, we know the seaons of MM aren't complete entities. They seem to call it series in the UK. I don't think some people know the difference and just say series. |
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Post by Hodge on Apr 27, 2015 17:26:09 GMT
PM came on board for S5 and did his best to make it right for the end of S5. With Helene available for just a handful of episodes, lol.  Do we know for sure that Helene was only available for a handful of eps? The season may have been written that way. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Apr 27, 2015 21:32:50 GMT
At the MM luncheon last month, Sean Harraher said that the cast was told the series had been cancelled right before they shot the baseball game scenes and they knew nothing about a CBC deal...they all thought it would be over ..... Do you know anything about Season 4? The actual crux of the matter is whether the producers/writers would have allowed the show to end with Murdoch in Wonderland "as is". Alternatives: 1) They knew the show would have a season 5 at City (or with some funding from CBC?) or at least that plan was being negotiated. 2) They didn't know about the cancellation at the time Murdoch in Wonderland was written/filmed. 3) There may be an alternate ending to Murdoch in Wonderland that would have been used if the series had been cancelled. Fallenbelle refuses to watch season 4 because she thinks the TPTB would have deliberately ended the series on Murdoch in Wonderland as written. I can only imagine the fan response at the time. Cancellation was a very real and constant threat-why else shoot alternate endings? I won't rewatch season 4-I've seen it once. That's enough considering the ending to the series that season planned on delivering. I'm not knocking those who do enjoy it, I'm just not one of them-MiW is enough to ruin the whole season for me. Had the series ended, it would have been enough to ruin the whole show for me. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Apr 27, 2015 21:47:50 GMT
That said, I was quite concerned for Julia's character, as she really did show signs of a character about to be killed off. I'm quite glad those fears were unfounded. lol, you're so understated in the aftermath. You were terrified they were planning to kill Julia off from about 5 minutes after the honeymoon!  I'm also glad your premonition proved to be wrong. I was just reading an article about Shondra Rhimes' habit shocking the audience by killing off lead characters, and I'm wondering whether there's a certain school of TV writing concerning sacrificing your lead characters to the great gods of your story. Perhaps I am a bit more understated now, but at the time, that's what the show seemed to be doing. Season 8 Julia was a shadow of her former self, which in my experience says "we don't know what else to do with this character-time to sacrifice her for an explosive ending." That said, I'm glad I was wrong.  Yeah, I really don't agree with that school of thought, as Rhimes does. It's why I also stopped watching ER, which had a nasty habit of killing off everyone who decided to leave the show. No one ever (with the exception of George Clooney's Doug Ross) ever left to accept a new job in a new town. Nooooo, they all had to die tragically. That's just lazy writing, and ultimately, does nothing for a show in syndication other than the initial ratings grab. |
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Post by snacky on Apr 28, 2015 8:56:02 GMT
With Helene available for just a handful of episodes, lol. Do we know for sure that Helene was only available for a handful of eps? The season may have been written that way. Hmm that's a good question. I think Helene was in Heartland that year, as she was in other years, so they had to film around her schedule. But if it was filmed that way, I have to roll my eyes at PM's attempts to pull Jilliam out of the Julia/Darcy marriage situation. |
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Post by Hodge on Apr 28, 2015 19:46:57 GMT
Do we know for sure that Helene was only available for a handful of eps? The season may have been written that way. Hmm that's a good question. I think Helene was in Heartland that year, as she was in other years, so they had to film around her schedule. But if it was filmed that way, I have to roll my eyes at PM's attempts to pull Jilliam out of the Julia/Darcy marriage situation. Julia had left the morgue and opened a practice on the other side of Toronto deliberately to put distance between them. She couldn't have appeared that often or it would have defeated the purpose of leaving. PM did pull her out of the marriage despite few appearances and it tied in perfectly with MiT. |
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Post by evilpete on Apr 29, 2015 1:37:44 GMT
We had her for less than 10 days and Darcy for 2. Thought we did some decent stick handling. And FYI season 8 was the most days Julia ever had on the show
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Post by Hodge on Apr 29, 2015 2:19:47 GMT
We had her for less than 10 days and Darcy for 2. Thought we did some decent stick handling. And FYI season 8 was the most days Julia ever had on the show Thank you for clearing that up. It's never obvious whether it's written that way or working around other commitments. |
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Post by lizmc on Apr 29, 2015 2:58:31 GMT
We had her for less than 10 days and Darcy for 2. Thought we did some decent stick handling. And FYI season 8 was the most days Julia ever had on the show Hey, Evilpete, I see you've actually joined! Welcome and please continue with your insights......(I almost typed insides....must be the hockey withdrawal....) |
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Post by Hodge on Apr 29, 2015 3:07:17 GMT
We had her for less than 10 days and Darcy for 2. Thought we did some decent stick handling. And FYI season 8 was the most days Julia ever had on the show Hey, Evilpete, I see you've actually joined! Welcome and please continue with your insights......(I almost typed insides....must be the hockey withdrawal....) I noticed evilpete had joined. Hope he pops in more often. |
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Post by snacky on May 1, 2015 1:58:33 GMT
Hmm that's a good question. I think Helene was in Heartland that year, as she was in other years, so they had to film around her schedule. But if it was filmed that way, I have to roll my eyes at PM's attempts to pull Jilliam out of the Julia/Darcy marriage situation. Julia had left the morgue and opened a practice on the other side of Toronto deliberately to put distance between them. She couldn't have appeared that often or it would have defeated the purpose of leaving. PM did pull her out of the marriage despite few appearances and it tied in perfectly with MiT. But the writers decided all those things. If Helene were available, the writers could create a different storyline to bring her more into William's world. They could have even killed Darcy off during the first episode! |
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Post by snacky on May 1, 2015 2:02:35 GMT
We had her for less than 10 days and Darcy for 2. Thought we did some decent stick handling. And FYI season 8 was the most days Julia ever had on the show Wa the return of EvilPete! I swear he's waiting for when I'm not around to appear.  IMHO, part of the problem all along has been the fans view Julia as a co-lead, since she is William's partner (even before they were married) - but the acting contract stuff only brings Helene on board for some limited amount of episodes. Canada seems to treat actors like temps. |
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