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Post by snacky on Oct 15, 2015 7:36:03 GMT
I saw someone on twitter say the man in the doorway is Leslie Garland. I have doubts...but at the same time it could be...we also know Emily has a father out there. So who knows. Also, we have photos of Emily, Lillian and George at a train station hugging. So perhaps Emily leaves before the murder? But then why would she leave without Lillian. I am so confused. 13 days is a loooong time. Edit: After zooming in on that video many many times, the body in the morgue has her hair in a bun. Lillian often wears her hair in a bun. Where are the pictures of the three of them at the station? I see it referenced a lot but I've never actually seen them. Someone looked at the picture (William?) in the first episode. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 15, 2015 7:37:47 GMT
Is that a woman that calls Lillian's name at the end? Thanks for the clip! No it's not it was my mom we were discussing about the promo while i recorded it hahahahha :') That is so sweet!  |
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Post by lea on Oct 15, 2015 15:56:57 GMT
Looking at the photos, definitely none are Lillian. None. Yeah, I'd say Lillian is dying then. |
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Post by tanhere on Oct 15, 2015 17:00:20 GMT
Both actors Joanna Boland and Jamie Spilchuk are in this episode. According to IMDB, Joanna's character is listed as Sadie Elms and Jamie as Daniel Miles. Judging from the stills of the trailer, it looks like a scarf and box are on the ground as the body falls.Maybe Lillian and this Sadie character were dressed alike in some operation and its Sadie that dies at the hands of this Daniel character thinking its Lillian he is shooting? When we see Emily in the trailer she runs automatically thinking its Lillian but its the other 'young suffragette'. Someone suggested Lillian might have actually been married and escaped taking a different alias? Emily mentions 'why did she lie to me?' so Lillian might have taken off again and Emily is left wondering why she lied about who she was etc.. The man at the door is most likely this Daniel character and Emily looks frightened.... I feel Emily is in way over her head with Lillian just as George was with Edna and Simon.
It also could very well be Lillian that dies and I'm leaning more to this theory. Emily looks completely devastated,stressed and confused. Georgina is such a great actress!
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Post by bookworm1225 on Oct 23, 2015 17:11:35 GMT
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Post by oklahomafan on Oct 23, 2015 20:59:18 GMT
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Post by snacky on Oct 24, 2015 6:31:02 GMT
Wow that's a heavy hint about who gets shot. Still hoping we are being misdirected.  |
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Post by sydneyfan on Oct 24, 2015 8:02:55 GMT
Oh good grief, on Facebook this has brought out all those opposed to the Emily/ Lilian relationship, although as said before they're obviously comfortable with murder, kidnapping, blackmail , gun slinging etc and also those wanting her to get back with George!! It's not as if the "relationship" has been a central part to the show, just glimpses, but is obviously critical to the next episode. Also to me, there was no chemistry between George and Emily while Emily was quite dismissive of George when someone from a higher socio-economic group ie Lesley, came along! I couldn't care less if same sex or opposite sex relationship, as long as built on love, trust, companionship etc . People are also pleading for the actor playing Emily to stay but I'm pretty sure the actors have real lives and that's a tad bit more important than their fictional life. Having said that if Helene Joy left I'd likely have only little interest in the show given she's my favourite character and I love the William/Julia dynamic, so much better than last year! |
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Post by murdochic on Oct 24, 2015 10:54:21 GMT
Even if Georgina stayed her character should never be with George. They stunk as a romance. A lack of chemistry between the characters and a complete mismatch in personalities made them cringeworthy to watch. They can never be what the other needs in a partner.
It's obvious now that Lillian will die and I'm still very unhappy about that, and disappointed that MM were as cliche as most other shows. Emily deserved a better exit than this and to then later possibly bring her back to ignore her bisexuality and stick her in a lacklustre longterm relationship with George, would be adding insult to injury. If she ever comes back then at least give her a relationship that suits her. And don't rule out it being another woman, either way just not George.
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Post by tanhere on Oct 24, 2015 12:50:29 GMT
I disagree that the relationship was lack luster. While it may have not been completely central to the story there are a lot of George & Emily fans out there as evident on the Facebook page. Also, if she is bi sexual, how would sticking her back with George be ignoring her bi sexuality? She would like men and women correct? Emily is young, and she has grown a lot this past season so why bring up her dismissiveness towards George all the time? He isn't exactly an angel either. I like Emily and I'm sad she will be leaving but I hope she comes back again one day for George.  yeah, I know I am in the minority here. |
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Post by murdochic on Oct 24, 2015 15:40:20 GMT
It always came across as a forced attempt to redo the police officer/coroner dymanic that W/J had. George isn't even really Emily's type. He'd never realistically be able to keep her interested long-term, and she'd never be the type who can settle down to the life he wants.
Trying to force a relationship for the sake of it is a disserve to both characters, so I'd prefer Emily never returns if she'd only do so to be paired with George again. It's no coincidence they're not a popular pairing on this site, whereas almost all posters have been fans of W/J. Chemistry and complimentary personalities are imporant.
Emily has seemed more in tune with Lillian out of her several love interests, so it's sad they can't just both go off to London. I don't want to see Emily leave brokenhearted and with her plans ruined, but it's looking like that's what happens. I'll feel so sorry for her if it is that way.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 24, 2015 16:44:04 GMT
I'm going to put my faith in the writers and producers and say it isn't at all what we think it's going to be. I think they've just edited it really cleverly. Emily asks Lillian to pick up her dress, so then when she hears someone was shot in the general vicinity of the seamstress, she ASSUMES it's Lillian, and that's why the constable was holding her back at the scene in the first teaser.
Later on she tells Julia, "She lied to me." We don't know who the 'she' is. It could be Lillian, it could be the dead girl, it could be anyone. (But it probably is Lillian).
Probably the intended target WAS Lillian, but they killed a suffragette sister by accident who was with Lillian at the time who maybe kind of looked like Lillian too, and then the killer comes after them some more when he realizes his mistake. For all we know the shot with Emily hiding in (their house?) has Lillian standing right beside her but out of frame.
Anyway, it's just TOO obvious for them to kill Lillian and give so much away in previews, that I think it can't be what it looks like. Or perhaps I'm just delusional because I don't want such a hackneyed ending for Emily and Lillian's storyline.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 24, 2015 17:23:33 GMT
I'm going to put my faith in the writers and producers and say it isn't at all what we think it's going to be. I think they've just edited it really cleverly. Emily asks Lillian to pick up her dress, so then when she hears someone was shot in the general vicinity of the seamstress, she ASSUMES it's Lillian, and that's why the constable was holding her back at the scene in the first teaser. Later on she tells Julia, "She lied to me." We don't know who the 'she' is. It could be Lillian, it could be the dead girl, it could be anyone. (But it probably is Lillian). Probably the intended target WAS Lillian, but they killed a suffragette sister by accident who was with Lillian at the time who maybe kind of looked like Lillian too, and then the killer comes after them some more when he realizes his mistake. For all we know the shot with Emily hiding in (their house?) has Lillian standing right beside her but out of frame. Anyway, it's just TOO obvious for them to kill Lillian and give so much away in previews, that I think it can't be what it looks like. Or perhaps I'm just delusional because I don't want such a hackneyed ending for Emily and Lillian's storyline. This is my take as well. I just think killing Lillian is too obvious and that they're deliberately misleading us via clever editing and an actress who bears a strong resemblance to Lillian playing the dead woman. Just like we got the twist with Edna/Simon at the end of 09x01 for George, I suspect we get something similar for Emily and Lillian-or at least I hope we do as well. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 24, 2015 17:47:50 GMT
I'm going to put my faith in the writers and producers and say it isn't at all what we think it's going to be. I think they've just edited it really cleverly. Emily asks Lillian to pick up her dress, so then when she hears someone was shot in the general vicinity of the seamstress, she ASSUMES it's Lillian, and that's why the constable was holding her back at the scene in the first teaser. Later on she tells Julia, "She lied to me." We don't know who the 'she' is. It could be Lillian, it could be the dead girl, it could be anyone. (But it probably is Lillian). Probably the intended target WAS Lillian, but they killed a suffragette sister by accident who was with Lillian at the time who maybe kind of looked like Lillian too, and then the killer comes after them some more when he realizes his mistake. For all we know the shot with Emily hiding in (their house?) has Lillian standing right beside her but out of frame. Anyway, it's just TOO obvious for them to kill Lillian and give so much away in previews, that I think it can't be what it looks like. Or perhaps I'm just delusional because I don't want such a hackneyed ending for Emily and Lillian's storyline. This is my take as well. I just think killing Lillian is too obvious and that they're deliberately misleading us via clever editing and an actress who bears a strong resemblance to Lillian playing the dead woman. Just like we got the twist with Edna/Simon at the end of 09x01 for George, I suspect we get something similar for Emily and Lillian-or at least I hope we do as well. Guess we'll find out... I liked how everyone thought they were so clever for figuring out Simon had actually done it soon after the finale aired...and then they led us on a merry goose chase and I was pleased it wasn't that way after all...but then it turned out it was, and since I wasn't expecting the original obvious solution, I guess it was a good twist. Though I still maintain they only did that to get rid of Edna and Simon. (At least temporarily). |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 24, 2015 18:20:41 GMT
This is my take as well. I just think killing Lillian is too obvious and that they're deliberately misleading us via clever editing and an actress who bears a strong resemblance to Lillian playing the dead woman. Just like we got the twist with Edna/Simon at the end of 09x01 for George, I suspect we get something similar for Emily and Lillian-or at least I hope we do as well. Guess we'll find out... I liked how everyone thought they were so clever for figuring out Simon had actually done it soon after the finale aired...and then they led us on a merry goose chase and I was pleased it wasn't that way after all...but then it turned out it was, and since I wasn't expecting the original obvious solution, I guess it was a good twist. Though I still maintain they only did that to get rid of Edna and Simon. (At least temporarily). I never thought Edna or Simon did it, partly because it was too obvious, but PM said an interview right after the finale that that was what George thought as well, but was wrong. I went into the premiere knowing it had to most likely be an army buddy or was even a spy for Meyers, and I did not see the twist with Simon at the end coming at all. But, yeah...I suspect this was to get rid of Simon, and Edna will be back sooner rather than later sans Simon. I don't have hard evidence, but why heavily feature the actress on the panel at fan weekend if she was going to be one and done? Just a hunch on my part-also, the family photo was on George's desk at fan weekend as well. Of course, this could be misleading, but it's pretty elaborate if it is... |
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yeah, I know I am in the minority here. 
