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Post by oklahomafan on Oct 13, 2015 22:12:14 GMT
When did I say I like dumb jerks? Higgins annoyed me in this episode, but he was being stupid, not malicious....he will get his comeuppance and it will be apparent he has been promoted past his abilities....Lillian is an entirely different issue, and my dislike of her is not a double standard and has nothing to do with her being female, or a lesbian, for that matter...... I just don't see the malice in Lillian that everyone else sees. I see a determined feminist and a radical protester. Her rude remarks to Julia came from her principles, whereas Henry was just being an ass.  Interesting idea about guys and gals. I don't think that is how I feel. I have seen Higgins care. So far the only thing Lillian cares about are her issues. She even seems to put down Emily's work. I think I could handle her caustic nature if she seemed to be more caring about those around her and their passions. |
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Post by oklahomafan on Oct 13, 2015 22:20:46 GMT
That was an enjoyable episode and it had me laughing a lot. I'm guessing it was Margaret who burned that gazebo down. It was great to see more of Higgins because I find him hilarious and I like his and George's childish rivalry. Aww Higgins still can't get a girlfriend, but I like him getting a bit of the glory in rank, because George has had the same for 8 seasons. I'm assuming George will finally be writing that 2nd book of his. The banter between W/J was really entertaining. As if William could ever tell Julia what to do and succeed. I also liked how Julia was so proud of William while she boasted of his inventions. A good amount of Julia and a good amount of everyone except Emily. Did Georgina have limited availability? The last couple of episodes have been very light on her. Considering she's about to leave it's a shame she's not around much. But with the others i'm loving they're all getting things to do and this season is feeling more balanced. I bet Mrs. B did something to the gazebo too. Can you imagine if she gets arrested for arson LOL. The faces Mr. B will make LOL. I about choked when Julia said William has accused me of being impulsive. Really showed our nervous she was about putting Mr. Twain in the podium. However I loved his defense of women's right to vote. Best use of the Sufferagette theme so far. |
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Post by oklahomafan on Oct 13, 2015 22:24:15 GMT
I don't see why Higgins shouldn't have gotten a promotion. Liliian isn't the easiest person to love, but I don't think she's quite as annoying as it's claimed by some posters. Emily and Margaret can also be prickly at times. And Brackenreid can be a downright a-hole sometimes, but all the characters have their less that stellar sides. Lillian hasn't even done anything particularly prickly so far this season anyway, she's barely been in it. Who knows what she'll have done in the next episode, but so far she's been fine. I think Fallenbelle has something regarding the hubris theory here: Henry is headed for some comeuppance! That's exactly my POV regarding Lillian. She has a lot of flaws, but so do other characters. I think people were particularly offended by Lillian's attack on marriage/William - but to me this is a believable attitude in the historical context. I noticed that the Pankhursts have now been explicitly mentioned! I wonder what Inspector B said when Emily announced she was leaving instead of giving up her "childish" games... I wish we had seen more of Emily resigning too. It was like oh and she is leaving bye... |
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Post by lizmc on Oct 13, 2015 23:11:40 GMT
I just don't see the malice in Lillian that everyone else sees. I see a determined feminist and a radical protester. Her rude remarks to Julia came from her principles, whereas Henry was just being an ass. Interesting idea about guys and gals. I don't think that is how I feel. I have seen Higgins care. So far the only thing Lillian cares about are her issues. She even seems to put down Emily's work. I think I could handle her caustic nature if she seemed to be more caring about those around her and their passions. You've touched on why I dislike Lillian so much.......she is so self centred and self absorbed, she can't see either the harm she can do her own cause or the contributions others are making.......both Julia and Emily are accomplishing far more for women's rights by proving they can do a "man's" job and do it well, and yet Lillian dismisses 2 women who are doing exactly what she claims she is campaigning for......and if she was as smart as she is supposed to be, surely she could see that, rather than dismiss a man like William, who is supportive of the cause, she disses him too......if she was smart, she would be cultivating men like William, because like it or not, for women to get the vote, enough men like William (and, yes, Brackenreid) to vote for politicians who will support the cause...... |
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Post by oklahomafan on Oct 13, 2015 23:18:01 GMT
Interesting idea about guys and gals. I don't think that is how I feel. I have seen Higgins care. So far the only thing Lillian cares about are her issues. She even seems to put down Emily's work. I think I could handle her caustic nature if she seemed to be more caring about those around her and their passions. You've touched on why I dislike Lillian so much.......she is so self centred and self absorbed, she can't see either the harm she can do her own cause or the contributions others are making.......both Julia and Emily are accomplishing far more for women's rights by proving they can do a "man's" job and do it well, and yet Lillian dismisses 2 women who are doing exactly what she claims she is campaigning for......and if she was as smart as she is supposed to be, surely she could see that, rather than dismiss a man like William, who is supportive of the cause, she disses him too......if she was smart, she would be cultivating men like William, because like it or not, for women to get the vote, enough men like William (and, yes, Brackenreid) to vote for politicians who will support the cause...... Exactly and ditto! |
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Oct 13, 2015 23:41:32 GMT
Well you can definitely tell who hangs out with the police, as the Murdochs and the Brackenreids run toward the gunshot (in the beginning) while everyone else cowers behind furniture!
(and does Murdoch seriously walk around all the time with his badge in his pocket?)
George Crabtree fanboying was just adorable. George needs to come and get another dozen or hugs..
I agree Henry's been a bit of a jerk this episode, kind of lording it over George. I think they need to get used to working together again. And I wouldn't be surprised if there was any resentment But it's interesting how Henry was just blundering around and George used his wits, and manipulated Henry skillfully. And Murdoch's preference for George is showing, it became increasingly obvious that Henry was beginning to irritate both William and Brax.
(can I please have Julia's white suit kthanxbai)
It's interesting that both Brackenreid and Twain were after the same thing. Something to give their wives after all the "grief they've given them"
I'm surprised they don't have Emily already training Rebecca-at least I think that's what she's supposed to be. But in hindsight Murdoch is fairly *particular* about how he likes hes morgue work done.
Favourite Line? "William you're beginning to sound like a phonograph that's become stuck" Sassy!Julia is back!
Throwback notes: KLONDIKE! and Brax sticking it to stuck of toffs!
As the mysteries go I didn't see the twist with the wife coming.
AUTOGRAPH BOOKKKK
And Hot damn Margaret!
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Post by Hodge on Oct 14, 2015 0:07:22 GMT
Interesting idea about guys and gals. I don't think that is how I feel. I have seen Higgins care. So far the only thing Lillian cares about are her issues. She even seems to put down Emily's work. I think I could handle her caustic nature if she seemed to be more caring about those around her and their passions. You've touched on why I dislike Lillian so much.......she is so self centred and self absorbed, she can't see either the harm she can do her own cause or the contributions others are making.......both Julia and Emily are accomplishing far more for women's rights by proving they can do a "man's" job and do it well, and yet Lillian dismisses 2 women who are doing exactly what she claims she is campaigning for......and if she was as smart as she is supposed to be, surely she could see that, rather than dismiss a man like William, who is supportive of the cause, she disses him too......if she was smart, she would be cultivating men like William, because like it or not, for women to get the vote, enough men like William (and, yes, Brackenreid) to vote for politicians who will support the cause...... Exactly! You put it so well.  |
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Post by shangas on Oct 14, 2015 3:16:54 GMT
OK. Break it down...
1. 'Mark Twain' looked more like Teddy Roosevelt.
2. Henry lording it over George = not cool. They're supposed to be buddies.
3. Twain as the 'diversion' was interesting. A convenient distraction.
4. The Gaezbo thing was hilarious.
5. I somehow expected Higgins' stealing to have played a bigger part and maybe bust him back down to size.
6. VERY interested in the next episode!!
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Post by snacky on Oct 14, 2015 5:48:43 GMT
OK. Break it down... 1. 'Mark Twain' looked more like Teddy Roosevelt. 2. Henry lording it over George = not cool. They're supposed to be buddies. 3. Twain as the 'diversion' was interesting. A convenient distraction. 4. The Gaezbo thing was hilarious. 5. I somehow expected Higgins' stealing to have played a bigger part and maybe bust him back down to size. 6. VERY interested in the next episode!! You strike me as James Bond with a very dry martini when you review MM.  |
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Post by snacky on Oct 14, 2015 6:08:28 GMT
.....and if she was as smart as she is supposed to be, surely she could see that, rather than dismiss a man like William, who is supportive of the cause, she disses him too......if she was smart, she would be cultivating men like William, because like it or not, for women to get the vote, enough men like William (and, yes, Brackenreid) to vote for politicians who will support the cause...... This is part of why I may be more sympathetic to Lillian's protest style than most. I live in a hot spot of the Black Lives Matter movement in the US, and there is a lot of controversy about their protest style. There is *especially* a lot of advice for them to not tick off people when they need their votes and how they can't afford to alienate the middle class. The BLM movement chose radical and confrontational styles - mainly because they don't see "politics as usual" as effective. They object to being patronized about their tactics. In fact, they try to avoid being affiliated with any political party and try to stay "issue oriented". I see a lot of Lillian's character in this, and there's a lot of historical accuracy in that type of character. We are talking about the time of radical anarchists as well as Pankhurst-type vandalism. Anyway, this is the prism I see Lillian, through. And I think her character is a useful way to reflect on radical protests today, as well. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 14, 2015 6:12:45 GMT
I bet Mrs. B did something to the gazebo too. Can you imagine if she gets arrested for arson LOL. The faces Mr. B will make LOL. I about choked when Julia said William has accused me of being impulsive. Really showed our nervous she was about putting Mr. Twain in the podium. However I loved his defense of women's right to vote. Best use of the Sufferagette theme so far. Inspector B met Margaret when he arrested her for getting in a fight in a lunch room. He almost arrested her again for gambling. If he could get away with arresting her without larger (prison) consequences, I think he would quite enjoy it. Handcuff games would probably ensue. I agree, re: great integration of the suffragette theme into the mystery. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 14, 2015 14:22:21 GMT
I bet Mrs. B did something to the gazebo too. Can you imagine if she gets arrested for arson LOL. The faces Mr. B will make LOL. I about choked when Julia said William has accused me of being impulsive. Really showed our nervous she was about putting Mr. Twain in the podium. However I loved his defense of women's right to vote. Best use of the Sufferagette theme so far. Inspector B met Margaret when he arrested her for getting in a fight in a lunch room. He almost arrested her again for gambling. If he could get away with arresting her without larger (prison) consequences, I think he would quite enjoy it. Handcuff games would probably ensue. I agree, re: great integration of the suffragette theme into the mystery. Because the ladies aren't being 'radical' suffragettes now it's easier to integrate their story line into the mysteries. They couldn't have them being arrested every week because of their views or actions in last season so their arc just didn't fit. |
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Post by lea on Oct 15, 2015 1:57:49 GMT
Finally got to see the episode  ! I thought it was alright. I also had a hard time understanding Shatner. My favorite part was Henry pulling up the chair while waving his bum in everyone's faces like a total doofus. Honestly, not much to say about this episode. |
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Post by oklahomafan on Oct 15, 2015 3:33:30 GMT
I bet Mrs. B did something to the gazebo too. Can you imagine if she gets arrested for arson LOL. The faces Mr. B will make LOL. I about choked when Julia said William has accused me of being impulsive. Really showed our nervous she was about putting Mr. Twain in the podium. However I loved his defense of women's right to vote. Best use of the Sufferagette theme so far. Inspector B met Margaret when he arrested her for getting in a fight in a lunch room. He almost arrested her again for gambling. If he could get away with arresting her without larger (prison) consequences, I think he would quite enjoy it. Handcuff games would probably ensue. I agree, re: great integration of the suffragette theme into the mystery. That's right I forgot about the gambling. He would be delighted for a bit anyway. |
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Post by oklahomafan on Oct 15, 2015 3:38:03 GMT
OK. Break it down... 1. 'Mark Twain' looked more like Teddy Roosevelt. 2. Henry lording it over George = not cool. They're supposed to be buddies. 3. Twain as the 'diversion' was interesting. A convenient distraction. 4. The Gaezbo thing was hilarious. 5. I somehow expected Higgins' stealing to have played a bigger part and maybe bust him back down to size. 6. VERY interested in the next episode!! At first I thought the pilfering by Higgins would be a bigger deal then I remembered how the graft was not a big deal when the Station House 5 constables were involved in the rape of Mai Ling and even Brackenreid dismisses graft and such in several episodes. |
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! I thought it was alright. I also had a hard time understanding Shatner. My favorite part was Henry pulling up the chair while waving his bum in everyone's faces like a total doofus. Honestly, not much to say about this episode. 