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Post by Lucy on Sept 3, 2009 11:05:16 GMT
Original air date - 31st March 2009
While chasing a suspect Murdoch falls breaking several broken bones and causing a gash on his arm. Dr. Ogden looks after him while he is bedridden but leaves when Enid arrives. Mrs. Kitchen leaves to look after her sick sister when Murdoch starts to hear strange noises. He can't quite figure out where it's coming from. When he takes a turn for the worst Enid asks Julia for help. While Murdoch is recovering Crabtree takes over the investigation as acting Detective. He finds the crime scene and starts to believe that the only witness is a talking parrot.
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Post by snacky on Apr 10, 2014 23:20:06 GMT
Who else thinks the "why can't we always be like this" dream is based on a memory rather than a fantasy?  |
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Post by snacky on Apr 13, 2014 19:31:00 GMT
Or this could suggest William has such an active fantasy life about Julia that he doesn't realize that he's not actually interacting with the real Julia - hence the eons that go by before William realizes there's a problem or does anything to try to resolve it.
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Post by monty151 on Dec 22, 2014 7:19:19 GMT
Saw Convalescence last night. When William was having his dream Julia's hair was down whereas Enid was all prim and proper. I think that this tells us that William does not see Enid as a lover but as a mother to his children. If William had married Enid he would definitely have either a) died of boredom or b) have an affair with Julia.
My husband who has never seen the episode before said "she did it" when Enid walked into the room. He clearly sees her as the baddie.
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Post by snacky on Dec 22, 2014 9:05:33 GMT
Saw Convalescence last night. When William was having his dream Julia's hair was down whereas Enid was all prim and proper. I think that this tells us that William does not see Enid as a lover but as a mother to his children. If William had married Enid he would definitely have either a) died of boredom or b) have an affair with Julia. My husband who has never seen the episode before said "she did it" when Enid walked into the room. He clearly sees her as the baddie. In some other threads we have joked that Enid has "crazy eyes". I'm not sure why. She didn't do anything to earn fan ire. She is only interested in finding a stable, satisfying relationship and protecting her son. She hasn't done anything wrong. William is a free agent at that point. Yet there is something about her eyes that seem...crazy.  William wasn't sure how to feel about all her mothering, either: comforted or smothered. Good point about Julia's hair being down. Thoughout the series Julia (like Anna) has represented the opportunity to express uninhibited passion, against the constrictive rules of Victorian morality and stuffy bureaucracy (and William's personal hangups). |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 23, 2014 16:30:36 GMT
Who else thinks the "why can't we always be like this" dream is based on a memory rather than a fantasy? I've gone back and forth, and ultimately, I've decided that it's a fantasy, as every other dream sequence was a hallucination. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 23, 2014 16:34:32 GMT
Saw Convalescence last night. When William was having his dream Julia's hair was down whereas Enid was all prim and proper. I think that this tells us that William does not see Enid as a lover but as a mother to his children. If William had married Enid he would definitely have either a) died of boredom or b) have an affair with Julia. My husband who has never seen the episode before said "she did it" when Enid walked into the room. He clearly sees her as the baddie. I think this, combined with his reciting erotic poetry while thinking of Julia (Song of Solomon) definitely shows that William is making a clear distinction between the two women. Julia is a lover, Enid is housekeeper with sexual benefits. This is a distinction William from the books makes as well. |
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Post by bookworm1225 on Dec 23, 2014 17:01:45 GMT
Saw Convalescence last night. When William was having his dream Julia's hair was down whereas Enid was all prim and proper. I think that this tells us that William does not see Enid as a lover but as a mother to his children. If William had married Enid he would definitely have either a) died of boredom or b) have an affair with Julia. My husband who has never seen the episode before said "she did it" when Enid walked into the room. He clearly sees her as the baddie. I think this, combined with his reciting erotic poetry while thinking of Julia (Song of Solomon) definitely shows that William is making a clear distinction between the two women. Julia is a lover, Enid is housekeeper with sexual benefits. This is a distinction William from the books makes as well. And yet, in the show, they took pains to set Enid up as a more worthy love interest than just as a housekeeper, I think. Remember, she *made* a telescope for Alwyn, which showed she has intelligence and a willingness to learn about science. And in the next episode, 'Murdoch.com,' her first instinct to help her explain to them the workings of the telegraph system was... to draw on the blackboard. Just like William. |
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Post by Hodge on Dec 23, 2014 18:43:18 GMT
Who else thinks the "why can't we always be like this" dream is based on a memory rather than a fantasy? I've gone back and forth, and ultimately, I've decided that it's a fantasy, as every other dream sequence was a hallucination. This obviously wasn't a dream as a dream sequence immediately followed and whilst everyone, including hubby, sees this as a fantasy I've often wondered, was it really? Would William fantasize about Julia telling him to find someone else which is clearly the message in the scene. I guess you could argue that he was fantasizing about Julia giving him permission to have a relationship with Enid but I'm not so sure. Update! I found the key to the fantasy sequences, it's in the music and the music in this scene is very different. I think this may have actually happened!! It could be where William gets his memory of Julia in underwear in The Murdoch Identity. |
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Post by snacky on Dec 24, 2014 7:14:40 GMT
Who else thinks the "why can't we always be like this" dream is based on a memory rather than a fantasy? I've gone back and forth, and ultimately, I've decided that it's a fantasy, as every other dream sequence was a hallucination. Darn something through me off the virgin theory wagon and I forgot what it was. Did you read my posts about the Goncourt Journals and how they kind of negate the whole idea of Catholic guilt over premarital sex during the late 19th c.? When you wipe that piece out, that leaves only William's prudence, concern not to burden himself with a family too soon or out of wedlock, concern about STDs, and simple shyness/introversion. I also feel the during the Carriage Talk, William had an expression of "puh-lease...". But of course that was years later. Of course William is also perfectly capable of completely constructing a fantasy love life in lieu of having one so that he forgets to follow up on the real life situation...he could have been "remembering" a previous fantasy! |
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Post by snacky on Dec 24, 2014 7:21:21 GMT
Saw Convalescence last night. When William was having his dream Julia's hair was down whereas Enid was all prim and proper. I think that this tells us that William does not see Enid as a lover but as a mother to his children. If William had married Enid he would definitely have either a) died of boredom or b) have an affair with Julia. My husband who has never seen the episode before said "she did it" when Enid walked into the room. He clearly sees her as the baddie. I think this, combined with his reciting erotic poetry while thinking of Julia (Song of Solomon) definitely shows that William is making a clear distinction between the two women. Julia is a lover, Enid is housekeeper with sexual benefits. This is a distinction William from the books makes as well. I have to confess, though, I find the Song of Solomon totally tacky and sleazy, lol. Maybe it was more sexy in the 19th century before there was The Playboy Channel and more over porn. Also I don't particularly like the word "pleasure". Not because I'm so much like William that I've never had a good time. I just think that word had been so tainted by bad erotic pop culture (movies, magazines, fic, whatever) that it just evokes sleaze for me and not actual pleasure. I put the Song of Solomon in that category. William should have gone for some smexy post-Restoration poets, instead. Now that would have been unusual! |
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Post by snacky on Dec 24, 2014 7:24:53 GMT
I've gone back and forth, and ultimately, I've decided that it's a fantasy, as every other dream sequence was a hallucination. This obviously wasn't a dream as a dream sequence immediately followed and whilst everyone, including hubby, sees this as a fantasy I've often wondered, was it really? Would William fantasize about Julia telling him to find someone else which is clearly the message in the scene. I guess you could argue that he was fantasizing about Julia giving him permission to have a relationship with Enid but I'm not so sure. Update! I found the key to the fantasy sequences, it's in the music and the music in this scene is very different. I think this may have actually happened!! It could be where William gets his memory of Julia in underwear in The Murdoch Identity. Or...maybe it was some Jungian psychic process (anima?) instead of a dream. Or maybe it was William's latent psychic powers actually communicating with Julia at a subconscious level... I do agree it was something different than a dream. Not sure it was a straight-up memory, though. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 24, 2014 8:08:11 GMT
I've gone back and forth, and ultimately, I've decided that it's a fantasy, as every other dream sequence was a hallucination. Darn something through me off the virgin theory wagon and I forgot what it was. Did you read my posts about the Goncourt Journals and how they kind of negate the whole idea of Catholic guilt over premarital sex during the late 19th c.? When you wipe that piece out, that leaves only William's prudence, concern not to burden himself with a family too soon or out of wedlock, concern about STDs, and simple shyness/introversion. I also feel the during the Carriage Talk, William had an expression of "puh-lease...". But of course that was years later. Of course William is also perfectly capable of completely constructing a fantasy love life in lieu of having one so that he forgets to follow up on the real life situation...he could have been "remembering" a previous fantasy! I'm traveling right now, so I don't have access to eps right now to verify, but in my memory, season 3 Jilliam hints at a sexual relationship (or at least 3rd base). But once season 6 William tells her that they can only truly be together if they're married, it seems to hint that there's been no nookie between them, and gives credence to the virgin theory. Also, see sexually frustrated William in season 7-the boy was so horny he was about to grow horns. But if he had carnal knowledge of Julia prior to season 4, why does he not have relations with her in season 7? Season 6 is one thing-she was still married-and that was a line he wouldn't cross (although he danced on it by carrying on with a married woman in public) . Was it to show Julia that his intentions were honorable, and wouldn't "compromise" her? I agree reed that the carriage talk hints at annoyance, but explain his behavior in the brothel? To be honest, that's probably why Brax thought he was a virgin and that such a talk was even necessary. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 24, 2014 8:15:35 GMT
I think this, combined with his reciting erotic poetry while thinking of Julia (Song of Solomon) definitely shows that William is making a clear distinction between the two women. Julia is a lover, Enid is housekeeper with sexual benefits. This is a distinction William from the books makes as well. I have to confess, though, I find the Song of Solomon totally tacky and sleazy, lol. Maybe it was more sexy in the 19th century before there was The Playboy Channel and more over porn. Also I don't particularly like the word "pleasure". Not because I'm so much like William that I've never had a good time. I just think that word had been so tainted by bad erotic pop culture (movies, magazines, fic, whatever) that it just evokes sleaze for me and not actual pleasure. I put the Song of Solomon in that category. William should have gone for some smexy post-Restoration poets, instead. Now that would have been unusual! I don't know that I find the Song of Solomon sleazy, but I think its frank sexuality is startling to some folk-all the more so given it's in the Bible. I was going through my old Renaissance verse text from college a few weeks ago, and a lot of it was pretty frank and explicit as well-you just have to read it with a very pervy eye. So, I think a lot of romantic poetry is raunchier than we expect it to be. |
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Post by Fallenbelle on Dec 24, 2014 8:22:04 GMT
I think this, combined with his reciting erotic poetry while thinking of Julia (Song of Solomon) definitely shows that William is making a clear distinction between the two women. Julia is a lover, Enid is housekeeper with sexual benefits. This is a distinction William from the books makes as well. And yet, in the show, they took pains to set Enid up as a more worthy love interest than just as a housekeeper, I think. Remember, she *made* a telescope for Alwyn, which showed she has intelligence and a willingness to learn about science. And in the next episode, 'Murdoch.com,' her first instinct to help her explain to them the workings of the telegraph system was... to draw on the blackboard. Just like William. That's a good point-the TV show does set her up to be a worthy love interest from an intellectual perspective, but never very much from a romantic perspective. I think he was surprised and kinda turned on that she built a telescope, but ultimately I don't think he cared for the way she mothered him. Although, he did sleep with book Enid, and I keep wondering if he did the same with TV Enid. That might explain some of her pushiness with him. |
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