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Post by CosmicCavalcade on May 13, 2011 21:28:34 GMT
I understand though that she felt unsure that he still wanted to marry her since the note was old, although he could have just written it on an old receipt.
i don't think he just wrote it on an old receipt, i think he wrote that way back before she left to go to Buffalo. i swear at the end of season 3 when they teased us with the scene of William proposing to Julia that he said something very similar to what was written. though i can't be positive, so i should check it out.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on May 13, 2011 21:29:12 GMT
seriously, how do you make those boxes show up?
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on May 13, 2011 21:38:00 GMT
okay, this is what he says specifically, "As long as you exist in this world, there will be no other woman for me. We can adopt, so many children need a good home. All i need is you. Julia Ogden will you marry me." so it's not exactly what was written but pretty close.
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on May 13, 2011 21:40:42 GMT
hey, that's weird, i just watched the rest of that scene and the ring was blue. but i swear it was red in the S4 finale. maybe they changed it because the red one was lot prettier.
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Post by hannikan on May 13, 2011 21:52:54 GMT
hey, that's weird, i just watched the rest of that scene and the ring was blue. but i swear it was red in the S4 finale. maybe they changed it because the red one was lot prettier. Yeah it was blue in S3 but then Darcy's ring to Julia was blue so they changed William's in S4 to red. It was a flub on the part of the props people. I'm not saying he did write it later. We know he wrote it in S3 when he was preparing to propose in person/verbally. But Julia only saw the old paper and assumed he had written it when the paper was stamped. It didn't necessarily have to be so. To quote someone all you do is hit the quote button in the post/reply you want to quote and that text will show up in your post. |
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Post by petunia on May 13, 2011 21:54:44 GMT
I know I keep going on and on about season 5 starting a couple of years after the end of season four, but it seems to me like it is the only way to show Julia's marriage falling apart. I think it would be too contrived for her marriage to start having trouble right off the bat. It seems from Julia's letter that she is committed to make her marriage to Darcy work. One would think that this commitment should last more than just a few weeks. It would be like her return from Buffalo. It was too quick in my opinion and felt somewhat too 'arranged'. But two years later is a different story.
The writers have made Julia very undecisive in season 5. She goes to Buffalo, she comes back. She loves Darcy, but lusts after William ect..... She marries Darcy, then wants to leave him right away. That seems wrong to me. I still think her and William do belong together, but Julia has been shown as a women of integrity. She did come clean to William on both her abortion and her infertility. Once would think she would feel obliged to give Darcy more than just a handful of weeks of happy marriage.
A span of two years would also allow the writers to come up with a way to get William back as a detective. Maybe his punishment was to be downgraded back to Constable to another station house so him and Julia hardly see each other in that period? Now two years after being a constable, he gets a promotion to detective and is back at station 4. William and Julia are thrown together again. Julia after two years, realizes that her marriage to Darcy was a mistake and now she sees William on a daily basis again.......
One last comment. As a catholic I had to take a marriage preparation course before getting married. I seem to remember from the course that the Catholic church does not recognize marriages contracted in other faith. Julia one would think being from a rich Toronto family is from a Protestant faith and would not have been married in a catholic church. So while she is married legally, she is not married according to the Catholic church.
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Post by hannikan on May 13, 2011 22:27:35 GMT
I know I keep going on and on about season 5 starting a couple of years after the end of season four, but it seems to me like it is the only way to show Julia's marriage falling apart. I think it would be too contrived for her marriage to start having trouble right off the bat. It seems from Julia's letter that she is committed to make her marriage to Darcy work. One would think that this commitment should last more than just a few weeks. It would be like her return from Buffalo. It was too quick in my opinion and felt somewhat too 'arranged'. But two years later is a different story. The writers have made Julia very undecisive in season 5. She goes to Buffalo, she comes back. She loves Darcy, but lusts after William ect..... She marries Darcy, then wants to leave him right away. That seems wrong to me. I still think her and William do belong together, but Julia has been shown as a women of integrity. She did come clean to William on both her abortion and her infertility. Once would think she would feel obliged to give Darcy more than just a handful of weeks of happy marriage. A span of two years would also allow the writers to come up with a way to get William back as a detective. Maybe his punishment was to be downgraded back to Constable to another station house so him and Julia hardly see each other in that period? Now two years after being a constable, he gets a promotion to detective and is back at station 4. William and Julia are thrown together again. Julia after two years, realizes that her marriage to Darcy was a mistake and now she sees William on a daily basis again....... One last comment. As a catholic I had to take a marriage preparation course before getting married. I seem to remember from the course that the Catholic church does not recognize marriages contracted in other faith. Julia one would think being from a rich Toronto family is from a Protestant faith and would not have been married in a catholic church. So while she is married legally, she is not married according to the Catholic church. Yeah I think your idea for having the marriage fall apart might work, too. I have a hard time seeing them not show the impact of William's decision on his career so it's been hard for me to picture them making it be years later. But maybe he will be demoted to constable (and George become detective!  I'm married to someone who is Catholic and I was raised Protestant. As I understand it, the Catholic Church does recognize marriages outside the Catholic Church as valid marriages, just not Catholic marriages. I do think that William would struggle with the idea of getting married to someone who had divorced or where the marriage was abandoned by one or both members. Perhaps he won't agree to marry her down the road unless she agrees to get her marriage to Darcy annulled. Someone said they thought that William might be open to having an affair now. I do not think so. I don't think Julia would either even if she felt some temptation to. I don't think the writers would take the show in that direction. |
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Post by kaybee on May 13, 2011 23:25:34 GMT
Hannikan wrote
I agree with this - there's no way I can see William having an affair, and I don't think Julia would either.
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Post by flip18 on May 14, 2011 6:42:46 GMT
Bigamy was fairly common in Victorian times wasn't it? Maybe they'll have Darcy be a bigamist and so his marriage to Julia is not legal? He did seem pretty keen to up sticks from Buffalo, maybe his 'love for Julia' wasn't the only reason? |
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Post by petruck on May 14, 2011 9:29:35 GMT
There is one thing... someone on the Alibi boards posted that they "read somewhere" that the writers were not sure if they wanted to start the next episode with Murdoch in the jail or Julia in the church. How true or reliable that is I have no idea it's questionable because he/she did not give any links or reply to the request for links... however there is one possibility that I can come up with. Julia is married yes, but it's not set until it's consummated, which means that she can stop it at any time before she leaves that church and it will be annulled. (Information I got from reading far far too many Barbara Cartland's as a teenager  ) |
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Post by petruck on May 14, 2011 9:39:15 GMT
Hannikan wrote I agree with this - there's no way I can see William having an affair, and I don't think Julia would either. hmmm The writers keep going on about there going to be some changes in the next season. Even Maureen Jennings hubby said things were going to be shaken up. After everything that has happened in S4 I wonder if those changes are going to be in Murdoch himself. He's just committed a crime, which for him is an ENORMOUS step, his faith has got to be shaken down to the bones with his sister choosing to die in solitude instead of spending what is left of her time with him. Something that must hurt him, no matter how faithful he is. Perhaps all this will affect his phenomenal conviction in right and wrong and we see a Murdoch loosing control for the first time? Perhaps being carried away by something neither of them can stop? And I keep coming back to Darcy's statement that he would fight for her to the extreme... why would the writers put that in there if Murdoch is not even going to raise a whimper in response? |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on May 14, 2011 14:06:34 GMT
Julia is married yes, but it's not set until it's consummated, which means that she can stop it at any time before she leaves that church and it will be annulled. you make an excellent point. i wonder why i never thought of this possibility. maybe it was because i figured she wouldn't find out about Murdoch either being in jail again or on suspension until after her honeymoon. BTW was it ever mentioned if they were actually going on a honeymoon? |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on May 14, 2011 14:14:16 GMT
Hannikan wrote I agree with this - there's no way I can see William having an affair, and I don't think Julia would either. hmmm The writers keep going on about there going to be some changes in the next season. Even Maureen Jennings hubby said things were going to be shaken up. After everything that has happened in S4 I wonder if those changes are going to be in Murdoch himself. He's just committed a crime, which for him is an ENORMOUS step, his faith has got to be shaken down to the bones with his sister choosing to die in solitude instead of spending what is left of her time with him. Something that must hurt him, no matter how faithful he is. Perhaps all this will affect his phenomenal conviction in right and wrong and we see a Murdoch loosing control for the first time? Perhaps being carried away by something neither of them can stop? And I keep coming back to Darcy's statement that he would fight for her to the extreme... why would the writers put that in there if Murdoch is not even going to raise a whimper in response? This would be totally awesome! well not for Murdoch so much but for the viewers. it's been fun seeing him loosen up a bit in a few episodes, notably S3's premier. but that only happened because he wasn't himself. so if he looses control, maybe he'll finally fight for Julia at some point, so Darcy's statement will actually come into play. |
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Post by hannikan on May 14, 2011 18:05:44 GMT
Honeymoons were not common practice yet at this time. But it's possible they'll go on one since they are quite well off. The reason it wasn't common yet was that the average couple didn't have the resources to travel, which was very expensive, but Julia and Darcy do. I was also thinking that we saw Julia say "I do" but not Darcy. Theoretically, something could happen before he says his vow. But I think traditionally, the man says his vow before the woman so maybe that was implied. Maybe William will have to go back to logging for awhile! I wonder if in the turmoil related to his job being in jeopardy, William's father will reemerge. |
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Post by CosmicCavalcade on May 14, 2011 19:16:33 GMT
oh, i didn't know that but it makes sense. yeah, i was also of the opinion that the man usually says i do first so i never considered there was any time to stop them still. but we can still hope!
Ooh, i'd love to see William in some other kind of clothing. loggers are hot! haha, only a Canadian wood think that.
yeah, i also think it would be interesting to see Harry again. If William gets into some serious trouble with Brakenreid and gets suspended, then he might run into Harry if he ended up at a bar or something. Harry might try to help William get back on his feet and they might even get on better terms by the time William gets reinstated.
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I'm married to someone who is Catholic and I was raised Protestant. As I understand it, the Catholic Church does recognize marriages outside the Catholic Church as valid marriages, just not Catholic marriages. I do think that William would struggle with the idea of getting married to someone who had divorced or where the marriage was abandoned by one or both members. Perhaps he won't agree to marry her down the road unless she agrees to get her marriage to Darcy annulled. Someone said they thought that William might be open to having an affair now. I do not think so. I don't think Julia would either even if she felt some temptation to. I don't think the writers would take the show in that direction. 
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