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Post by snacky on Oct 24, 2016 3:14:45 GMT
I've been thinking about this,\ Most if not all episodes have a hidden clue in what someone, usually W, says. In the opening scene at the ball W is about to ask G if Rodney Strong is a homosexual when G cuts him off. I've come to the conclusion this is the clue. \ Wow you made a good call on this even though the motive wasn't what you thought it was. Though perhaps the writers wanted to hint (but didn't hint strongly enough) that Trevor was batting for both teams. That would explain how a gardener managed to make friends with Rodney and get the money to dress so sharply. Perhaps this is also the reason that Rodney was eager to go to England: he would be with both Trevor and his wife, and the scandal wouldn't come out in Canada. While the episode exhonerated Rodney of complicity, he could have actually been in on it. If this was the case, I wish the writers had laid a few more hints/suggestions to enable the audience to draw those sorts of conclusions. As it is, I think the writers were using the cut off remark as another red herring - so viewers would think that Rodney didn't want William investigating his bedroom because he would find it was never used, or something like that. This would turn our suspicions to Rodney, and perhaps Trevor -- and away from the bride. The three-way would have made Rodney's rush to go to England more understandable, though. As it is, viewers were given to understand that Rodney made huge sacrifices for his family. How could he suddenly leave them to live in England? |
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Post by snacky on Oct 24, 2016 3:16:38 GMT
Most if not all episodes have a hidden clue Well I was half right. You know it's a good episode when our speculations turn out to be "half right". That means the writers led us well, but they still surprised us in the end. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 24, 2016 3:27:16 GMT
because you know she was trying to kill herself? If William is confessing personal matters to Brax, shit's serious. Has he ever done that before? No, really. I wanna know. If kissing another man's wife were a crime you'd have done time, William. Notice how they keep mentioning that?
If he loved you, he would never have let you marry another? Ouch, Julia. That was a zinger. OMG, I missed that!!!! That was a zinger!!!! This does allude to Julia's ongoing insecurity. Perhaps "Eva" isn't as over as it looks. Though, Julia always seems the slightly colder one to me. I suppose William's analytical mind (we used to speculate on Asperger's) might make him distant. However, there's no evidence of that at all in the episodes. William seems very attentive and committed to his marriage. He even seemed rather uncomfortable with Roland at first. There's no sign at all that he'd rather be in a traditional marriage, surrounded by squealing and squalling babies. Could this be leading up to Julia undergoing psychoanalysis? Did Freud or Jung ever visit Canada? This is giving me a fond flashback of Julia practicing analysis on William in WiLW. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 24, 2016 3:30:42 GMT
Williams face when Lady Atherly and the Strongs appeared at the other side of the door with alcohol and tons of excitement! This implied a major class difference for me. The wealthy are supposed to be always formal and politely mannered but their "shared joke" is they can pop in on each other while still in their tea gowns and drink champagne straight out of the bottle. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 24, 2016 3:47:49 GMT
If he loved you, he would never have let you marry another? Ouch, Julia. That was a zinger. OMG, I missed that!!!! That was a zinger!!!! I was thinking about this last night as I rewatched the ep. If this was meant as a dig at W surely they would have cut to him to see his reaction as she said this. As it was we never saw his face during that whole scene after he'd given her the look to go ahead and talk Elizabeth out of killing her mother. I'm thinking we're reading much more into this than was meant. |
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Post by snacky on Oct 24, 2016 4:08:54 GMT
OMG, I missed that!!!! That was a zinger!!!! I was thinking about this last night as I rewatched the ep. If this was meant as a dig at W surely they would have cut to him to see his reaction as she said this. As it was we never saw his face during that whole scene after he'd given her the look to go ahead and talk Elizabeth out of killing her mother. I'm thinking we're reading much more into this than was meant. It wouldn't be the first time the writers showed unfamiliarity with the history of their own show. However, I'm hoping this one was deliberate. There really wasn't space in the show to deal with William's reaction. Or, perhaps not showing William's reaction was meant to underscore he's oblivious to Julia's buried feelings. |
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Post by lea on Oct 24, 2016 6:45:22 GMT
OMG, I missed that!!!! That was a zinger!!!! I was thinking about this last night as I rewatched the ep. If this was meant as a dig at W surely they would have cut to him to see his reaction as she said this. As it was we never saw his face during that whole scene after he'd given her the look to go ahead and talk Elizabeth out of killing her mother. I'm thinking we're reading much more into this than was meant. I also felt like it was simply worded without the consideration of their past. I wouldn't mind it going somewhere but I think fanfics is the only place we'll see that comment hashed out. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 24, 2016 12:41:15 GMT
because you know she was trying to kill herself? If William is confessing personal matters to Brax, shit's serious. Has he ever done that before? No, really. I wanna know. If kissing another man's wife were a crime you'd have done time, William. Notice how they keep mentioning that?
If he loved you, he would never have let you marry another? Ouch, Julia. That was a zinger. OMG, I missed that!!!! That was a zinger!!!! This does allude to Julia's ongoing insecurity. Perhaps "Eva" isn't as over as it looks. Though, Julia always seems the slightly colder one to me. I suppose William's analytical mind (we used to speculate on Asperger's) might make him distant. However, there's no evidence of that at all in the episodes. William seems very attentive and committed to his marriage. He even seemed rather uncomfortable with Roland at first. There's no sign at all that he'd rather be in a traditional marriage, surrounded by squealing and squalling babies. Could this be leading up to Julia undergoing psychoanalysis? Did Freud or Jung ever visit Canada? This is giving me a fond flashback of Julia practicing analysis on William in WiLW. PM has said no Freud because he never visited Canada. I honestly don't know about Jung, but that's not to say that another devotee well versed in either of them couldn't swing by and do some psychoanalysis. In fact, I'd love that! |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 24, 2016 12:45:02 GMT
I was thinking about this last night as I rewatched the ep. If this was meant as a dig at W surely they would have cut to him to see his reaction as she said this. As it was we never saw his face during that whole scene after he'd given her the look to go ahead and talk Elizabeth out of killing her mother. I'm thinking we're reading much more into this than was meant. I also felt like it was simply worded without the consideration of their past. I wouldn't mind it going somewhere but I think fanfics is the only place we'll see that comment hashed out. In a not so subtle plug for the collaboration between Ruthie Green and myself, stay tuned on this very topic! Chapter 3 is up, and chapter 4 (final chapter) is done and just awaiting her approval on last minute edits before it gets posted. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 24, 2016 12:54:14 GMT
You know it's a good episode when our speculations turn out to be "half right". That means the writers led us well, but they still surprised us in the end. I would agree with this. I enjoyed part one more than part two, but I liked both of them quite well. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 24, 2016 12:57:51 GMT
because you know she was trying to kill herself? If William is confessing personal matters to Brax, shit's serious. Has he ever done that before? No, really. I wanna know. If kissing another man's wife were a crime you'd have done time, William. Notice how they keep mentioning that?
If he loved you, he would never have let you marry another? Ouch, Julia. That was a zinger. OMG, I missed that!!!! That was a zinger!!!! This does allude to Julia's ongoing insecurity. Perhaps "Eva" isn't as over as it looks. Though, Julia always seems the slightly colder one to me. I suppose William's analytical mind (we used to speculate on Asperger's) might make him distant. However, there's no evidence of that at all in the episodes. William seems very attentive and committed to his marriage. He even seemed rather uncomfortable with Roland at first. There's no sign at all that he'd rather be in a traditional marriage, surrounded by squealing and squalling babies. I don't think William ever really exactly what having a family would entail to be honest. Having Roland forced him to confront some truths that he hadn't been admitting to, I suspect, and altered what he meant by he wanted a family. If you think about it, when he's fantasized about a family, he's always thought of an older child, not a baby. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Oct 24, 2016 13:00:00 GMT
I was thinking about this last night as I rewatched the ep. If this was meant as a dig at W surely they would have cut to him to see his reaction as she said this. As it was we never saw his face during that whole scene after he'd given her the look to go ahead and talk Elizabeth out of killing her mother. I'm thinking we're reading much more into this than was meant. It wouldn't be the first time the writers showed unfamiliarity with the history of their own show. However, I'm hoping this one was deliberate. There really wasn't space in the show to deal with William's reaction. Or, perhaps not showing William's reaction was meant to underscore he's oblivious to Julia's buried feelings. Or maybe that bit was hashed out later in their suite when they finally got everything about the last few months out in the open. Th end features a Jilliam that has clearly been through some sort of healing/counseling. |
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Post by Hodge on Oct 24, 2016 13:45:16 GMT
It wouldn't be the first time the writers showed unfamiliarity with the history of their own show. However, I'm hoping this one was deliberate. There really wasn't space in the show to deal with William's reaction. Or, perhaps not showing William's reaction was meant to underscore he's oblivious to Julia's buried feelings. Or maybe that bit was hashed out later in their suite when they finally got everything about the last few months out in the open. Th end features a Jilliam that has clearly been through some sort of healing/counseling. I'm not sure about counseling but definitely healing. Julia had obviously been thinking about what William said with regard to acting on instinct as she was almost her old self when she came out of the bedroom when William was going through previous offenders case files. William would just be happy to have some semblance of the old Julia back so I see him getting over it almost immediately. |
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Post by Lucy on Jan 10, 2017 19:11:08 GMT
I'm watching this episode now!! Loving it so far!.
I don't want to read all the other posts just yet as I don't want to spoil it!
I'm hoping George's girlfriend sticks around! :-)
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Post by lizmc on Apr 19, 2017 11:28:21 GMT
Today is the anniversary of The Great Toronto Fire:
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