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Post by snacky on Oct 24, 2015 19:40:01 GMT
Oh good grief, on Facebook this has brought out all those opposed to the Emily/ Lilian relationship, although as said before they're obviously comfortable with murder, kidnapping, blackmail , gun slinging etc and also those wanting her to get back with George!! It's not as if the "relationship" has been a central part to the show, just glimpses, but is obviously critical to the next episode. Also to me, there was no chemistry between George and Emily while Emily was quite dismissive of George when someone from a higher socio-economic group ie Lesley, came along! I couldn't care less if same sex or opposite sex relationship, as long as built on love, trust, companionship etc . People are also pleading for the actor playing Emily to stay but I'm pretty sure the actors have real lives and that's a tad bit more important than their fictional life. Having said that if Helene Joy left I'd likely have only little interest in the show given she's my favourite character and I love the William/Julia dynamic, so much better than last year! IMHO, Emily's character just started to grow in Season 8 - it's a shame that's the point when she leaves! I still don't understand Emily/George at all: what a poor model of a relationship to put out there for both young women and young men. One of the subtle draws of MM is that William offers a model for manhood that isn't usual for TV (at least American TV): so female viewers feel obliged to cheer William on for providing the alternative they want, and they also have to cheer on the woman who appreciates him. The George/Emily dynamic is different. Women want to cheer on George for being a good man, but they want to cheer on Emily for her independence. When George and Emily are together, she diminishes him. It's not a balanced relationship: it only models a "lesser" man groveling before a dismissive woman. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 24, 2015 19:42:24 GMT
I'm going to put my faith in the writers and producers and say it isn't at all what we think it's going to be. I think they've just edited it really cleverly. Emily asks Lillian to pick up her dress, so then when she hears someone was shot in the general vicinity of the seamstress, she ASSUMES it's Lillian, and that's why the constable was holding her back at the scene in the first teaser. Later on she tells Julia, "She lied to me." We don't know who the 'she' is. It could be Lillian, it could be the dead girl, it could be anyone. (But it probably is Lillian). Probably the intended target WAS Lillian, but they killed a suffragette sister by accident who was with Lillian at the time who maybe kind of looked like Lillian too, and then the killer comes after them some more when he realizes his mistake. For all we know the shot with Emily hiding in (their house?) has Lillian standing right beside her but out of frame. Anyway, it's just TOO obvious for them to kill Lillian and give so much away in previews, that I think it can't be what it looks like. Or perhaps I'm just delusional because I don't want such a hackneyed ending for Emily and Lillian's storyline. This is my take as well. I just think killing Lillian is too obvious and that they're deliberately misleading us via clever editing and an actress who bears a strong resemblance to Lillian playing the dead woman. Just like we got the twist with Edna/Simon at the end of 09x01 for George, I suspect we get something similar for Emily and Lillian-or at least I hope we do as well. I hope you both are correct! I suspect "witness protection" will end up applying to Lillian or Emily or both. |
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Post by carco on Oct 25, 2015 19:51:04 GMT
I will be really disappointed in MM if they kill Lillian. The dead lesbian trope is overused and the show is better than that. I hope the trailer isn't what it looks like. I'll be upset if they kill Lillian too. Only because I fear it could allow the "haters", (ie: those who posted vitriol on FB, etc. following the (gasp) kiss between Emily and Lillian), to feel smug in the mistaken belief that they've "won" and that TPTB were swayed by their threats to stop watching the show unless the homosexual "agenda" stopped being shoved in their faces, blah, blah, blah. Hopefully I'm wrong. I've been watching the new episodes but haven't been able to spend any time here on the board, twitter,etc. But, as of Wednesday that will change and I am REALLY, REALLY looking forward to being able to waste  my time again, analyzing and researching this show to within an inch of it's life.    |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 25, 2015 21:29:48 GMT
I will be really disappointed in MM if they kill Lillian. The dead lesbian trope is overused and the show is better than that. I hope the trailer isn't what it looks like. I'll be upset if they kill Lillian too. Only because I fear it could allow the "haters", (ie: those who posted vitriol on FB, etc. following the (gasp) kiss between Emily and Lillian), to feel smug in the mistaken belief that they've "won" and that TPTB were swayed by their threats to stop watching the show unless the homosexual "agenda" stopped being shoved in their faces, blah, blah, blah. Hopefully I'm wrong. I've been watching the new episodes but haven't been able to spend any time here on the board, twitter,etc. But, as of Wednesday that will change and I am REALLY, REALLY looking forward to being able to waste my time again, analyzing and researching this show to within an inch of it's life. Yeah, I'd really hate for that to happen. But then again, there was a FB fan club devoted to the demise of Darcy and then he WAS killed off...and Michelle even mentioned this in the book and said 'how thrilled they must have been!'  Hope they aren't going to rinse and repeat this. But uh, when they killed Darcy off, they SHOWED this in the previews as an incentive to watch. A lot of people don't like Lillian, so if she were dead, I feel like they'd have used the same ploy here. Anyway, if the only way they can think of to create drama and end 'hated' characters storylines is through unlikely death scenarios, they really need to go take a refresher course in story telling. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 26, 2015 0:55:37 GMT
Yeah, I'd really hate for that to happen. But then again, there was a FB fan club devoted to the demise of Darcy and then he WAS killed off...and Michelle even mentioned this in the book and said 'how thrilled they must have been!' Ugh, Facebook needs to die. It's turned into "trolling among friends". |
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Post by snacky on Oct 26, 2015 0:58:03 GMT
I've been watching the new episodes but haven't been able to spend any time here on the board, twitter,etc. But, as of Wednesday that will change and I am REALLY, REALLY looking forward to being able to waste my time again, analyzing and researching this show to within an inch of it's life. I've been pressed for time, too. Hopefully I get a chance to watch tomorrow night!  |
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Post by oklahomafan on Oct 26, 2015 1:57:59 GMT
Yeah, I'd really hate for that to happen. But then again, there was a FB fan club devoted to the demise of Darcy and then he WAS killed off...and Michelle even mentioned this in the book and said 'how thrilled they must have been!' Ugh, Facebook needs to die. It's turned into "trolling among friends". FB is so disjointed to me. There are those in the early stages of watching (I can't understand why they don't buy the DVDs) then people who just make weird comments. I like that I can get videos there but for my money this is the site for discussing and learning about MM. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 26, 2015 2:13:48 GMT
Ugh, Facebook needs to die. It's turned into "trolling among friends". FB is so disjointed to me. There are those in the early stages of watching (I can't understand why they don't buy the DVDs) then people who just make weird comments. I like that I can get videos there but for my money this is the site for discussing and learning about MM. Another problem with letting fan activity focus on Facebook is that it isn't discoverable via Google search. If *all* you have is a Facebook following, then new viewers get the impression that no one watches the show when they do a Google search. I remember being astounded when I did an image search and only came up with a couple rows of pictures for a 5 season old show. It's not that the images weren't there: they were just going on Tumblr (only slightly farmed by Google), Twitter, and Facebook. Now the image stock has built up a lot! By the way, RandomKiwiBirds should be everyone's MM evangelizing hero for doing the screenshot galleries. |
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Post by lea on Oct 26, 2015 3:52:21 GMT
Yeah, I'd really hate for that to happen. But then again, there was a FB fan club devoted to the demise of Darcy and then he WAS killed off...and Michelle even mentioned this in the book and said 'how thrilled they must have been!' Ugh, Facebook needs to die. It's turned into "trolling among friends". I hate facebook. I literally logged in just to say that |
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Post by lea on Oct 26, 2015 3:54:43 GMT
I'll be upset if they kill Lillian too. Only because I fear it could allow the "haters", (ie: those who posted vitriol on FB, etc. following the (gasp) kiss between Emily and Lillian), to feel smug in the mistaken belief that they've "won" and that TPTB were swayed by their threats to stop watching the show unless the homosexual "agenda" stopped being shoved in their faces, blah, blah, blah. Hopefully I'm wrong. I've been watching the new episodes but haven't been able to spend any time here on the board, twitter,etc. But, as of Wednesday that will change and I am REALLY, REALLY looking forward to being able to waste my time again, analyzing and researching this show to within an inch of it's life. Yeah, I'd really hate for that to happen. But then again, there was a FB fan club devoted to the demise of Darcy and then he WAS killed off...and Michelle even mentioned this in the book and said 'how thrilled they must have been!' Hope they aren't going to rinse and repeat this. But uh, when they killed Darcy off, they SHOWED this in the previews as an incentive to watch. A lot of people don't like Lillian, so if she were dead, I feel like they'd have used the same ploy here. Anyway, if the only way they can think of to create drama and end 'hated' characters storylines is through unlikely death scenarios, they really need to go take a refresher course in story telling. If I'm being honest- the writing has been going down on a slight decline for quite some time, so I'm not so surprised. |
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Post by lea on Oct 26, 2015 3:58:37 GMT
I will be really disappointed in MM if they kill Lillian. The dead lesbian trope is overused and the show is better than that. I hope the trailer isn't what it looks like. I've been watching the new episodes but haven't been able to spend any time here on the board, twitter,etc. But, as of Wednesday that will change and I am REALLY, REALLY looking forward to being able to waste my time again, analyzing and researching this show to within an inch of it's life. Agreed! That's my one dislike about Lillian likely dying. While I'd love to not see her ever again, I really don't want the homophobes to fuel their fire with her death. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 26, 2015 4:05:45 GMT
Yeah, I'd really hate for that to happen. But then again, there was a FB fan club devoted to the demise of Darcy and then he WAS killed off...and Michelle even mentioned this in the book and said 'how thrilled they must have been!' Hope they aren't going to rinse and repeat this. But uh, when they killed Darcy off, they SHOWED this in the previews as an incentive to watch. A lot of people don't like Lillian, so if she were dead, I feel like they'd have used the same ploy here. Anyway, if the only way they can think of to create drama and end 'hated' characters storylines is through unlikely death scenarios, they really need to go take a refresher course in story telling. If I'm being honest- the writing has been going down on a slight decline for quite some time, so I'm not so surprised. Oh I agree. I haven't rewatched the later seasons nearly as much as the earlier ones. Haven't rewatched 8 at all. I think it's a combo of me getting bored and the writers running out of ideas/new twists. The usual. The fact that I'm still faithfully watching this show into S9 (which is a rarity for me) just proves how attached I am to the characters. Still, for some reason I refuse to believe that they are really going to get that hackneyed (again). |
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Post by lea on Oct 26, 2015 4:18:57 GMT
If I'm being honest- the writing has been going down on a slight decline for quite some time, so I'm not so surprised. Oh I agree. I haven't rewatched the later seasons nearly as much as the earlier ones. Haven't rewatched 8 at all. I think it's a combo of me getting bored and the writers running out of ideas/new twists. The usual. The fact that I'm still faithfully watching this show into S9 (which is a rarity for me) just proves how attached I am to the characters. Still, for some reason I refuse to believe that they are really going to get that hackneyed (again). Everything has really turned into Murdoch Mysteries Lite (seriously, I love whoever said this first). As they have progressed they've tried to appeal to more people and be more "family oriented" and I feel they've swayed from what they originally were. I do think they have listened to people who have watched from the earlier seasons and are trying to improve season 9. I hope it turns out well. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 26, 2015 4:37:20 GMT
Oh I agree. I haven't rewatched the later seasons nearly as much as the earlier ones. Haven't rewatched 8 at all. I think it's a combo of me getting bored and the writers running out of ideas/new twists. The usual. The fact that I'm still faithfully watching this show into S9 (which is a rarity for me) just proves how attached I am to the characters. Still, for some reason I refuse to believe that they are really going to get that hackneyed (again). Everything has really turned into Murdoch Mysteries Lite (seriously, I love whoever said this first). As they have progressed they've tried to appeal to more people and be more "family oriented" and I feel they've swayed from what they originally were. I do think they have listened to people who have watched from the earlier seasons and are trying to improve season 9. I hope it turns out well. It was probably Snacky...she also compared it to Disney, that it's been Disneyfied. And yeah, that's another reason why it doesn't appeal to me as much as it used to. It might sound cliched, but the balance between light and dark was a great attraction for me. The darkest episodes of the past few seasons are Julia almost being hung, Julia almost being killed by an axe wielding freak, Julia almost being killed by a bunch of crazies...I'm sensing a theme here...No but seriously, S8 managed to get a bit grittier again in parts, so I'm hoping there's more of that to come. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 26, 2015 6:08:03 GMT
It was probably Snacky...she also compared it to Disney, that it's been Disneyfied. And yeah, that's another reason why it doesn't appeal to me as much as it used to. It might sound cliched, but the balance between light and dark was a great attraction for me. Exactly - I always loved that edgy bit of darkness: angsty William caught between bad choices and working through the regret. The first four seasons were literally darker because it was filmed in a less polished, less well-lighted way. Of course the face make up tended toward orange, but that was a small price to pay. I'm not sure I can take credit for MM Lite. That might be Fallenbelle. But that's a good description of how I felt about it. Especially after defending against the tea and crumpets charge. |
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