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Post by Lucy on May 11, 2011 20:20:55 GMT
Thanks for removing the link Marina  |
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Post by Marina on May 11, 2011 20:34:13 GMT
You are welcome, Lucy  As for the season's finale and my impression of it - I really enjoyed part about party, it was wonderful. Higgins taunting George about his book made me laugh Will write about last part of it after I can show episode to my sister (waiting for subs, difficult to translate by ear). I want to observe her reaction ;D |
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Post by chopina on May 11, 2011 20:54:25 GMT
thank you both for your help! I found it.  |
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Post by petunia on May 13, 2011 3:49:22 GMT
I finally got around to watching the finale episode tonight. Only one word: Wow!!!! I am left with the impression that the writers had too much material for just one episode. It seems to me that a few additional scenes would have made the whole William/Julia part of the episode more palatable. Back at the party, Julia seemed somehow dis-interested that her "true love" as she called William in "Bloodlust" was passed out in a bedroom upstairs. A short scene showing her looking in on him would have gone a long way in making her look a lot better than she now does. The same thing about her famous letter. They should have had a scene of her trying to talk to William while he was in prison, trying to get her letter to him. However, constables on duty would prevent her from talking or even giving William her letter. Her looking at the door during her marriage ceremony certainly proves that she was still hoping William would show up and stop the whole thing. As for next year, I am hopeful that the writers will somehow find a way to re-kindle the William/Julia romance. I think introducing a new love interest for William would be useless at this point. The time they would have to spend on this new character would only take time away from the characters us fans love: William, Julia, George, Brackenried and Higgins. There is only so much you can put in 45 minutes. I really hope they use the "Desperate Housewives" approach and start season five 2 or 3 years later after season 4 ended. This would allow time for Julia's marriage to fall apart and it would also give time for the writers to re-instate William as a detective. This would set the stage for a new chapter in the William/Julia relationship. After seeing the last scene of Bloodlust, it is not a big stretch to say that Julia would be open to some kind of affair. I also think William has changed since season one. He has broken the rules a few times now and I keep thinking back to the scene with Guillaume in Monsieur Murdoch. When Guillaume explains that Julia would make a perfect mistress, William is at first shocked. However after Guillaume explains what he means, Williams ends the scene with a "worth thinking about it" look on his face. Hopefully, the writers would find a way to get rid of Darcy at some point. My last comment has to do with the way CityTV has treated us here in Canada regarding the start of this series. End of May to start the series?  Get real folks. This is Canada. We only get a few short weeks of summer. We do not spend it watching TV. At least, I don't. I think starting the season at the end of May assures CityTv bad ratings. If they were trying to kill this series, they could not do any better. I think the production company should look for another broadcaster. |
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Post by hannikan on May 13, 2011 5:40:23 GMT
" (Anyone else find it odd that William not only wrote down the proposal, but also signed a date to it?! What did he want to do? Send it to her at the train station?!)"
I think it was just that the receipt he wrote it on as scratch paper was stamped with that date already. I noticed that and thought that doesn't mean he wrote it a year ago (although he probably did). It could have been an old receipt.
"I have respect for William's decision, I reject Julia's way of handling things and I really don't understand why the writers set up this season to break William and Julia up for good. They were the main reason why I watched this show and in a way the end of this season would set a (sad) end to the show, But everything would be wrapped up. So I am not sure that this means there will be a season 5. Having William storm into the church last minute and causing a scene, then ending with a cliffhanger would have been much more promising."
I agree with everything you said but I don't think it means they won't get back together nor that the chances of a S5 are low. I think they're high actually (see my update of S5 post).
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Post by akarana on May 13, 2011 7:11:02 GMT
I will Another question: Was it even possible back then in Canada to get a divorce? And if yes, how much social pressure where the women under? Julia is already "the odd one out", but with a divorce... Yickes. |
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Post by petruck on May 13, 2011 7:33:20 GMT
Murdoch is Catholic, even if she would risk her career and her social standing to get a divorce, he'd never be able to accept it.
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Post by akarana on May 13, 2011 7:36:59 GMT
Well, he accepted that she's not a virgin, he accepted that she had an abortion, so I think when it comes to Julia he is able to accept pretty much everything. I mean, even when he met the gay men in one episode it threw him a bit and in the end he questioned his believes... I think he's a bit more flexible when it comes to others and his believes |
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Post by camilla on May 13, 2011 13:41:37 GMT
Well, he accepted that she's not a virgin, he accepted that she had an abortion, so I think when it comes to Julia he is able to accept pretty much everything. I mean, even when he met the gay men in one episode it threw him a bit and in the end he questioned his believes... I think he's a bit more flexible when it comes to others and his believes good point! |
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Post by petruck on May 13, 2011 14:29:49 GMT
Well, he accepted that she's not a virgin, he accepted that she had an abortion, so I think when it comes to Julia he is able to accept pretty much everything. I mean, even when he met the gay men in one episode it threw him a bit and in the end he questioned his believes... I think he's a bit more flexible when it comes to others and his believes I totally agree that he's a lot more accepting than a staunch catholic of the time would be, and it truly is because of her, and his own sense of honor and fairness. But the Catholic church was very firm on their stand on divorce, he would have to take a huge step away from his religion to become involved with a divorced woman, and in the end he would not be able to marry her in church... However this is just my opinion and as we can see the writers seem to have their own ideas there, so maybe... ;D |
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Post by renaissancegirl on May 13, 2011 15:59:27 GMT
Petunia mentioned something that had been bothering me about the episode:
"Back at the party, Julia seemed somehow dis-interested that her "true love" as she called William in "Bloodlust" was passed out in a bedroom upstairs."
I found it quite odd myself. She's a doctor, so wouldn't she have found it odd that he was acting strangely and feeing so ill and look into the matter, rather than letting him pass out on the bed without checking in on him even once? Her behaviour didn't make any sense to me. Any theories?
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Post by renaissancegirl on May 13, 2011 18:58:42 GMT
Petunia mentioned something that had been bothering me about the episode: "Back at the party, Julia seemed somehow dis-interested that her "true love" as she called William in "Bloodlust" was passed out in a bedroom upstairs." I found it quite odd myself. She's a doctor, so wouldn't she have found it odd that he was acting strangely and feeing so ill and look into the matter, rather than letting him pass out on the bed without checking in on him even once? Her behaviour didn't make any sense to me. Any theories? Interesting that Murdoch, Julia and Ruby arrived together at the party, but don't leave together too... Either the writers were not being fluid, or something is amiss! |
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Post by kaybee on May 13, 2011 19:12:18 GMT
I hadn't considered it before, but you're quite right - it was very out of character for Julia to only look in once at William, and even more so not to insist on seeing him home since he wasn't feeling well. (After all, she showed up at his room in the middle of the night to check out the girl in Bloodlust). I would think it far more in character for her to see him home, and then either stay to watch over him or check in on him first thing in the morning. As it is, Julia comes off as extremely shallow, wanting to enjoy the party more than worrying about him.
I do like the concept of starting season 5 a couple of years down the road, with Murdoch reinstated as a detective, and perhaps Darcy falling ill - or murdered by the grief-stricken parent of a child he was unable to save?
Regardless, Iden Ford seems confident there will be a season 5, with writers already working on stories for it, so they'll have to come up with something! I personally think the only holdup is the fact that the program has yet to begin airing season 4 in Canada.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on May 13, 2011 19:28:34 GMT
I do like the concept of starting season 5 a couple of years down the road, with Murdoch reinstated as a detective, and perhaps Darcy falling ill - or murdered by the grief-stricken parent of a child he was unable to save?
LMAO! but seriously, the only way WJ can get back together is if Darcy dies, so i hope your theory comes true! unless, they lamely somehow say the wedding wasn't legal and they never actually got married. or i suppose the other option could be that Julia never told Darcy that she can't have children and he might divorce her for that.
also, how do you make those boxes surround something you want to quote?
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Post by hannikan on May 13, 2011 20:21:24 GMT
It would have been much more socially acceptable that Darcy leave Julia because men could divorce women but not vice versa. Although in Canada divorce was not legal even into the 20th century. Canadians went into the U.S. to acquire divorces. But the social repercussions of abandoning a marriage (just leaving) were not as high for a man as for a woman as long as he could accuse the woman of wrongdoing. Women could not testify in court then so everything was based on the husband's and any other man involved's POV. Men could hide their marital status and start over under a new identity (with or w/o going by a different name). Esp someone like Darcy who wasn't even from Canada could take off more easily (ie: go back to the U.S.) and start over without people knowing he was married. Of course, his family would know but they could hide that information to protect him. Darcy could claim that he had proof that Julia still had feelings for William and use that as grounds for abandoning the marriage. Or if Julia never told Darcy she couldn't have children, he could use that as grounds to leave, too. Both would easily hold up in a court of law.
That's why I suggest that Darcy will leave Julia after she insists on speaking to William after finding out why he didn't come to the church. When she finds out about Ava and the reason that William was determined to help her escape, Julia will understand and admire him. Darcy will continue to see him as a criminal who helped a murderer escape. Tension will build between Darcy and Julia until he finally gives up on the marriage.
I agree with those who say that Julia didn't give William enough opportunity to speak to her after she found out about the proposal. She left the note on George's typewriter! And back at the beginning of S4 she told William that she could never renew their relationship because she was engaged to Darcy. So that's why he never spoke of it again, she told him not to. I understand though that she felt unsure that he still wanted to marry her since the note was old, although he could have just written it on an old receipt. Still if she continued to want to marry William, she should not have married Darcy. It made her seem like she was just desperate to get married, and that's not Julia at all. It's not fair to Darcy either. But that marriage will not last in one way or another.
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Get real folks. This is Canada. We only get a few short weeks of summer. We do not spend it watching TV. At least, I don't. I think starting the season at the end of May assures CityTv bad ratings. If they were trying to kill this series, they could not do any better. I think the production company should look for another broadcaster. 
