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Post by snacky on Mar 22, 2016 7:55:25 GMT
I'm not sure why killing Worsley was necessary, unless he walked in on something he shouldn't have seen. Because once they tweeted "SOMEONE WILL DIE!", they had to follow through with a non-main character. I think I predicted Jackson way back when. Worsley was such a non-presence, he never really occured to me. Since William was unconscious, and Worsley was looking for a male suspect, I don't understand how he even ended up in William's room...? He promised not to leave his post while George and Jackson were away, so even a random room check doesn't make sense.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 22, 2016 9:15:55 GMT
Okay, I was seriously bummed about Constable Worsely, but it appears that it was his call. Also, very vague spoilers about season 10 and general musings on how they make the show. www.tv-eh.com/2016/03/21/murdoch-mysteries-season-9-end-and-whats-to-come-in-season-10/What I found interesting is that they had the idea of William being kidnapped by someone and being held captive along with sexual overtones before they even had the idea of using Eva... or that they plan the season in three acts and don't really know where the season will end when they begin planning it. Very interesting... |
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Post by murdochic on Mar 22, 2016 12:52:53 GMT
I'm glad to hear it was Sean's idea to be killed off. It would have been sad if Worsley had been axed for plot reasons. Though I actually do notice the background constables and losing Worsley will seem as weird as when we lost Hodge.
As for the ending to the episode, it's not the first time a season has ended on a positive or quite positive note. Not every season has had a cliffhanger and to be honest I liked that we got a break from that this year. We don't have to worry about who is returning in S10 because we already know for certain.
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 22, 2016 13:40:49 GMT
I'm glad to hear it was Sean's idea to be killed off. It would have been sad if Worsley had been axed for plot reasons. Though I actually do notice the background constables and losing Worsley will seem as weird as when we lost Hodge. As for the ending to the episode, it's not the first time a season has ended on a positive or quite positive note. Not every season has had a cliffhanger and to be honest I liked that we got a break from that this year. We don't have to worry about who is returning in S10 because we already know for certain. I was relieved to hear that as well-I was hoping they hadn't axed him solely for shock factor and am glad to hear that wasn't the case. I'm happy that the episode wasn't a cliffhanger this year either, that's a nice change. Now, we're free to speculate all summer! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 22, 2016 14:00:21 GMT
I lost it with the Misery sendup. I hate that movie and pretty much all torture porn! I seriously couldn't stand to watch it for fear that she was going to break his legs-granted she got the hand, but that was nowhere near as bad as I was fearing. I'll pay closer attention now that I know I'm not going to be subjected to too much violence and torture. I have to agree with you on this. I was very disappointed in this turn in Eva's personality. I've never thought of her as a crazy woman in love: I wanted Eva to be a brilliant mastermind who used wiles to get what she wants. This episode really reduced her character to cliches. Something about it seemed like 2 shows packed into one. The first show was about solving the mystery of who shot Julia. The second show was Julia Rides Out for Revenge. In a way the entire episode was to get Julia into men's clothes and let her rescue William. That's a great visual, but the plot didn't justify it. I also expected Eva to up her game by teaming up with someone: if not the Black Hand, then another super villain from the Murdoch rogues gallery. Also I was disappointed the season ended with a "one off": there was no arc from the last few episodes or a cliffhanger to serve as a bridge to the next season. It almost felt like they ran out of time at the end of the season and had to get the last episode done in half the time. The magic homburg actually had more continuity than Eva's character: when George found it, William was officially in peril.  Now if, as Evil Pete suggested, William discovered (and ignored) clues that Julia was a serial killer, that would have been quite a note to end the season on...  I agree with you to a point. Eva the woman in love was a surprise to me as well, but if this was already a woman who's used to getting any man she wants, and one just isn't interested, it might be a breaking point for a woman not completely mentally there. It's a bit of a stretch, but it's one I can kind of buy for the sake of the story. But I admit, it was quite jarring to see at first. I did enjoy the sexual element to the story-I wish MM would explore sexual matters more often. I do agree that this seemed like two shows in one. But, while a bit crammed, I enjoyed it a great deal. It's also just nice to not have a cliffhanger. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 22, 2016 14:04:04 GMT
Strange ending? Maybe Murdoch married a murderer? Plot. Twist. That fanfic about Julia being a murderer and all those women we never saw again is coming true! I'm glad to see that you still remember that fic. You were the one who gave me the plot bunny. |
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Post by murdochic on Mar 22, 2016 14:33:22 GMT
I have to agree with you on this. I was very disappointed in this turn in Eva's personality. I've never thought of her as a crazy woman in love: I wanted Eva to be a brilliant mastermind who used wiles to get what she wants. This episode really reduced her character to cliches. Something about it seemed like 2 shows packed into one. The first show was about solving the mystery of who shot Julia. The second show was Julia Rides Out for Revenge. In a way the entire episode was to get Julia into men's clothes and let her rescue William. That's a great visual, but the plot didn't justify it. I also expected Eva to up her game by teaming up with someone: if not the Black Hand, then another super villain from the Murdoch rogues gallery. Also I was disappointed the season ended with a "one off": there was no arc from the last few episodes or a cliffhanger to serve as a bridge to the next season. It almost felt like they ran out of time at the end of the season and had to get the last episode done in half the time. The magic homburg actually had more continuity than Eva's character: when George found it, William was officially in peril. Now if, as Evil Pete suggested, William discovered (and ignored) clues that Julia was a serial killer, that would have been quite a note to end the season on... I agree with you to a point. Eva the woman in love was a surprise to me as well, but if this was already a woman who's used to getting any man she wants, and one just isn't interested, it might be a breaking point for a woman not completely mentally there. It's a bit of a stretch, but it's one I can kind of buy for the sake of the story. But I admit, it was quite jarring to see at first. I did enjoy the sexual element to the story-I wish MM would explore sexual matters more often. I do agree that this seemed like two shows in one. But, while a bit crammed, I enjoyed it a great deal. It's also just nice to not have a cliffhanger. Eva wasn't in love with William, she was obsessed with him. She couldn't manipulate him like she could other men, and he belongs to Julia: her female nemisis, so those two things made William someone she wanted to have sexual control over, which she convinced her mentally ill mind was love. She would've killed him if he'd kept rejecting her, and if Julia hadn't come to the rescue. That is why Julia went there because she knew what was going on in Eva's mind. |
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Post by tanhere on Mar 22, 2016 14:36:06 GMT
Poor writing in the final episode to many mistakes. You are entitled to your opinion without having obsessed fans make snarky remarks on your spelling and grammar like I saw in a previous reply. This is my first time logging in to this forum in months and clearly some of the members here cannot grasp that Murdoch Mysteries is a tv show and not real. So when someone has a negative comment they have to attack. Sorry for some of the members here who can be so childish. Also, most of those members are the same ones to critique the show and writer himself when they deem necessary which is funny. Can, your comments are valid here if you can ignore the majority of uppity ups.  |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 22, 2016 15:17:14 GMT
Poor writing in the final episode to many mistakes. You are entitled to your opinion without having obsessed fans make snarky remarks on your spelling and grammar like I saw in a previous reply. This is my first time logging in to this forum in months and clearly some of the members here cannot grasp that Murdoch Mysteries is a tv show and not real. So when someone has a negative comment they have to attack. Sorry for some of the members here who can be so childish. Also, most of those members are the same ones to critique the show and writer himself when they deem necessary which is funny. Can, your comments are valid here if you can ignore the majority of uppity ups. I merely found it interesting that they came to merely state their dislike without offering any reasons as to why they thought it was poor. Was my reply snippy? Sure. But then, I thought that their post was quite rude as well. This is a discussion forum after all and we generally give reasons for our opinions and not just make attacks with no rationale. Also, you seem to think that because many of us disagreed with you months ago, you perceive it as a personal attack on you when it was not and I do apologize if you perceived it to be as such. I do not believe that anyone here intended as such as it's entirely possible to disagree with someone and still bear them no ill will. But if you harbor such ill will towards us, why, if I may ask, do you still come here if we're such "uppity ups"? Yes, we critique aspects of the show and such, but as you have seen in the comments, everyone who posted here has offered constructive criticism and we give reasons for why we don't like certain things while discussing what we enjoyed. We critique and discuss the shows, and that's not the same as insulting them as you have charged. As you have seen, many of us have wondered and asked questions concerning certain plot points, and other members have often given us insights that have often changed our minds, or answered our questions. That's what discussion does. You're right, it's just a tv show and not real, which is why I wonder you took a difference of opinion months ago so personally. You're welcome here, and you're welcome to your opinion, but just remember, this is a discussion board, not the MM Facebook Page. There's a fundamental difference between the two formats. |
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Post by Terence's Top Hat on Mar 22, 2016 15:22:06 GMT
I lost it with the Misery sendup. I hate that movie and pretty much all torture porn! I seriously couldn't stand to watch it for fear that she was going to break his legs-granted she got the hand, but that was nowhere near as bad as I was fearing. I'll pay closer attention now that I know I'm not going to be subjected to too much violence and torture. I have to agree with you on this. I was very disappointed in this turn in Eva's personality. I've never thought of her as a crazy woman in love: I wanted Eva to be a brilliant mastermind who used wiles to get what she wants. This episode really reduced her character to cliches. Something about it seemed like 2 shows packed into one. The first show was about solving the mystery of who shot Julia. The second show was Julia Rides Out for Revenge. In a way the entire episode was to get Julia into men's clothes and let her rescue William. That's a great visual, but the plot didn't justify it. I also expected Eva to up her game by teaming up with someone: if not the Black Hand, then another super villain from the Murdoch rogues gallery. Also I was disappointed the season ended with a "one off": there was no arc from the last few episodes or a cliffhanger to serve as a bridge to the next season. It almost felt like they ran out of time at the end of the season and had to get the last episode done in half the time. The magic homburg actually had more continuity than Eva's character: when George found it, William was officially in peril. :-X Now if, as Evil Pete suggested, William discovered (and ignored) clues that Julia was a serial killer, that would have been quite a note to end the season on... ??? I don't know if I did quotes right haha. Anyhoo, I agree with you both. That was not the Eva from previous episodes. I also found it hard to believe that after being shot (was there three shots?) in the stomach, Julia could go riding off for two days to rescue Murdoch--and then get into a battle with Eva. That boggled my mind. Her bandage clearly showed she was losing blood. Someone mentioned Eva getting one of her beaus she'd manipulated to help, and I thought she would have too. I would have preferred if Murdoch was kidnapped and Julia went to find him--that I could believe. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Mar 22, 2016 15:34:53 GMT
I agree with you to a point. Eva the woman in love was a surprise to me as well, but if this was already a woman who's used to getting any man she wants, and one just isn't interested, it might be a breaking point for a woman not completely mentally there. It's a bit of a stretch, but it's one I can kind of buy for the sake of the story. But I admit, it was quite jarring to see at first. I did enjoy the sexual element to the story-I wish MM would explore sexual matters more often. I do agree that this seemed like two shows in one. But, while a bit crammed, I enjoyed it a great deal. It's also just nice to not have a cliffhanger. Eva wasn't in love with William, she was obsessed with him. She couldn't manipulate him like she could other men, and he belongs to Julia: her female nemisis, so those two things made William someone she wanted to have sexual control over, which she convinced her mentally ill mind was love. She would've killed him if he'd kept rejecting her, and if Julia hadn't come to the rescue. That is why Julia went there because she knew what was going on in Eva's mind. I actually agree with you concerning Eva-the exact description was eluding me and you phrased it better than I did. She wasn't actually in love with William (she just thought she was), rather she was obsessed, and to top it off, he was married to her rival. Yes, she would have eventually killed William if he'd kept rejecting her, and yes, I suspect that Julia knew that which is why she was hellbent on getting there despite her condition. Still, just as William had been loyal to her in the hospital, she was to him as well. Actually, suppose for a moment if Eva had actually had William? Would she have kept him long term? I think not. William was the ultimate trophy and represented her greatest failures. Once she'd achieved that goal, I think she would have gotten rid of him pretty quickly. Not only did he not want her, but I think William knew that as well. He was a toy to her. At first, I really had trouble seeing where sociopath, manipulative Eva had become psychopath, murdering Eva who would stop at nothing to get what she wanted, but I can better see it now. I still don't think it was as clear as it should have been, but given the time constraints and that it still seems a bit forced to me, I'm willing to accept it.  |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 22, 2016 15:36:01 GMT
I finished the episode. Not bad. I felt it was a bit rushed, though. Like it should've been a two-parter kind of thing? I liked that Julia was the avenging archer, though. That was cool. Although I feel that she really didn't fight back hard enough with Eva. Why on earth did she stop after one arrow? I'm not sure what else I can say about the episode. I'm not sure why killing Worsley was necessary, unless he walked in on something he shouldn't have seen. That said, Worsley was hardly even a secondary character in this show, so his absence in the future will hardly be noticed. Sean Harraher who plays Worsley asked to be killed so they gave him his wish. Perhaps they couldn't fit it into another episode. |
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Post by Hodge on Mar 22, 2016 15:51:08 GMT
Eva wasn't in love with William, she was obsessed with him. She couldn't manipulate him like she could other men, and he belongs to Julia: her female nemisis, so those two things made William someone she wanted to have sexual control over, which she convinced her mentally ill mind was love. She would've killed him if he'd kept rejecting her, and if Julia hadn't come to the rescue. That is why Julia went there because she knew what was going on in Eva's mind. I totally agree with you on this. Eva was used to getting what she wanted. She was always manipulative and once William knew how she worked he wasn't playing along and became a challenge to her. I suspect that once incarcerated in Ward C she became unhinged, I think anyone would, and she became obsessed with him. She obviously blamed Julia, both for William not being interested and being ignored in Ward C, even though she herself had manipulated the insanity verdict. If he had continued rejecting her she would have had no compunction whatsoever to kill him. Julia knew exactly what Eva was going to do. |
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Post by lea on Mar 22, 2016 16:28:06 GMT
I finished the episode. Not bad. I felt it was a bit rushed, though. Like it should've been a two-parter kind of thing? I liked that Julia was the avenging archer, though. That was cool. Although I feel that she really didn't fight back hard enough with Eva. Why on earth did she stop after one arrow? I'm not sure what else I can say about the episode. I'm not sure why killing Worsley was necessary, unless he walked in on something he shouldn't have seen. That said, Worsley was hardly even a secondary character in this show, so his absence in the future will hardly be noticed. For sure! |
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Post by tanhere on Mar 22, 2016 18:01:39 GMT
You are entitled to your opinion without having obsessed fans make snarky remarks on your spelling and grammar like I saw in a previous reply. This is my first time logging in to this forum in months and clearly some of the members here cannot grasp that Murdoch Mysteries is a tv show and not real. So when someone has a negative comment they have to attack. Sorry for some of the members here who can be so childish. Also, most of those members are the same ones to critique the show and writer himself when they deem necessary which is funny. Can, your comments are valid here if you can ignore the majority of uppity ups. I merely found it interesting that they came to merely state their dislike without offering any reasons as to why they thought it was poor. Was my reply snippy? Sure. But then, I thought that their post was quite rude as well. This is a discussion forum after all and we generally give reasons for our opinions and not just make attacks with no rationale. Also, you seem to think that because many of us disagreed with you months ago, you perceive it as a personal attack on you when it was not and I do apologize if you perceived it to be as such. I do not believe that anyone here intended as such as it's entirely possible to disagree with someone and still bear them no ill will. But if you harbor such ill will towards us, why, if I may ask, do you still come here if we're such "uppity ups"? Yes, we critique aspects of the show and such, but as you have seen in the comments, everyone who posted here has offered constructive criticism and we give reasons for why we don't like certain things while discussing what we enjoyed. We critique and discuss the shows, and that's not the same as insulting them as you have charged. As you have seen, many of us have wondered and asked questions concerning certain plot points, and other members have often given us insights that have often changed our minds, or answered our questions. That's what discussion does. You're right, it's just a tv show and not real, which is why I wonder you took a difference of opinion months ago so personally. You're welcome here, and you're welcome to your opinion, but just remember, this is a discussion board, not the MM Facebook Page. There's a fundamental difference between the two formats. The post may have seemed rude, but it was their opinion not necessarily an attack. You attacking the person's grammar however, was unnecessary and had nothing to do with the discussion of the show. Also, I didn't regard any disagreements as a personal. I simply took a break from the site because at times, a lot of members seem to think they know best and almost seem to be telling the writers, producers etc.. how to do their job. There is one thing to give an honest critique but I have seen it go past that which left me feeling frustrated and embarrassed. That is not directed at you, just in general. Lastly, I don't frequent the MM facebook page a lot but I have seen some wonderful and intelligent discussions there as well as here, and also some childish stuff. Some posts can seem condescending and snarky because we can't hear it being said and some are as plain as day that it is meant to be taken in that way. Anyway, I am not here to cause trouble. I was a little ticked when I saw that and wanted to say something and my apologies for the name calling, because that behavior isn't any better. Hope everyone is having a good day! |
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