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Post by march on Nov 24, 2015 10:42:39 GMT
I had been mildly irritated for several episodes along, and I felt that I had to say this after watching the latest episode today. I wish to let the producers know that it does not appeal to us, as much as you have wished, to put just some random character on the centre stage. We love characters only because they are interesting, alright? Not because they are women or because they are doctors, etc.
Julia Ogden is elegant and spirited. Emily Grace is witty and funny. That's why so many of us love them. Rebecca came like any other women. She does things like any other women. Her reactions to things are like any other women. Well, I sense you were trying to build a character of a smart and academically strong woman, who fights hard and works hard, blah blah, but haven't Julia and Emily also got those in them, too? Or any other female in the story. Ruby Ogden, for instance, who is also smart and hardworking and brave. Rebecca hardly stands out.
My same comment goes to the new female detective, what's she called, Freddie Pink, yeah. She's awful. I also sense she's introduced into the show to be another recurring role. I hardly think she's going to make it any better. You cannot "spice up" the story unless you are spicy, you know? She's smart, able, I know, I know, but she's not interesting! We have got more than enough of smart and able women on the show already!
What has been up with you, Writers? Why don't you look back at the episode that featured a telephone company girl (I don't remember her name, the girl who messes with George)? That one was a great success. Or you could also look back at the episode in which William Murdoch's half brother Jasper came by? Jasper was a success too. Even if Freddie Pink was a bit like those two...
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Post by Hodge on Nov 24, 2015 16:46:22 GMT
I had been mildly irritated for several episodes along, and I felt that I had to say this after watching the latest episode today. I wish to let the producers know that it does not appeal to us, as much as you have wished, to put just some random character on the centre stage. We love characters only because they are interesting, alright? Not because they are women or because they are doctors, etc. Julia Ogden is elegant and spirited. Emily Grace is witty and funny. That's why so many of us love them. Rebecca came like any other women. She does things like any other women. Her reactions to things are like any other women. Well, I sense you were trying to build a character of a smart and academically strong woman, who fights hard and works hard, blah blah, but haven't Julia and Emily also got those in them, too? Or any other female in the story. Ruby Ogden, for instance, who is also smart and hardworking and brave. Rebecca hardly stands out. My same comment goes to the new female detective, what's she called, Freddie Pink, yeah. She's awful. I also sense she's introduced into the show to be another recurring role. I hardly think she's going to make it any better. You cannot "spice up" the story unless you are spicy, you know? She's smart, able, I know, I know, but she's not interesting! We have got more than enough of smart and able women on the show already! What has been up with you, Writers? Why don't you look back at the episode that featured a telephone company girl (I don't remember her name, the girl who messes with George)? That one was a great success. Or you could also look back at the episode in which William Murdoch's half brother Jasper came by? Jasper was a success too. Even if Freddie Pink was a bit like those two... I think you mean that these characters do not appeal to YOU! You have no right to speak for anyone but yourself so please do not include anyone else in your rant. |
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Post by lovemondays on Nov 24, 2015 20:35:33 GMT
I'm going to disagree with you March.
Rebecca's character has a great deal of developing to do and I am perfectly happy to watch that happen. As a woman in her circumstances, in that era, the "sit back and observe" method of finding her way makes perfect sense. She doesn't have the luxury of coming in guns ablazing. Rebecca is the opposite of Lillian Moss, a character I disliked almost instantly who did come in with a splash.
Yes, Tess Moffat and Jasper Linney were interesting characters and the door is open for more appearances. Why the assumption that Freddie is set to be any different? IMO another detective in Toronto would cause a whole world of forced plot diversions for the writers. I'm pretty sure they've heard us on that issue after last season. Peter Mitchell has said their focus is going back to basics and I believe they have done so based on what we've seen so far.
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Post by murdochic on Nov 24, 2015 21:08:29 GMT
I have no problem with Rebecca's character, she's been very intelligent, capable, and nice. She hasn't had much to do so far so we can't judge her and say she's terrible. I don't think she is terrible, and I'm interested to find out more about her past and her as a person. She isn't hogging screen time so we don't have a reason to not want her around. But I'm hoping she's not a love interest for George, it would feel repetative if he dates another woman from the morgue.
I like Freddie, she's a fun character, but I'm not all that eager to have her recurring too often as we know how too many recurring characters messes with the shows dynamic. But an occasional appearence is fine by me, she's entertaining to watch and the show does feisty women well. I just hope she isn't brought on to be any kind of annoyance in the W/J marriage. And as she reminds me a lot of Emily, I think she's too feisty to be a good love interest for George. There'd also be an age difference; she must be nearing the end of her child bearing years as she's in her early 40's, so if George wanted kids it could be complicated with her as a possible potential wife.
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Post by march on Nov 24, 2015 21:39:49 GMT
I'm going to disagree with you March.
Rebecca's character has a great deal of developing to do and I am perfectly happy to watch that happen. As a woman in her circumstances, in that era, the "sit back and observe" method of finding her way makes perfect sense. She doesn't have the luxury of coming in guns ablazing. Rebecca is the opposite of Lillian Moss, a character I disliked almost instantly who did come in with a splash.
Yes, Tess Moffat and Jasper Linney were interesting characters and the door is open for more appearances. Why the assumption that Freddie is set to be any different? IMO another detective in Toronto would cause a whole world of forced plot diversions for the writers. I'm pretty sure they've heard us on that issue after last season. Peter Mitchell has said their focus is going back to basics and I believe they have done so based on what we've seen so far. Lillian Moss was great. A rather successfully developed character. In the end she took more screen time, but in the past, when she only used a tiny portion of screen time, much less than Rebecca does now, Lillian had already been fully developed. I felt that in the past the Writers were very good at painting a portrait with only a few strokes, but not any longer now, and that surprises me. Given past experiences, Rebecca James has already been given way too many appearances, but we still cannot see something more than half a silhouette. That's not as productive as before. Freddie Pink, same. She gets as much time as Jasper or Tess, if not more, so why are we still in the "wait and see" stage? |
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Post by march on Nov 24, 2015 21:55:44 GMT
I had been mildly irritated for several episodes along, and I felt that I had to say this after watching the latest episode today. I wish to let the producers know that it does not appeal to us, as much as you have wished, to put just some random character on the centre stage. We love characters only because they are interesting, alright? Not because they are women or because they are doctors, etc. Julia Ogden is elegant and spirited. Emily Grace is witty and funny. That's why so many of us love them. Rebecca came like any other women. She does things like any other women. Her reactions to things are like any other women. Well, I sense you were trying to build a character of a smart and academically strong woman, who fights hard and works hard, blah blah, but haven't Julia and Emily also got those in them, too? Or any other female in the story. Ruby Ogden, for instance, who is also smart and hardworking and brave. Rebecca hardly stands out. My same comment goes to the new female detective, what's she called, Freddie Pink, yeah. She's awful. I also sense she's introduced into the show to be another recurring role. I hardly think she's going to make it any better. You cannot "spice up" the story unless you are spicy, you know? She's smart, able, I know, I know, but she's not interesting! We have got more than enough of smart and able women on the show already! What has been up with you, Writers? Why don't you look back at the episode that featured a telephone company girl (I don't remember her name, the girl who messes with George)? That one was a great success. Or you could also look back at the episode in which William Murdoch's half brother Jasper came by? Jasper was a success too. Even if Freddie Pink was a bit like those two... I think you mean that these characters do not appeal to YOU! You have no right to speak for anyone but yourself so please do not include anyone else in your rant. It is too early for you to assume I included you. I did not, and I surely have no interest in including you. Sorry. It is also your premature assumption that I could not speak for someone else. |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 24, 2015 23:35:57 GMT
I think you mean that these characters do not appeal to YOU! You have no right to speak for anyone but yourself so please do not include anyone else in your rant. It is too early for you to assume I included you. I did not, and I surely have no interest in including you. Sorry. It is also your premature assumption that I could not speak for someone else. Excuse me, you included EVERYONE when you said "it does not appeal to us" without clarifying who US is!  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2015 0:40:41 GMT
Lillian Moss was great. A rather successfully developed character. In the end she took more screen time, but in the past, when she only used a tiny portion of screen time, much less than Rebecca does now, Lillian had already been fully developed. I felt that in the past the Writers were very good at painting a portrait with only a few strokes, but not any longer now, and that surprises me. Given past experiences, Rebecca James has already been given way too many appearances, but we still cannot see something more than half a silhouette. That's not as productive as before. Freddie Pink, same. She gets as much time as Jasper or Tess, if not more, so why are we still in the "wait and see" stage? Lillian was always intended as a secondary character. Rebecca has gotten more screen time because the writers may be gradually introducing her as a main character. The show is fine with a main ensemble of 5: Rebecca takes the place of Emily as a female counterpart for Julia. Because Rebecca will be in more episodes, the writers can take their time with developing her character. So far the development has been consistent (unlike Emily), and Rebecca is gradually following an arc that establishes how she could end up working as a morgue assistant. I'm already interested in the patron that died. If it was a wealthy white family, how did they know Rebecca? If it was a wealthy black family, how did they establish their position in New York? Why did Rebecca move to Toronto? It's inherently interesting she is living on her own (just as Julia and Emily were). She may come to ask whether the Canadian suffrage movement will include her. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2015 0:45:17 GMT
I have no problem with Rebecca's character, she's been very intelligent, capable, and nice. She hasn't had much to do so far so we can't judge her and say she's terrible. I don't think she is terrible, and I'm interested to find out more about her past and her as a person. She isn't hogging screen time so we don't have a reason to not want her around. But I'm hoping she's not a love interest for George, it would feel repetative if he dates another woman from the morgue. I like Freddie, she's a fun character, but I'm not all that eager to have her recurring too often as we know how too many recurring characters messes with the shows dynamic. But an occasional appearence is fine by me, she's entertaining to watch and the show does feisty women well. I just hope she isn't brought on to be any kind of annoyance in the W/J marriage. And as she reminds me a lot of Emily, I think she's too feisty to be a good love interest for George. There'd also be an age difference; she must be nearing the end of her child bearing years as she's in her early 40's, so if George wanted kids it could be complicated with her as a possible potential wife. There's also some promise from Freddie's "trouble" that caused her to leave her former employer and her former town all together!  I agree that Freddie should be a side character that shows up when the mystery warrants it. Rebecca has a lot of potential as part of the main ensemble class: let's see what the writers do with her. Does anyone remember a comment here a couple months ago that the character of Rebecca wouldn't be suitable because there were photos of the actor in sexy clothing on Google? All I have to say to that now is: LOL PUNKED!  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2015 1:30:02 GMT
I had been mildly irritated for several episodes along, and I felt that I had to say this after watching the latest episode today. I wish to let the producers know that it does not appeal to us, as much as you have wished, to put just some random character on the centre stage. We love characters only because they are interesting, alright? Not because they are women or because they are doctors, etc. Julia Ogden is elegant and spirited. Emily Grace is witty and funny. That's why so many of us love them. Rebecca came like any other women. She does things like any other women. Her reactions to things are like any other women. Well, I sense you were trying to build a character of a smart and academically strong woman, who fights hard and works hard, blah blah, but haven't Julia and Emily also got those in them, too? Or any other female in the story. Ruby Ogden, for instance, who is also smart and hardworking and brave. Rebecca hardly stands out. My same comment goes to the new female detective, what's she called, Freddie Pink, yeah. She's awful. I also sense she's introduced into the show to be another recurring role. I hardly think she's going to make it any better. You cannot "spice up" the story unless you are spicy, you know? She's smart, able, I know, I know, but she's not interesting! We have got more than enough of smart and able women on the show already! What has been up with you, Writers? Why don't you look back at the episode that featured a telephone company girl (I don't remember her name, the girl who messes with George)? That one was a great success. Or you could also look back at the episode in which William Murdoch's half brother Jasper came by? Jasper was a success too. Even if Freddie Pink was a bit like those two... The "Telephone girl" was Tess: many fans have celebrated Tess over the years and clamored for her return. Freddie is obviously a return of Tess with a different backstory. I look forward to how her character plays out in the future. btw, Freddie reminded me a bit of Annie Oakley, as well. The quiet, studious character of Rebecca may not appeal to you yet - but you certainly aren't speaking for everybody. William was a quiet character as well, and look how he turned out.  Rebecca has a quiet core of strength. She did experiments on morgue evidence herself because she thought she could contribute something. She found a way to go to medical school. She moved to Toronto on her own and lives in the junction. She has a brandy every night - lol.  She doesn't even bother to disguise it as special "tea". She may turn out to have an out-of-the-office different persona: she might change into a different person when she takes off her glasses. The writers have already laid a lot of groundwork for her character, and this hasn't been nearly as random and inconsistent as Emily's backstory. Change is sometimes hard to absorb: and people become attached to the existing character and familiar formulas of their favorite TV show. However, lack of change is boring. I think the writers are handling change in the show responsibly, and I think we're in for some fascinating character development and potential for new arcs.  |
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Post by Hodge on Nov 25, 2015 2:14:48 GMT
I had been mildly irritated for several episodes along, and I felt that I had to say this after watching the latest episode today. I wish to let the producers know that it does not appeal to us, as much as you have wished, to put just some random character on the centre stage. We love characters only because they are interesting, alright? Not because they are women or because they are doctors, etc. Julia Ogden is elegant and spirited. Emily Grace is witty and funny. That's why so many of us love them. Rebecca came like any other women. She does things like any other women. Her reactions to things are like any other women. Well, I sense you were trying to build a character of a smart and academically strong woman, who fights hard and works hard, blah blah, but haven't Julia and Emily also got those in them, too? Or any other female in the story. Ruby Ogden, for instance, who is also smart and hardworking and brave. Rebecca hardly stands out. My same comment goes to the new female detective, what's she called, Freddie Pink, yeah. She's awful. I also sense she's introduced into the show to be another recurring role. I hardly think she's going to make it any better. You cannot "spice up" the story unless you are spicy, you know? She's smart, able, I know, I know, but she's not interesting! We have got more than enough of smart and able women on the show already! What has been up with you, Writers? Why don't you look back at the episode that featured a telephone company girl (I don't remember her name, the girl who messes with George)? That one was a great success. Or you could also look back at the episode in which William Murdoch's half brother Jasper came by? Jasper was a success too. Even if Freddie Pink was a bit like those two... The "Telephone girl" was Tess: many fans have celebrated Tess over the years and clamored for her return. Freddie is obviously a return of Tess with a different backstory. I look forward to how her character plays out in the future. btw, Freddie reminded me a bit of Annie Oakley, as well. The quiet, studious character of Rebecca may not appeal to you yet - but you certainly aren't speaking for everybody. William was a quiet character as well, and look how he turned out. Rebecca has a quiet core of strength. She did experiments on morgue evidence herself because she thought she could contribute something. She found a way to go to medical school. She moved to Toronto on her own and lives in the junction. She has a brandy every night - lol. She doesn't even bother to disguise it as special "tea". She may turn out to have an out-of-the-office different persona: she might change into a different person when she takes off her glasses. The writers have already laid a lot of groundwork for her character, and this hasn't been nearly as random and inconsistent as Emily's backstory. Change is sometimes hard to absorb: and people become attached to the existing character and familiar formulas of their favorite TV show. However, lack of change is boring. I think the writers are handling change in the show responsibly, and I think we're in for some fascinating character development and potential for new arcs. I wasn't keen on the addition of a new character this season; I think I was still on overload from last season, however, I'm really liking Rebecca James. Her character is being introduced gradually and it doesn't feel like we've got a complete character just dumped into our laps as it felt with Emily, then her backstory was never really revealed. The way RJ is being introduced feels right and I'm looking forward to seeing more of her. Freddie Pink however, I can do without. Wasn't keen on her for more than one story. Just because she says she's opening up in Toronto doesn't mean we'll be seeing her again. |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2015 2:42:42 GMT
Freddie Pink however, I can do without. Wasn't keen on her for more than one story. Just because she says she's opening up in Toronto doesn't mean we'll be seeing her again. Tess was just as annoying: I wouldn't have wanted to see her as a regular character, either. Both Tess and Freddie probably seem more annoying because their roles involve being annoying to William. However, in Tess's case, that was softened by the appreciation of George. I think that will happen with Freddie as she becomes more 3-dimensional in future appearances. Toronto needs some detectives for Station House 4 to trip over! |
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Post by evilpete on Nov 25, 2015 3:40:35 GMT
Wow, I get annoyed by your use of "annoying" and the rather liberal definition of the term "plot holes"
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Post by Hodge on Nov 25, 2015 3:53:51 GMT
Wow, I get annoyed by your use of "annoying" and the rather liberal definition of the term "plot holes" LOL! The only thing I find annoying are the annoying new characters! I have noticed lately that people seem to be finding a lot of plot holes. Could that be because they're now looking for them? I don't know why people can't just suspend disbelief for an hour to watch a WORK OF FICTION!  |
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Post by snacky on Nov 25, 2015 4:23:38 GMT
Wow, I get annoyed by your use of "annoying" and the rather liberal definition of the term "plot holes" lol - well at least I'm defending your characters and would like to see more of them. |
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Rebecca has a quiet core of strength. She did experiments on morgue evidence herself because she thought she could contribute something. She found a way to go to medical school. She moved to Toronto on her own and lives in the junction. She has a brandy every night - lol. 
She doesn't even bother to disguise it as special "tea". She may turn out to have an out-of-the-office different persona: she might change into a different person when she takes off her glasses. The writers have already laid a lot of groundwork for her character, and this hasn't been nearly as random and inconsistent as Emily's backstory. 
