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Post by CosmicCavalcade on Oct 27, 2015 5:43:48 GMT
Well she did knock her husband upside the head and then got Lillian to help her drown him...so yeah, I'd say she's capable of murdering the PI in order to protect both herself and Lillian. That would explain why the hubby didn't go after Lillian for 4 months later. It took him that long to find them on his own. Well, he found Lillian first and only found Gladys because of Emily. Good detective work there! But uh, honestly, they really didn't need to kill Lillian off. The hubby could've tried and failed to assassinate her and the story would've played out the same way if Lillian refused to talk about her sordid past. But it would've been less dramatic and heartbreaking. But, would it have been realistic to expect Emily to go off to London with someone who'd lied to her and kept her true identity a secret from her? Besides, Sara Mitich got a great death scene to do...... Maybe...Emily said that she still loved Lillian, even when she thought she was a cheater and murderer. Part of the issue is that it's apparently quite common that women in same sex relationships are killed off as a way to end them. This is what I've heard anyway. Whereas, when it's hetero ships, the writers usually find a way to leave the door open. So, George and Edna ended poorly, but no one died, and she could return at some point for them to try again. Same thing could've been said about Anna. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 27, 2015 5:58:20 GMT
But, would it have been realistic to expect Emily to go off to London with someone who'd lied to her and kept her true identity a secret from her? Besides, Sara Mitich got a great death scene to do...... Maybe...Emily said that she still loved Lillian, even when she thought she was a cheater and murderer. Part of the issue is that it's apparently quite common that women in same sex relationships are killed off as a way to end them. This is what I've heard anyway. Whereas, when it's hetero ships, the writers usually find a way to leave the door open. So, George and Edna ended poorly, but no one died, and she could return at some point for them to try again. Same thing could've been said about Anna. I suppose that's a fair point, but one of the reasons I stopped watching ER years ago was because practically everyone got killed off. MM hasn't had very many character deaths and for that I am thankful. I'm even more thankful that they left the door open for GR to return and didn't kill her off as well. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 27, 2015 6:41:34 GMT
I had the twitter feed going while I watched round 2. Very interesting with Georgina and Sara Mitch tweeting along but I don't know how people can tear themselves away from the action long enough to post!
Excellent episode all around. The writers and cast have outdone themselves, I always look at the tweets after the ep finishes, I couldn't take my eyes off the screen long enough before. The episode still isn't up for me.  Have to make due with the tweets. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 27, 2015 10:46:59 GMT
On my third viewing.......it is breathtaking and an emotional rollercoaster......for the viewer and Emily....... I promised hubby I'd wait for a second viewing until he got home. So, rewatching it just now, we both noted how Daniel Miles (can't remember his real name) stated to his wife that he had to kill anyone who thought he might be alive-which meant Lillian, and perhaps the PI had figured out that he wasn't dead, and Daniel killed the guy. But why was Lillian there? Perhaps Miles knew they were meeting there and beat her to the punch? I'll admit that I don't have lots of evidence for this, but have you guys come up with anything else? I feel like that's a big plot hole to leave... I wonder if something was inadvertently edited out... |
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Post by Lauren guest on Oct 27, 2015 14:14:35 GMT
I didn't like this episode. Mainly because Emily left, and I found that out before the episode even started, so it was a little hard to watch.
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Oct 27, 2015 19:11:31 GMT
For a fairly serious episode-it sure does have it's funny parts.
"It's a very heavy boot"
"That's because the foot's still in it"
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Oct 27, 2015 19:36:23 GMT
I loved how William and Brackenreid both looked at Julia then.
"We're gonna need a coroner"
"What?"
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Post by snacky on Oct 27, 2015 20:02:37 GMT
I promised hubby I'd wait for a second viewing until he got home. So, rewatching it just now, we both noted how Daniel Miles (can't remember his real name) stated to his wife that he had to kill anyone who thought he might be alive-which meant Lillian, and perhaps the PI had figured out that he wasn't dead, and Daniel killed the guy. But why was Lillian there? Perhaps Miles knew they were meeting there and beat her to the punch? I'll admit that I don't have lots of evidence for this, but have you guys come up with anything else? I feel like that's a big plot hole to leave... I wonder if something was inadvertently edited out... Still waiting. |
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Post by MelodyPond101 on Oct 27, 2015 22:15:03 GMT
I liked the episode, but Lillian's death bothered me. I'm sick of the Kill Your Gays trope, especially considering the only other major lgbt lady (Emily) is leaving. No matter how nobly Lillian might have died, and how well-executed it was, you get to a point where you can't really ignore negative patterns and tropes when it comes to minorities. It wouldn't be as bad if there were another living, happy-ish lgbt character on the show (that character wouldn't even have to be front-and-center, just, you know, present in some way). Anyway, I always figured they were going to kill off/disgrace Lillian so that Emily could fall into George's arms, which would be even worse, so I'm glad that's not a thing.
I'm gonna rewatch the ep in a bit. I'll post more thoughts then.
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Post by randomkiwibirds on Oct 27, 2015 22:58:23 GMT
Nothing much more for me to add that hasn't already been said.
Georgiana's acting was just fabulous. Hands down there.
I thought the mystery it'self was rather good. There were an awful lot of secrets that got dragged out into the open. And it kept twisting around, as no one was really giving a straight answer. Noticed a few plot holes--> did they ever track down Lillian/Helens family? And the obvious PI.
Really loved the friendship between both Crabtree and Dr. Grace. And this is why they're much better as friends.
Glad Crabtree's back to being William's assistant. No more awkwardness between him and Henry.
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Post by Evilpeterr on Oct 27, 2015 23:26:27 GMT
We did think long and hard about the whole kill the gay character thing. We were very concerned that anti's would see it as a win and pro's would see it as an insult. But there comes a point when, as a story teller, you can't concern yourself with that. It seemed to all of us that a murder was the most dramatic way to effect a sea change in the series and give Emily a chance to be a detective in her final episode. It gave her a way to investigate the life of a person she had given her heart to and to help solve:avenge that person's murder. It would not have been as interesting or entertaining or moving if the stakes were lower.
Killing a character who, because of her sexuality, has meaning to a portion of the audience is not easy and not lightly entertained. I do maintain that she was not killed because she was gay, but because she injected herself into a relationship. Sadly there are many murders (many more) in the heterosexual community for exactly the same reason
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Post by murdochic on Oct 28, 2015 0:15:55 GMT
The episode was so cliche and I won't be keen to rewatch it any time soon. Emily and Lillian deserved better than they got. Everything else has already been said for me by various other posters.
The only positive things I have to say about is that the acting was brilliant, it was lovely to see Brackenreid be sensitive and less judgemental, and it's nice to see Julia back in the morgue.
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Post by shangas on Oct 28, 2015 0:29:26 GMT
Nice episode, although rather predictable.
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Post by oklahomafan on Oct 28, 2015 1:19:37 GMT
For a fairly serious episode-it sure does have it's funny parts. "It's a very heavy boot" "That's because the foot's still in it" I know I just roared with laughter. |
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Post by oklahomafan on Oct 28, 2015 1:21:41 GMT
I liked the episode, but Lillian's death bothered me. I'm sick of the Kill Your Gays trope, especially considering the only other major lgbt lady (Emily) is leaving. No matter how nobly Lillian might have died, and how well-executed it was, you get to a point where you can't really ignore negative patterns and tropes when it comes to minorities. It wouldn't be as bad if there were another living, happy-ish lgbt character on the show (that character wouldn't even have to be front-and-center, just, you know, present in some way). Anyway, I always figured they were going to kill off/disgrace Lillian so that Emily could fall into George's arms, which would be even worse, so I'm glad that's not a thing. I'm gonna rewatch the ep in a bit. I'll post more thoughts then. They did not kill off Giles bet he comes back even. |
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Have to make due with the tweets. 
