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Post by Lucy on May 11, 2011 8:33:00 GMT
I think that in a way Julia was to blame more so than William. He got that letter and he obviously must not think that she loves him still, I too can understand why he did what he did.
Julia should have been the one to decide who she wanted to be with and it appears that she has made her decision. But, I also understand her predicament(sp?) Whoever she was going to marry would end up hurting the other person anyway.
Going on what happened in the alternative ending for season 3 they have left it open for another season. If there was not going to be another one then they would have aired the ending in which everything turns out ok and everyone's happy (at least I think that's what they would do?)
But, then again I don't know how William is going to return as Detective unless Brackenreid won't let him leave in the first place. We can't have Murdoch Mysteries without Det. William Murdoch!! Gahhh it's going to be a long wait until next February!
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Post by agentsparky on May 11, 2011 9:17:52 GMT
Haven't posted before but thought I'd join in the discussion. I have to agree with akarana. I've never really been a W/J fan, she was okay at first but over the last series or so seems to have undergone a personality transplant, I don't understand her reasoning. There was no way that she could be sure William would even see the letter, let alone have time to respond to it and to marry someone else because he didn't come rushing into the church and rescue her? Perhaps she's read one too many romance novels?
I can however understand what William did. He's always had an innate sense of right and wrong, with no room for compromise, and to find out that he'd inadvertently ruined someone's life would be too much for him. Giving up his own happiness to right that wrong would be totally in character - a sort of penance if you will and he's not responsible for Julia's petulance, she is.
As to the final scene, if there is a season 5, I could see Brackenreid covering for him somehow so that he doesn't lose his job. Was Ava put into the same cell that William occupied? If she was then Brackenreid could always say that there was something wrong with the door locking mechanism which allowed them both to escape. He's the only one who knows that William was in the building at the time and if Brackenreid put his own career on the line to save him then he could hardly confess the truth and get them both fired.
Just my two-penneth.
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Post by camilla on May 11, 2011 9:55:22 GMT
I agree Akarana..i don't know if we can have a 5th season after this season finale..but i don't know why we can't have an happy ending.why the producers haven't give to' us an happy ending?i hate this!i know it's only a show but when you follow a show for years and like it enought to' become a fan i hate to' see these ends!a lot of shows do that but i always hope not the shows i love  |
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Post by lifeisridic on May 11, 2011 11:30:58 GMT
No, I don't think you can blame Julia more than William here. As usual they are equally to blame like they were in how S4 ended. William has had all series to tell Julia the truth to stop that wedding, one word and Julia would have stopped it. But as usual his constipated sense of morality stopped him doing the right thing. Ruby encouraged him and he ignored her. Brackenreid encouraged him and he ignored him. They told him it would be okay to try and he wouldn't. That is his fault and not Julia's. Time after time William is to blame for his own misery: The tv movies he wouldn't be with Etta because his morals wouldn't let him be with a prostitute, no matter how much he cared for her. So he lost a woman who loved him. He could have had the family he so desperately claims to want with the widow and her son in S4 but his morals wouldn't let him settle for second best, so he lost a SECOND woman who loved him. He could have had Anna but his sense of duty to his work wouldn't let him risk finding her after a safe period, a THIRD time he lost a woman who loved him. Julia it took him ages to even make a move, then he was too selfrightous about her abortion so she left and he didn't get off his ass fast enough to stop her. Then he stubbornly waited 6 months!! before trying to win her back only to find out she was engaged. He then let his morals yet again dictate that he wouldn't tell her his true feeling. Then finally when he had the chance of being with Julia he threw it away to save a murderer who was no matter how sympathetic still a murderer. This was done out of some sense of moral guilt on a preceived past wrong which wasn't really his doing to begin with. So he lost a FOURTH woman who loved him and who he loved back. Untill William gets the religious stick out his butt and stops acting like some self sacrificing saint then he won't be happy. He is the one who has thrown away happiness with 4!! different women since it all began. He doesn't need a hug he needs a kick up the pants. As for Julia she is equally to blame because she frustratingly caught a case of Williams guilt complex and couldn't break off the wedding to Darcy herself and expected William to do it. I can on one hand understand why as she didn't know if William still loved her as she had sent hints out all series which he had ignored. But she should never have married a man she didn't want to be with as it was unfair on all involved. Like I said last night the writers have made William and Julia look like fools and they are both to blame for the miserable mess they are in. Their characters in S4 were wishy washy and in the finale very badly written. Though we can't criticise Julia for only sending a letter, she wanted to see William and was as part of a stupid plot device unable to, so a letter was the only way she could try and contact him. George should have given him the letter sooner but of course the writers couldn't have that or have W/J actually speak for once  |
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Post by Lucy on May 11, 2011 12:00:13 GMT
I didn't realise there were so many women! I've never seen the TV movies does the series run on from them? Maybe I should watch them!
You make some very good points but I would have thought that when she knew that he was going to propose it would make her snap out of it. Then again he could have gone to her but I can understand why he wouldn't want to 'crash the wedding'.
I would prefer to stay by myself than to marry a man who I don't really love.
Ruby needs to bang their heads together!
All I know is that it's soooo frustrating!!
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Post by lifeisridic on May 11, 2011 12:18:42 GMT
Yes, the show is a follow on from the tv movie as William in S1 tells George when he first met Julia and he mentions a movie case where he did infact meet her.
Ruby should have stopped the wedding lol. I was surprised we didn't get Ruby trying to.
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Post by Lucy on May 11, 2011 12:54:46 GMT
Yeah my Mom said "Oh, Ruby will stop it!" aha nope
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on May 11, 2011 15:08:51 GMT
Ahh!!! my day is ruined! there's no way that whole episode was a dream. writers, were you tripping when you wrote this?
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Post by actonkat on May 11, 2011 15:43:08 GMT
Too disappointed for words. They gave every indication, at the expense of the "mysteries" this season, that all would work out well for W/J. Only God knows what these writers were thinking but whatever their goal, I consider it misguided at the very least. They broke our hearts.
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Post by kaybee on May 11, 2011 16:04:22 GMT
What an episode! I have to say, in spite of the outcome, I thought it was a very well-done episode, very entertaining. It also moved me to tears at the end, which is tough considering I'd read most of the thread on this episode before watching it. (I was too eager to find out if the wedding went off).
I don't think the ending necessarily means no season 5....but I do think that if season 5 was already a done deal, they might have used one of the other endings they supposedly taped. If there is no season 5, then things are somewhat wrapped up. If there is a season 5, as I believe there will be, there are a wealth of possibilities.
I definitely think this episode holds true to the character of William, in that he tries to right an old wrong at great personal expense. (The self-flagellation of the priest in Voices would probably have been easier!) And, it shows just how good a person he is, even if by today's standards it makes him seem stupid....he truly is a throwback to more chivalrous times.
Julia will have the benefit of being married to a man who loves her, even while she knows that her "true love" did love her enough to sacrifice having children for her. I fully understand her not wanting to stop a marriage to a man she loved "enough", who she knew loved her, on the off chance that words written a year earlier still held true. I think it unrealistic to suppose that she should have called off the wedding without knowing for sure that his sentiments were unchanged, given the number of opportunities he had had to indicate that.
Funnily enough, Ruby turned out to be the more romantic of the Ogden sisters!
I'm not sure how the writers will get around William's having let Ava Moon escape, but I have faith that they can, given the chance. I don't think it will be a dream...I'd find it easier to believe that Brackenreid would help him cover it up!
However it's done, I can only hope it won't be long before we hear that season 5 has been ordered. I really think the holdup is due to the delayed showing in Canada. It would be tough to order another season before the current season is even shown in the country that produces it!
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Post by cpfan on May 11, 2011 17:29:15 GMT
I am so glad that I'm not the only one who actually liked this episode, though the end still was a shock to me. Since somebody mentioned that the producers would like to film 8 seasons I guess they already had continuity plans for each ending they filmed. My favorite version would be Backenreid supporting William and not telling anybody about what he did, but who knows, if not, maybe a prolonged suspension of 6 months would work and the first episode of season 5 could also be the first William comes back to work, but I really don't know how likely that would be.
Either way, I would have loved to know more about Julias reason to marry Darcy other her claiming to love him. I never thought of her as somebody who'd be satisfied with a replacement and Darcy cleary isn't more than that.
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Post by chopina on May 11, 2011 17:42:37 GMT
Yes, the show is a follow on from the tv movie as William in S1 tells George when he first met Julia and he mentions a movie case where he did infact meet her. hi!  Lifeisridic, where can I find these episodes (or movies?)? please help me. sorry for my poor English, I'm Hungarian.. thanks! |
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Post by lifeisridic on May 11, 2011 18:22:39 GMT
The movies are out on dvd in R1 format and they are also available for download on some torrent sites. Look up the names of the movies if you are downloading.
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Post by Marina on May 11, 2011 18:26:57 GMT
Hi, chopina! May I answer for you? You can find them by torrent searchers. If you can't find, send a message. About the link - my mistake, won't happen again. There are 3 movies. If you don't know how to use them and want link on something like depositfiles - then I can't help, sorry |
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Post by akarana on May 11, 2011 19:40:20 GMT
I would NOT post these links here if you don't want to get in trouble or get the owner in trouble.
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