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Post by lovemondays on Jan 14, 2016 20:01:18 GMT
Two more picky points to ponder...(not a criticism for the writers, just observations that lead to questions):
1) Why was William applying for a loan at Trader's Bank of Canada when in his own words in Crabtreemania he banks at the Post Office. Ok, I just answered my own question, no loans available at the post office.
2) The funiture man would never have been allowed in the main area of the bank. Deliveries would be at the back and he would NEVER be allowed to interrupt the bank manager talking to a client. It was necessary to set up the Trojan chairs but still...
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Post by lizmc on Jan 14, 2016 20:07:57 GMT
Possibly, but how did he get it there? Wrapped in something hiding inside his briefcase? Did he walk? Take a carriage? Cycle? Take a streetcar? He'd need a block of ice the size of a housebrick if he wanted to do this. That's my feeling. And if he did, where did he put the rest of it that he didn't need? Swallow it? Yes, wrapped in something in his briefcase, with a waterproof container......we don't know how far he had to travel, so how big a piece of ice he'd have started out with is a matter of conjecture......as for the rest of the ice, and its wrapping, he put the moneybags in a vent in the ceiling of a storage cupboard......he could have easily discarded the ice, etc in there.....no one was looking for it at that point and a bit of water in a pail used for cleaning wouldn't be considered odd....... |
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Post by snacky on Jan 14, 2016 22:43:29 GMT
2) The funiture man would never have been allowed in the main area of the bank. Deliveries would be at the back and he would NEVER be allowed to interrupt the bank manager talking to a client. This was yet another element of close timing and luck nothing went wrong. |
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Post by snacky on Jan 14, 2016 22:46:47 GMT
I thought I heard August mentioned at one point. It was filmed in August but the only reference in the ep was the word "summer". Weird time jumpbafter the xmas episode. O.o |
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Post by Hodge on Jan 14, 2016 23:08:43 GMT
It was filmed in August but the only reference in the ep was the word "summer". Weird time jumpbafter the xmas episode. O.o The Christmas 'movie' is a stand alone and not part of this season. |
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Post by carco on Jan 15, 2016 3:47:35 GMT
I was wondering about where the bank interior scenes were shot and Hodge found out that it was in a studio in Kleinburg (just north of Toronto) from the pics on the MM FB site. So I went scrounging in the pics an found out some interesting things. I already knew that the same set had been used as the museum in Dinosaur Fever and the hotel lobby in Murdoch Takes Manhattan. If you'll recall, last summer there were pics of Helene posing as Julia in the Oval Office which sent us all on suppositions about why they were in D.C. It turns out that this studio has the only standing set of the Oval Office in North America....no wonder she posed in there while they were filming Murdoch Takes Manhattan.
I also heard from another MM friend that there isn't enough money to do a "Making of" short for each episode this season.  They are so interesting and full of information so now this Location Queen will have to content herself with finding leads in the captions MM posts with each picture. Wow! You're good lovemondays  |
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Post by carco on Jan 15, 2016 4:35:46 GMT
Two more picky points to ponder...(not a criticism for the writers, just observations that lead to questions):
1) Why was William applying for a loan at Trader's Bank of Canada when in his own words in Crabtreemania he banks at the Post Office. Ok, I just answered my own question, no loans available at the post office.
2) The funiture man would never have been allowed in the main area of the bank. Deliveries would be at the back and he would NEVER be allowed to interrupt the bank manager talking to a client. It was necessary to set up the Trojan chairs but still... 1) I believe Post office Banks were Savings Banks only so wouldn't include lending services. 2) I worked 40+ years with a bank. So yeah, I see your p.o.v. but I tend to take some things on MM as being just pure fun and story telling. Many of the Bank related things they mentioned were tongue in cheek...the $5 give-away for customer loyalty (we did it with Leo Accounts at Royal Bank), the green leather chairs for the "customer is King" (Toronto Dominion). The attitude towards Head Office displayed by the Bank Manager was right on--at least back in the 60's, 70's, etc. Before big corporate size banking took hold, Branch Managers were masters of their Branches....except whenever Head Office decided decided to try something new.....like re-inventing the wheel. In MM, even the paintings hanging on walls of the Bank looked familiar! I bet they came from some old Bank archive! But to get back to your comment, you're right lovemondays, in reality that wouldn't have happened and I cracked up when the mover interrupted the Manager. If nothing else it added to the sense of the normally uptight and in control Branch Manager having his "world" turned upside down by yet another of Head Office's silly "projects".. chairs for customers. Something else...The Manager got the mothers to stand behind the ropes thus officially bringing Canada's first "fast teller line" to a Toronto Bank. They really had a lot of fun with this episode.  |
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Post by carco on Jan 15, 2016 4:38:11 GMT
Possibly, but how did he get it there? Wrapped in something hiding inside his briefcase? Did he walk? Take a carriage? Cycle? Take a streetcar? He'd need a block of ice the size of a housebrick if he wanted to do this. That's my feeling. And if he did, where did he put the rest of it that he didn't need? Swallow it? Yes, wrapped in something in his briefcase, with a waterproof container......we don't know how far he had to travel, so how big a piece of ice he'd have started out with is a matter of conjecture......as for the rest of the ice, and its wrapping, he put the moneybags in a vent in the ceiling of a storage cupboard......he could have easily discarded the ice, etc in there.....no one was looking for it at that point and a bit of water in a pail used for cleaning wouldn't be considered odd....... There was an Ice Cube machine right next to the Bank.......  |
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Post by lovemondays on Jan 15, 2016 15:08:41 GMT
1) I believe Post office Banks were Savings Banks only so wouldn't include lending services. 2) I worked 40+ years with a bank. So yeah, I see your p.o.v. but I tend to take some things on MM as being just pure fun and story telling. Many of the Bank related things they mentioned were tongue in cheek...the $5 give-away for customer loyalty (we did it with Leo Accounts at Royal Bank), the green leather chairs for the "customer is King" (Toronto Dominion). The attitude towards Head Office displayed by the Bank Manager was right on--at least back in the 60's, 70's, etc. Before big corporate size banking took hold, Branch Managers were masters of their Branches....except whenever Head Office decided decided to try something new.....like re-inventing the wheel. In MM, even the paintings hanging on walls of the Bank looked familiar! I bet they came from some old Bank archive! But to get back to your comment, you're right lovemondays, in reality that wouldn't have happened and I cracked up when the mover interrupted the Manager. If nothing else it added to the sense of the normally uptight and in control Branch Manager having his "world" turned upside down by yet another of Head Office's silly "projects".. chairs for customers. Something else...The Manager got the mothers to stand behind the ropes thus officially bringing Canada's first "fast teller line" to a Toronto Bank. They really had a lot of fun with this episode. You are definitely the go-to-girl for this ep Carco! I hadn't picked up all those gotcha references, thanks! Final picky question: why did the branch have printing plates? I know there was no central bank for Canada in 1903 but printing would have been done via the Head Office so the plates should have been there. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 15, 2016 15:09:26 GMT
Soooo....just now got to see this episode today, and I loved it! I can't add much that's really new or that thought provoking right now that hasn't already been said, but as for things being obvious...maybe? I knew the redhead and Roland were involved pretty early on, but it was just figuring out how they were involved that was fun for me. I enjoyed the journey a great deal, and what a happy smiling baby!  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 15, 2016 15:19:12 GMT
I enjoyed this episode very much. It was a very convoluted mystery that kept me guessing. It was also one of the rare episodes that didn't revolve around a murder.
Paul Aitken posted on FB in response to someone saying the episode was predictable:
I absolutely adored the lego gotcha!! William was preparing for a child without even knowing it. 
The B plot, pay by listen and colour commentary were hilarious! Well done to the writing team for linking the 2 plotlines together so neatly and logically.
I was surprised the bank robber waited for his girlfriend after he hijacked a car. They must be doing well if he knew how to drive! The fact he cared enough to wait and got out of the car when she died makes me think there is more to their story. Yeah, she seemed to have some care for the baby, but her lack of concern during the final scene was eyebrow raising.  The last thing I would be doing around my baby is to get into a standoff with guns or to have my hostage push the baby out of the building for me... or even involve my baby in such a scheme in the first place. That, and their actions toward one another makes me suspect that the baby isn't theirs-but that maybe she did have some feelings for Roland despite not being his mother? There's something not adding up here which we may soon hear more about. I agree-there was something rather Bonnie and Clyde about them. I suspect that we'll hear more about them soon. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Jan 15, 2016 15:41:37 GMT
1) The angst factor...keep us all in suspense for a bit
2) Two parents who both work long hours so they will need a nanny...who can bring the little one to the morgue for regular visits with mommy. 
3) They are going to need a house pronto so no time for William to build one...he can modify an existing home over time.
4) There may in fact be a biological father who comes to claim the baby. It was only implied that Joanne Perly and Nigel Braxton were married. That scene at the bottom of the bank steps looked more like Bonnie and Clyde, who didn't have a baby. Maybe little Roland had been kidnapped as part of the Baby Day ruse so there could be parents wanting him back.
5) William's religion may be a hiccup. My guess is the lady who came to get Roland was from a Protestant orphanage and they would not be likely to allow a Catholic to adopt a child through them. Until those papers are signed it's not a done deal.
My feeling is that it is too soon for a baby. The required bits of family time would feel forced, not to mention adding a new character with the nanny. Peter Mitchell has alluded to a very sad episode that could well be William and Julia having to give the baby back. I am holding out hope that Julia gets pregnant but that can wait for another season or the series finale.
William looked soooo dubious! He knows he's going to regret always letting Julia have her way. Caution is in his blood! Interesting point about religious obstacles. Julia may be able to bring the baby to work with her. It's probably also possible to hire a nanny from the hotel staff. If not, I read somewhere that suites could have servant's quarters linked to them. Did anyone else think that baby was really huge? That felt symbolic, lol. I noticed his concern at the rash decision as well, but then I immediately also thought that this is someone who has learned that being being overly cautious around Julia has caused some pain in the past, so he recognized that this was his chance and just jumped? I think religious obstacles might be a concern, but yeah, I don't think this is a done deal and perhaps they lose little Roland for some reason...which buys the show some time for not having a baby (which does complicate things) as the Murdochs' are grieving and not in the market. A proverbial kicking the can down the road if you will... |
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Post by carco on Jan 18, 2016 0:27:09 GMT
1) I believe Post office Banks were Savings Banks only so wouldn't include lending services. 2) I worked 40+ years with a bank. So yeah, I see your p.o.v. but I tend to take some things on MM as being just pure fun and story telling. Many of the Bank related things they mentioned were tongue in cheek...the $5 give-away for customer loyalty (we did it with Leo Accounts at Royal Bank), the green leather chairs for the "customer is King" (Toronto Dominion). The attitude towards Head Office displayed by the Bank Manager was right on--at least back in the 60's, 70's, etc. Before big corporate size banking took hold, Branch Managers were masters of their Branches....except whenever Head Office decided decided to try something new.....like re-inventing the wheel. In MM, even the paintings hanging on walls of the Bank looked familiar! I bet they came from some old Bank archive! But to get back to your comment, you're right lovemondays, in reality that wouldn't have happened and I cracked up when the mover interrupted the Manager. If nothing else it added to the sense of the normally uptight and in control Branch Manager having his "world" turned upside down by yet another of Head Office's silly "projects".. chairs for customers. Something else...The Manager got the mothers to stand behind the ropes thus officially bringing Canada's first "fast teller line" to a Toronto Bank. They really had a lot of fun with this episode. You are definitely the go-to-girl for this ep Carco! I hadn't picked up all those gotcha references, thanks! Final picky question: why did the branch have printing plates? I know there was no central bank for Canada in 1903 but printing would have been done via the Head Office so the plates should have been there. Well, as far as Cdn Bank History goes, I've forgotten most of what I ever knew such as this point mentioned by another Banker fan Brian Laufman @blaufman .@cbcmurdoch Canadian banks issued their own notes $4 and up until The Bank of Canada printed paper $ in the mid 1930. #MurdochMysteriesSo they'd definitely keep the printing plates in the vault (NOT the dinner plates George was running around with ) |
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Post by nia on Feb 3, 2016 4:53:00 GMT
William looked soooo dubious! He knows he's going to regret always letting Julia have her way. Caution is in his blood! Interesting point about religious obstacles. Julia may be able to bring the baby to work with her. It's probably also possible to hire a nanny from the hotel staff. If not, I read somewhere that suites could have servant's quarters linked to them. Did anyone else think that baby was really huge? That felt symbolic, lol. I noticed his concern at the rash decision as well, but then I immediately also thought that this is someone who has learned that being being overly cautious around Julia has caused some pain in the past, so he recognized that this was his chance and just jumped? I think religious obstacles might be a concern, but yeah, I don't think this is a done deal and perhaps they lose little Roland for some reason...which buys the show some time for not having a baby (which does complicate things) as the Murdochs' are grieving and not in the market. A proverbial kicking the can down the road if you will... |
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Post by nia on Feb 3, 2016 4:54:53 GMT
The Murdochs seem like loving parents, but I also think the "sad" moment will be them having them give him up to the baby's biological relatives.
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They are so interesting and full of information so now this Location Queen will have to content herself with finding leads in the captions MM posts with each picture.
The last thing I would be doing around my baby is to get into a standoff with guns or to have my hostage push the baby out of the building for me... or even involve my baby in such a scheme in the first place. That, and their actions toward one another makes me suspect that the baby isn't theirs-but that maybe she did have some feelings for Roland despite not being his mother? There's something not adding up here which we may soon hear more about. 